[bit-tech] Radeon HD 7000-series rumoured for May production

[RussianSensation]

Guess more time for forum campers to actually put their GPUs to good use and do some serious gaming.

Nah, more time to participate in outdoors activities in the summer time. :thumbsup:

Even if NV or AMD did release their latest cards, would you really spend $500 on them when BF isn't coming out for another 5 months?

 

[tigersty1e]

Didn't AMD say they were going to make a statement around June at E3?

 

[RussianSensation]

Didn't AMD say they were going to make a statement around June at E3?

I think AMD is really going full throttle with Llano right now.

Take a look at this: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...s_of_Discrete_GPUs_Dramatically_Analysts.html

It seems that the APU market is booming. With news like this, AMD would much rather launch Llano with fanfare and then worry about HD7000 series in the fall. Who knows though. Given that we don't even have any rumors on specs, I would say that the next generation of cards won't be out until September at the earliest.

 

[Silverforce11]

Nah, more time to participate in outdoors activities in the summer time. :thumbsup:

Even if NV or AMD did release their latest cards, would you really spend $500 on them when BF isn't coming out for another 5 months?

You're right, there's no really good game to trigger an upgrade boom, yet.

BF3 in tripple display setup.. it's going to need a lot of GPU grunt. I'm eagerly awaiting it.

 

[YoungGun21]

So....these are going to be good cards to mine bitcoins with, right?

😉

 

[Ben90]

Nah, more time to participate in outdoors activities in the summer time. :thumbsup:

Not when its 115*F outside. Winter is for outdoor activities 🙂

 

[Jacky60]

Well 6990's are out of stock in UK at 2 major suppliers with no eta, is this bit coin mining or clearing decks for the 7000 series?

 

[-Slacker-]

Probably neither.

 

[Chiropteran]

Well 6990's are out of stock in UK at 2 major suppliers with no eta, is this bit coin mining or clearing decks for the 7000 series?

Bitcoin mining is certainly having a huge impact, although most miners prefer 5 series such as 5830 5850 and 5870 cards. Since these are nearly all sold out now the miners may start buying more 6900 series cards for mining, including the 6990.

 

[KingstonU]

The fact that Bulldozer is being officially packaged with the HD6000 series in the "Scorpion" platform for the back to school sales boom is a clear indicator that HD7000 will not be ready until after school starts, so fall, probably October at the earliest.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Bitcoin mining is certainly having a huge impact, although most miners prefer 5 series such as 5830 5850 and 5870 cards. Since these are nearly all sold out now the miners may start buying more 6900 series cards for mining, including the 6990.

I'm having problems getting Bitcoin to work, does anyone have a link to a fairly easy guide to getting it going on my GPU's? I have two 5870's and imagine it would perform fairly well.

I do wonder how much impact Bitcoin has. It seems like this is taking off now, everyone seems to have heard of it now, it's spreading quickly. AMD GPU's supposedly are fantastic for this type of workload, so I'm really curious to see if their sales are really impacted by this current craze.

Nvidia can have Folding, I'll take the task that makes me money (since I have two AMD parts). 🙂

 

[notty22]

The fact that Bulldozer is being officially packaged with the HD6000 series in the "Scorpion" platform for the back to school sales boom is a clear indicator that HD7000 will not be ready until after school starts, so fall, probably October at the earliest.

This. AMD is pointing to the 6 series in all of its BD campaigns.
Bitcoin mining is not going to effect AMD's gpu business at all. Please point to one serious analysis of that fact in any business oriented articles. All of which are also very aware of bitcoin as a potential 'new' currency.

 

[oldswab]

I really hope they lead off with a flagship single-gpu part this time. I'm really really really getting ready to trade in my 2 4870's (512mb) for a shiny new 7970.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This. AMD is pointing to the 6 series in all of its BD campaigns.
Bitcoin mining is not going to effect AMD's gpu business at all. Please point to one serious analysis of that fact in any business oriented articles. All of which are also very aware of bitcoin as a potential 'new' currency.

You may be absolutely right. But maybe not, too. I imagine F@H has helped Nivida sell more cards over time. I think Bitcoin may do the same for AMD. And when the 7xxx cards come out, assuming they are significantly quicker than current parts, I can see people buying these for Bitcoin mining.

 

[videoclone]

Nvidia or AMD wont be announcing new gen cards until they have them ready to go, why would they go and HARM there own business by doing so.. all those people looking to buy a new videocard would stop and think twice befor parting with their hard earned cash. if a midrange $200 AMD HD 7870 is faster then a HD6990 then why on earth would i buy a HD6990

a HD7970 would be twice as fast as a HD6990...

I really feel sorry for those poor bastards who'v got themselves one of these single slot dual cards when the HD6970 will cost half as much but be 100% faster

All thanks to 3000+ stream process's on the all new 28nm tech

 

[Jacky60]

Nvidia or AMD wont be announcing new gen cards until they have them ready to go, why would they go and HARM there own business by doing so.. all those people looking to buy a new videocard would stop and think twice befor parting with their hard earned cash. if a midrange $200 AMD HD 7870 is faster then a HD6990 then why on earth would i buy a HD6990

a HD7970 would be twice as fast as a HD6990...

I really feel sorry for those poor bastards who'v got themselves one of these single slot dual cards when the HD6970 will cost half as much but be 100% faster


All thanks to 3000+ stream process's on the all new 28nm tech

Thanks for the performance clairvoyancing oh tech prophet! I feel such a dumbass, what a fool I've been and I haven't even used the cards! How much faster will the new (isn't it quite old??) 6970 be than my 6990's? From what you've 'said' it seems the switch to 28nm is going to quadruple performance all thanks to 3000 stream processors. SO a card with double the performance of the 6990 for $200 unless unknown to me the 6970 already has double the performance of the 6990 and has halved in price. You heard it here first folks!

 

[Madcatatlas]

Nvidia or AMD wont be announcing new gen cards until they have them ready to go, why would they go and HARM there own business by doing so.. all those people looking to buy a new videocard would stop and think twice befor parting with their hard earned cash. if a midrange $200 AMD HD 7870 is faster then a HD6990 then why on earth would i buy a HD6990

a HD7970 would be twice as fast as a HD6990...

I really feel sorry for those poor bastards who'v got themselves one of these single slot dual cards when the HD6970 will cost half as much but be 100% faster

All thanks to 3000+ stream process's on the all new 28nm tech

LOL... part of your post is understandable, but your "poor bastards" comment is really contradictory. I dont know any poor bastards that got themselves one of those $700+ cards.

 

[Acanthus]

Thanks for the performance clairvoyancing oh tech prophet! I feel such a dumbass, what a fool I've been and I haven't even used the cards! How much faster will the new (isn't it quite old??) 6970 be than my 6990's? From what you've 'said' it seems the switch to 28nm is going to quadruple performance all thanks to 3000 stream processors. SO a card with double the performance of the 6990 for $200 unless unknown to me the 6970 already has double the performance of the 6990 and has halved in price. You heard it here first folks!

In theory the 7000 series, if left unchanged architecture-wise, could just double everything and have a clockspeed bump to boot... With some improvements the 7870 will easily top the 6990 and then some. I wouldn't call for double though.

If i had to take a stab in the dark i would guess itll be about 30% faster than 6990 in games that can use all that power. It should also have a distinct advantage in games that don't scale well in x-fire, obviously.

 

[betasub]

^ But you are also falling into the "naming game" trap. Is that supposed "7870" you mention the flagship single-GPU card (as 6970), or is it the replacement for the current performance mid-range card (6870)? Best just stick to market-segment description, rather than some unknown naming convention.

 

[RussianSensation]

If i had to take a stab in the dark i would guess itll be about 30% faster than 6990 in games that can use all that power. It should also have a distinct advantage in games that don't scale well in x-fire, obviously.

I don't recall any videocard outside of 9700Pro that was more than 2x faster on average in videogames than a previous generation. HD6990 has 80-90% scaling compared to a single HD6970 (and sometimes nearly 100%). So if you think an HD7970 will be 30% faster than an HD6990, that would mean more than 2x faster than a single HD6970. I could only see that happening in resolutions above 2560x1600 or in heavy Tessellation scenarios assuming HD7970 increases tessellation performance over 6970 by 3-4x. Otherwise, I think a 60-70% performance increase over an HD6970 is more realistic up to 1920x1200 and 70-80% at 2560x1600.

The other part of the equation has to be a larger prevalence of more advanced games. Right now a GTX580/570/HD6970 slice through just about any game outside of Witcher 2 with Ubersampling at 1920x1200. Outside of 2560x1600+ users, I feel that we need a new generation of engines/games to really benefit from another 2x performance boost in GPU speed on single monitors. Even so, how many people will buy a new generation $400-500 GPU just to play BF3? There has to be 5-6 "A" level titles that make HD6970/580 feel slow before there is a real incentive to upgrade.

 

[Acanthus]

I don't recall any videocard outside of 9700Pro that was more than 2x faster on average in videogames than a previous generation. HD6990 has 80-90% scaling compared to a single HD6970 (and sometimes nearly 100%). So if you think an HD7970 will be 30% faster than an HD6990, that would mean more than 2x faster than a single HD6970. I could only see that happening in resolutions above 2560x1600 or in heavy Tessellation scenarios assuming HD7970 increases tessellation performance over 6970 by 3-4x. Otherwise, I think a 60-70% performance increase over an HD6970 is more realistic up to 1920x1200 and 70-80% at 2560x1600.

The other part of the equation has to be a larger prevalence of more advanced games. Right now a GTX580/570/HD6970 slice through just about any game outside of Witcher 2 with Ubersampling at 1920x1200. Outside of 2560x1600+ users, I feel that we need a new generation of engines/games to really benefit from another 2x performance boost in GPU speed on single monitors. Even so, how many people will buy a new generation $400-500 GPU just to play BF3? There has to be 5-6 "A" level titles that make HD6970/580 feel slow before there is a real incentive to upgrade.

Its a full shrink jump because they entirely skipped 32nm. This is an unusual situation.

 

[Acanthus]

^ But you are also falling into the "naming game" trap. Is that supposed "7870" you mention the flagship single-GPU card (as 6970), or is it the replacement for the current performance mid-range card (6870)? Best just stick to market-segment description, rather than some unknown naming convention.

I agree, they have deviated from their own naming nomenclature.

I'll say the new "flagship single GPU" card.

 

[videoclone]

If you look at how long they'v been stuck on 40nm now then the shrink could bring a 100% improvement

Last shrink was 55nm and had 800 Streams they doubled that to 1600 when they went to 40nm .. they could go even higher then 3000 streams on 28nm.

Midrange cards will be the overclockers dream! 🙂 1.5Ghz+ OC GPUs should be double

 

[Chiropteran]

This. AMD is pointing to the 6 series in all of its BD campaigns.
Bitcoin mining is not going to effect AMD's gpu business at all. Please point to one serious analysis of that fact in any business oriented articles. All of which are also very aware of bitcoin as a potential 'new' currency.

Since 5 series is long out of production and many of the older 5830 cards bought for mining were probably not expected to sell anyway, I agree that the gobbling up of old 5 series cards won't have much of an effect on AMD. However, now that they are nearly gone people are buying 6 series cards for BTC mining. This will have some effect, perceptible or not is hard to say.

I am not sure I agree with your statement about the business oriented articles though. Sure, many of the writers may be aware that bitcoins exist, but only a subset of those are aware of the interesting fact that you can mine with with a video card. Even among those few, even fewer are aware that only AMD video cards can do this with any reasonable speed. And even then, articles lag reality. 5 series cards were just starting to sell out at the end of last week, you can even now find a few still for sale although prices are kinda stupid high. If there will be any article, it wouldn't have been published yet anyway, as it wouldn't make sense to do a piece on 5 series shortage before the shortage actually occurred.

 

[Muyoso]

Bitcoin mining is certainly having a huge impact, although most miners prefer 5 series such as 5830 5850 and 5870 cards. Since these are nearly all sold out now the miners may start buying more 6900 series cards for mining, including the 6990.

Someone on the bitcoin forums is trying to sel 6990's new for 1500 USD cash or 2000 USD worth in bitcoins. He is insane.