Black Hole may have been created in Lab

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It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.

His work has been published on the pre-print website arxiv.org and is reported in New Scientist magazine.

When the gold nuclei smash into each other they are broken down into particles called quarks and gluons.

These form a ball of plasma about 300 times hotter than the surface of the Sun. This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion, billionths of a second, can be detected because it absorbs jets of particles produced by the beam collisions.

But Nastase, of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, says there is something unusual about it.

Ten times as many jets were being absorbed by the fireball as were predicted by calculations.

The Brown researcher thinks the particles are disappearing into the fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation, just as matter is thought to fall into a black hole and come out as "Hawking" radiation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4357613.stm
 

shelaby

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its amazing that we know so much about this stuff, it would be cool to know about that stuff, but would take a long time
 

Baked

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Time to create a black hole just for garbage and death row immates.

Originally posted by: Yzzim
10 million, billion, billionths

What would that be if it were put into a decimal :confused:

Working on it, I'll get back to you on that.
 

gabemcg

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Point of Inquary....

How can a fireball 300 times hotter than the surface of the sun be contained??? Even if it is for a split second, would it not melt the entire containment facility?
 

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Originally posted by: Baked
Time to create a black hole just for garbage and death row immates.

Originally posted by: Yzzim
10 million, billion, billionths

What would that be if it were put into a decimal :confused:

Working on it, I'll get back to you on that.

LMAO. Garbage hole, it'll replace staten island.
 

edro

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Awesome... but if those assholes create a permanent black hole that destroys our solar system, ima be pissed!
 

Connoisseur

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Originally posted by: gabemcg
Point of Inquary....

How can a fireball 300 times hotter than the surface of the sun be contained??? Even if it is for a split second, would it not melt the entire containment facility?

Firstly, I believe the particles are projected and contained via an electromagnetic field. Thus, they do not actually touch any surface. Secondly, that actual temperature only lasted 10 million billion billionths of a second or something ridiculously small and it was only a couple particles. The actual amount of energy released is relatively small and the temp instantaneously dissipates in the air.
 

JeffCos

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Originally posted by: gabemcg
Point of Inquary....

How can a fireball 300 times hotter than the surface of the sun be contained??? Even if it is for a split second, would it not melt the entire containment facility?

I thought the same thing at first but then I realized that you can't feel the flame from a match (unless you're above it) until your finger is nearly in the flame. I don't think it matters how hot it is...It's so small that it may generate 80billion degrees in its core, but 5 feet away it's probably room temp.
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: Baked
Time to create a black hole just for garbage and death row immates.

Originally posted by: Yzzim
10 million, billion, billionths

What would that be if it were put into a decimal :confused:

Working on it, I'll get back to you on that.

.0000000000000000000000001 if my calculations are correct.
 

Connoisseur

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Originally posted by: edro13
Awesome... but if those assholes create a permanent black hole that destroys our solar system, ima be pissed!

I could be wrong, but I don't think it's physically possible to create a permanent black hole with just a couple of particles. Wouldn't the Schwarzschild radius be INSIDE the atom? Err, sorry if I sound nerdy. The Schwarzschild radius is just the radius for a given black hole from which light cannot escape. For instance, if our Sun were compressed into a black hole and if light approached within 3km of it, then it could not escape. So 3km would be Schwarzschild radius for the sun.
 

nakedfrog

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Didn't any of you watch Spiderman 2? It's the power of the sun in the palm of your hand!
 

edro

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Originally posted by: Connoisseur
Originally posted by: edro13
Awesome... but if those assholes create a permanent black hole that destroys our solar system, ima be pissed!

I could be wrong, but I don't think it's physically possible to create a permanent black hole with just a couple of particles. Wouldn't the Schwarzschild radius be INSIDE the atom? Err, sorry if I sound nerdy. The Schwarzschild radius is just the radius for a given black hole from which light cannot escape. For instance, if our Sun were compressed into a black hole and if light approached within 3km of it, then it could not escape. So 3km would be Schwarzschild radius for the sun.

I prefer the world, event horizon... because it is much easier to spell than Schwarzeneggerschild. :)

But no, it IS theoretically possible to create a black hole through particle acceleration, but the accelerators needed would be the size of a galaxy. (according to Brian Greene)