Black actors at the Oscars PART 2! WSJ Agrees with ME!

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Texmaster

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<< Oh so its always the creator of the thread that judges whether a thread is locked? LOL Oh man are you reaching. >>


Well of course not;)

But that still doesn't take away from his original comments in that thread and WHAT HE SAID which sparked the whole thing in the first place.


But you are going to sit here and tell me that his generalizations about blacks and their motives was not grounds for interrogation?
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He didn't say ALL blacks. He was talking about specific blacks. That is not bigotry and certainly not racism.

I dont like the NAACP, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton but that doesn't make me a racist.
 

docmanhattan

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<< i love how AaronP hasn't contributed for a long time. hehe....

/sits back to continue to enjoy the show.
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It is rather amusing isn't it?
Hello? AaronP? Are you here? Got anything to add? ;)
 

NFS4

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<< Oh so its always the creator of the thread that judges whether a thread is locked? LOL Oh man are you reaching. >>


Well of course not;)

But that still doesn't take away from his original comments in that thread and WHAT HE SAID which sparked the whole thing in the first place.


But you are going to sit here and tell me that his generalizations about blacks and their motives was not grounds for interrogation?
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He didn't say ALL blacks. He was talking about specific blacks. That is not bigotry and certainly not racism.

I dont like the NAACP, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton but that doesn't make me a racist.
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Well, if what he said wasn't so offensive, I guess it wouldn't have blown up like it did? ;)

Like I said, I don't normally mess with those threads b/c I don't like them. But what he said really lit a fire under my ass b/c what he said was so miscalculated and offensive IMHO. And Tex, I don't consider you a racist. I consider you an Oreillist :D
 

Texmaster

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<< Well, if what he said wasn't so offensive, I guess it wouldn't have blown up like it did? ;) >>



Oh come on NSF4, you have been around long enough to know that some people can turn anything into a flamefest. :)



<< Like I said, I don't normally mess with those threads b/c I don't like them. But what he said really lit a fire under my ass b/c what he said was so miscalculated and offensive IMHO. And Tex, I don't consider you a racist. I consider you an Oreillist :D >>



You would be correct my pithy friend! :D
 

AaronP

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:) sorry, I was working on a website in Frontpage.

I don't really have much to add, the point of my original post if I wasn't clear was just that I was sick of having it shoved down my throat. First off, its Whoopie's lame ass black jokes, and not just one or two of em, but a ton. Then its ONLY blacks in the Sidney Portiee video (couldn't they find any white people to say that they liked Portiee or didn't they look) then its Portiee's speech saying it was like the most significant racial moment in history, then Denzel saying the same stuff, then Halle Berry.....

It felt like the blacks had to keep reminding us that they're not just actors, they're black actors. The WSJ opinion piece articulates my opinion better than I could. At the end of the night, after 3.5 hours of being beaten over the head with it, I was SICK of hearing all this crap.

One other thing I noticed, Denzel commented that he hoped to be referred to as "actor" instead of "black actor" HOWEVER, in his acceptance speech, he himself called Anton Fuqua (the director of training day) an "up and coming young BLACK director."
 

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<< its the editorial page XXXXXX, not the newspapers standing on the issue. >>

 

NFS4

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<< Portiee's speech saying it was like the most significant racial moment in history >>


I don't recall Sidney saying that it was the most significant moment in racial history. He said it was a pivotal moment for blacks in FILM history for him to get a leading role and he thanked the people who gave him the opportunity.
 

Harvey

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Texmaster -- << pre-judging someone in an area where you have experienced negativity from a group of people is not racism. >>

Congratulations. You have just confirmed that you fit the definition of a racist. :|

<< I don't ever want to be that frustrated and stupid. >>

Sorry. Too late. :cool:

docmanhattan -- << Wow. You certainly know how to apologize.
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Glad you understood my meaning so well. ;)

HelloDeli -- << Yeah, Im racist also! Woohoo! :)

Harvey, you are a moron. >>


LOL! Based on your writing, I'm pretty sure I could subtract Texmaster's and your combined IQ's from mine and still be well above average.
 

docmanhattan

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<< Portiee's speech saying it was like the most significant racial moment in history >>


I don't recall Sidney saying that it was the most significant moment in racial history. He said it was a pivotal moment for blacks in FILM history for him to get a leading role and he thanked the people who gave him the opportunity.
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For reference: here are the speeches:

Portier
Denzel
Berry
I love this bit from Barry's speech:

<< My lawyers, Neil Meyer, thank you. Okay, wait a minute. I got to take 74 years here. I got to take this time. I got to thank my lawyer, Neil Meyer for making this deal,... >>



:)
 

MaxDepth

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<< and I grew up in a white neighborhood and had a white nanny. >>



Was she big, fat Fanny?
And was she a naughty nanny?









Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww, you gonna take me home tonight...
 

Red Dawn

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<< It felt like the blacks had to keep reminding us that they're not just actors, they're black actors. >>

And that bothered you because you are white? They can remind me all they want that they are Black actors, it doesn't bother me, why should it, becuase I'm white? I don't recall joining up for the Mighty Whitey Club where the rules are that I'm to become annoyed because someone other than a white person speaks up about their race.

You guys can't even mention Jesse Jackson without condemning the whole black race. If you recall, Racemaster posted that ludicrous thread where he stated that if the indivdual who was hit and left to die in the women's front window had been black and the women had been white , the Blacks would have come out of the woodwork led by ther "Reverend Jackson" claiming it was a Hate Crime. Without any provocation what so ever he started an Anti Black Thread just so he and the other ignorant morons who think like him could insult Jackson , the NAACP and Blacks in general for no other purpose than to express their hate towards the black race.

Then you guys act surprised when you are described exactly as you appear.
 

docmanhattan

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<< It felt like the blacks had to keep reminding us that they're not just actors, they're black actors. >>

And that bothered you because you are white? They can remind me all they want that they are Black actors, it doesn't bother me, why should it, becuase I'm white? I don't recall joining up for the Mighty Whitey Club where the rules are that I'm to become annoyed because someone other than a white person speaks up about their race.

You guys can't even mention Jesse Jackson without condemning the whole black race. If you recall, Racemaster posted that ludicrous thread where he stated that if the indivdual who was hit and left to die in the women's front window had been black and the women had been white , the Blacks would have come out of the woodwork led by ther "Reverend Jackson" claiming it was a Hate Crime. Without any provocation what so ever he started an Anti Black Thread just so he and the other ignorant morons who think like him could insult Jackson , the NAACP and Blacks in general for no other purpose than to express their hate towards the black race.

Then you guys act surprised when you are described exactly as you appear.
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How would people respond if when Jim Broadbent wonbest supporting he said, "I'd like to thank all the white actors and directors out there that made this possible for me?" It's sounds obsurd but I think it's a valid question. In AaronP's case, I think what he's saying is that he's tired of people feeling the need to make that distinction in the first place. At least that's what I'm gleaning from his posts. If not, then, well, then he's an idiot. :p :)
 

Red Dawn

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<< At least that's what I'm gleaning from his posts. If not, then, well, then he's an idiot. >>

He's an Idiot
 

ScottyB

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I was just about to say that docmanhattan. Alot of blacks would be spouting "Racism, racism. Why do whites have to show the dirfferences betwwen our peoples."
 

docmanhattan

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<< At least that's what I'm gleaning from his posts. If not, then, well, then he's an idiot. >>

He's an Idiot
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Well, I'm of the opinion that the distinction doesn't need to be made and in fact does a disservice to anyone who feels the need to marginalize themselves into a single dimension. Be it Black Actor, White Basketball Player, Gay Priest, Lesbian Lawyer, whatever. I suppose if that's how a person wants to be defined, in a single dimension, so be it, but they're limiting themselves by doing so, IMHO.

/shrug
 

Red Dawn

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<< suppose if that's how a person wants to be defined, in a single dimension, so be it, but they're limiting themselves by doing so >>

Fine, why can't they (Tex, Aaron and the others) say the same thing instead of Black this and Black that?
 

docmanhattan

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<< suppose if that's how a person wants to be defined, in a single dimension, so be it, but they're limiting themselves by doing so >>

Fine, why can't they (Tex, Aaron and the others) say the same thing instead of Black this and Black that?
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I don't know. Why don't you ask them? And how about you, Red Dawn? I know I've been guilty of doing that. I'm aware of it and I do try to avoid it though. Have you said Black this and Gay that? And I'm asking that more as a rhetorical question than anything else as most people are guilty of the samething. But I'm speaking more about identifying yourself by a single dimension, not someone else.
 

Red Dawn

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<< Have you said Black this and Gay that? >>

Yep I sure have. I also don't have a problem with the double standard that has been mentioned regarding Blacks being able to say what they've done as a Black Accomplishment but Whites not being able too. They can but they would sound like major Racists. Of course you can Blame the White Aryian Church, The KKK and the American Nazi Party for that situation.
 

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<< Have you said Black this and Gay that? >>

Yep I sure have. I also don't have a problem with the double standard that has been mentioned regarding Blacks being able to say what they've done as a Black Accomplishment but Whites not being able too. They can but they would sound like major Racists. Of course you can Blame the White Aryian Church, The KKK and the American Nazi Party for that situation.
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Interesting. So you think there's a double standard.

Like I said earlier, I just don't think it helps a person; regardless of race, creed, or sex; to identify themselves in one single way. Whatever, I'm starting to get repetative here. Sorry.

<-------- /time to go home.
 

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looks like everyone missed a very important detail in Tunku Varadarajan's bio that ThisIsMatt quoted. he is from India. that means he is not white! an indian friend tells me that from his last name, he seems south indian, which means that there is a very good chance that his skin color (as if it matters in 2002) is blacker than that of many african-americans. so we can safely assume that this guy is not black or white. what race does that make him? don't say asian, because that will make people think of someone who would have been called 'oriental' before. don't call him an arab either, because indians are not arabs and south indians don't look anything like arabs anyways. so why should he care if whitey got left out?

i firmly believe that in america the only color that matters is green. if you don't believe me, come live in silicon valley for a while. you will forget all this black and white and red and yellow and brown and sh*t. the only color you will respect is green.
 

classy

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I just don't get it. Denzel is flat out one of the best actors in Hollywood period. His movies Soldier Story, Hurricane, Crimson Tide, and Pelican Brief are just a few off the top of my head that I believe should have earned him an Oscar. He's that good, plain and simple. Halle Berry has been way under appreciated as an actor. Her beauty over shadows the fact, the girl can act. I thought she would have gotten an Oscar for Losing Isiah. They are black, beautiful, but more important they are great actors. They deserved and earned their Oscars. I am not surprised at the attitude of some, but then these are the same people quick to call blacks racist because of BET, Miss Black America, and etc. They say why don't blacks want to participate with us? This is why. Its amazing, they ain't good enough to get awards on their ability and its charity when they win because they are black. Okay I think some of yall's sheets are clean, pressed, and ready for pickup.
 

XMan

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What the heck happened in my thread last night? :(

It was still civil when I went to bed. I'm sorry I started this if this how you guys are gonna react. :eek:
 

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Another pleasant night @ ATOT . . .

Thats right baby. If you ever watch his show he always has a fact sheet study he is basing his conclusions on and when he doesn't he'll say so.

I stopped watching him in part b/c his facts are no different from any other talking nub that typically collects information CONSISTENT with his preformed OPINION. A priori (for the Latin-literate) perspectives do not make your viewpoints anymore accurate. It just makes them more internally consistent.

The Oscars bite b/c it's mostly pomp with minimal circumstance. I don't understand the indignance from the WSJ editorial page . . . nevermind I'm being redundant. I don't understand why so many here want to trumpet "there go the Negroes setting themselves apart" or "can't those people ever NOT talk about race?" . . . pure poo, people.

Tunku Varadarajan devoted how much of his column to talk about the significance of Sidney Poitier's achievements or the quality of film last year? how much did he spend bitching about how the black people (and their white accomplices) detracted from the Oscars? Do you get the impression he wanted something to bitch about other than long speeches and what people were wearing? He still provided minimal substance to a generally inconsequential event; other than proclaim how it lacked substance? But it's the Op-Ed page where a select few get to talk about everything they know nothing about.

Do you have any idea why a black actor might want to bask in a little spotlight? Do you have any idea what life must have been like for GENERATIONS of American blacks, Native Americans, and Asians to watch WHITE people play blacks, Native Americans, and Asians? And what were the first roles available . . . slaves, butlers, maids, farm labor, savages, railroad labor . . . Personally, I'm willing to cut Mr. Poitier a lot of slack for his hyperbole b/c I really don't know what the man's experience was like, but I doubt it was pleasant. He succeeded b/c some saw talent. His hardship was caused b/c many see color. Is he supposed to act like that was history and doesn't matter? How many grissled old 'blank' men play leading roles to nubile women? Rhetorical but if you have more than one answer for the 'blank' you must be watching anime.

I excuse your ignorance; if not stop acting like the Oscars occurred in a vacuum devoid of history. Denzel did a damn good job . . . best actor . . . certainly good enough. Whoopi, her dress, her jokes, and her movie credentials over the past decade do not appeal to me so I ignore it all. Sidney Poitier, a great actor, gave a decent and relatively short speech. The monochrome tribute to him is understandable given my previous paragraph but if Russell Crowe, Tom Cruise, or Julia Roberts said Poitier was their inspiration SOMEBODY would claim they were pandering. Regardless, what is gained by smearing these elements into one blob and then proclaiming from on high, "invite too many black people and they will ruin any party". It really sounds like some wanted them to take their awards and sit down . . . well here's the news flash; beautiful people (Berry) without anything of any real importance to say (Berry) have been giving dodo speeches (Berry) for as long as there have been Oscars. Her true significance is she is the first woman to wear latex and hit a golf ball in a none-too-short skirt in two terrible movies but STILL win an Oscar . . . that's talent.

In AaronP's case, I think what he's saying is that he's tired of people feeling the need to make that distinction in the first place. At least that's what I'm gleaning from his posts. If not, then, well, then he's an idiot.

He's probably not an idiot. I will give him the benefit of a doubt; he's probably ignorant.
 

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I was going to post this in the Tyson thread but I have decide to post it here Tyson. It has some pertinent points in it I think. I think the people who won the Oscars deserved them. I also think it is sad that the discussion degenerates into some sort of racial debate. Personally I can't do anything about what happened 30, 50 or a 150 years ago except ensure history does repeat itself or perpetuate. I can't change how my father feels or the racist redneck down the street. All I can do is judge a person on their actions not their race or their gender. More importantly I must, repeat must, teach my children the same. Then, and only then, we may have a chance to achieve true equality in this country. We will know we are there when we are no longer having these "discussions" about racial or gender inequality. JMO

I'm off to school. Hopefully this thread won't be locked when I get back, Red.
 

Stark

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the oscars are stupid. people who argue about the oscars are extra stupid.

i don't recall seeing anything aaron posted that was racist. he's a nef, for sure, but there are plenty of nefs around these parts