Black Coaches in N.B.A. Have Shorter Tenures

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Lorax
maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

Instead, they are "player's coaches", and while that works for awhile, it wears thin faster than solid fundamental coaching.

not necessarily true....many of the top white NBA coaches were NBA players as well.

phil jackson, larry brown, jerry sloan

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Lorax
maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

Instead, they are "player's coaches", and while that works for awhile, it wears thin faster than solid fundamental coaching.

Like Larry Brown?

 

[Anonemous]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Lorax
maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

Instead, they are "player's coaches", and while that works for awhile, it wears thin faster than solid fundamental coaching.

Like Larry Brown?

like phil jackson?

 

[Proletariat]

Apparently minorities can't complain about racism anymore. That has become taboo in itself. How far we have come!!!

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Apparently minorities can't complain about racism anymore. That has become taboo in itself. How far we have come!!!

no, they just have to be sure racism is truly at work or else they are in danger of diluting the impact of racism.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Anonemous

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Lorax
maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

Instead, they are "player's coaches", and while that works for awhile, it wears thin faster than solid fundamental coaching.

Like Larry Brown?

Like Phil Jackson?

Like Don Nelson?

 

[cw42]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Anonemous

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Lorax
maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

Instead, they are "player's coaches", and while that works for awhile, it wears thin faster than solid fundamental coaching.

Like Larry Brown?

Like Phil Jackson?

Like Don Nelson?

Like George Karl?

Like Rick Carlisle?

 

[PimpJuice]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Maybe because they don't win? I don't know I might be going out on a limb with that one.

Lots of coaches black and white dont win.......some of the coaches just dont get the time/opportunity to turn things around, and those coaches usually happen to be black in the NBA. They just have a shorter leash.

Things could be worse, at least theyre getting these jobs.

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: cw42

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Anonemous

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Lorax
maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

Instead, they are "player's coaches", and while that works for awhile, it wears thin faster than solid fundamental coaching.

Like Larry Brown?

Like Phil Jackson?

Like Don Nelson?

Like George Karl?

Like Rick Carlisle?

Like Rudy Tomjanavich?

Like Pat Riley?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: cw42

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Anonemous

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Lorax
maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

Instead, they are "player's coaches", and while that works for awhile, it wears thin faster than solid fundamental coaching.

Like Larry Brown?

Like Phil Jackson?

Like Don Nelson?

Like George Karl?

Like Rick Carlisle?

Like Rudy Tomjanavich?

Like Pat Riley?

May i be the first to point out that lorax = owned?

 

[Mucho]

To me black coaches seems to have it tougher in every sport. Take Cito Gaston here in Toronto even though he won two world series with the Blue Jays after he got fired he never got another manager job.

 

[KnickNut3]

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: cw42

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Anonemous

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Lorax
maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

Instead, they are "player's coaches", and while that works for awhile, it wears thin faster than solid fundamental coaching.

Like Larry Brown?

Like Phil Jackson?

Like Don Nelson?

Like George Karl?

Like Rick Carlisle?

Like Rudy Tomjanavich?

Like Pat Riley?

Like Jeff and Stan Van Gundy? (oops...)

 

[GasX]

In the case of Esiah Thomas, his short tenure will be because he sucks cawk as a coach...

 

[Koing]

Because they are not performing or they aren't getting the best out of their players.

Coaching a team in a top league in ANY sport is TOUGH. If you don't get results or show 'promise' your SCREWED.

Koing

 

[Lorax]

uh.. are you guys understanding me? most of the (white) coaches you all listed are known as masters of strategy and dissecting film. larry brown will never, ever, be known as a "player's coach". (and pjax and nellie... they are a class unto themselves)

name a black coach that is heralded as having a great grasp of how to adjust a gameplan for a specific opponent.

edit: and most white coaches typically start their coaching careers when they have had more coaching experience under their belt. pjax, rudy, slaon etc. were all slowly brought into the mix. black coaches, it seems like they essentially jump right from being a player into coaching. (nate mcmillan, avery johnson) No, i don't have any stats to back this up.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Lorax
uh.. are you guys understanding me? most of the (white) coaches you all listed are known as masters of strategy and dissecting film. larry brown will never, ever, be known as a "player's coach". (and pjax and nellie... they are a class unto themselves)

name a black coach that is heralded as having a great grasp of how to adjust a gameplan for a specific opponent.

Yeah, i'm sure that's what you meant:

maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

 

[Lorax]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Lorax
uh.. are you guys understanding me? most of the (white) coaches you all listed are known as masters of strategy and dissecting film. larry brown will never, ever, be known as a "player's coach". (and pjax and nellie... they are a class unto themselves)

name a black coach that is heralded as having a great grasp of how to adjust a gameplan for a specific opponent.

Yeah, i'm sure that's what you meant:

maybe it's because most black coaches were former players, so they're not as solid in the X and Os as white coaches (who usually have more coaching background).

i maybe have the former players point wrong, but i think the X and Os point is correct.

 

[classy]

Its not just one reason. First off for the last 15-20 years, more than a third of the NBA coaches were well established with great to good coaches, who deservedly so have earned the right to continue to coach in the NBA. That list inlcudes or included, Jackson, Riley, Rudy T., Sloan, Popovich, Karl, Jeff Van Gundy, Larry Brown, Adelman, Nelson, to name a handful off the top of my head. Interesting enough Lenny Wilkens was in that group as well. So when a third of the jobs are already held by successful coaches it makes the hiring process a little tougher. Now throw into the mix guys like Carlise, Bird for a stint, Scot Skiles is back doing a nice a job who also has had previous success and then the jobs become slim pickings. Many of those black coaches really sucked though honestly. Darrell Walker, Randy Aires, John Lucas, Fred Carter, Magic Johnson, Isiah as well, just aren't that good. Even Paul Silas like some of the white guys who aren't that good have been around the block as well. But Look at Doc Rivers, Byron Scott, and Maurice Cheeks, all 3 of them will take up 3 coaching spots the next 15-20 years if they want. Nate McMillan is doing ok, not a big fan of his but he's winning. But if you don't win regardless of your color you will be fired, its just that simple in the NBA. Look what Nelson just did. He handpicked his successor who is black, a former player just two years ago, who to the best of my knowledge has never coached basketball in his life. So the oppurtunities are there just aren't a lot of available places. And many high profile black college coaches have been courted by NBA teams, they just didn't want to leave the college ranks. Guys like John Thompson, John Chaney, and Tubby Smith has been rumored a few times as well. But the NBA weeds out bad coaches regardless. Just ask Rick Pitino and Chris Ford as well dozens more white coaches. I think the NBA is doing a good job of diversity. Now the NFL is totally different story, because the same bad white coaches keep getting hired over more than capable black assisstants who deserve the chance. I think the NBA is alright and getting better.