Yeah, the irony of biodiesel in an engine that has used regular diesel is that it is so clean that it will unclog all the crap in your engine -- which can lead to clogging the engine. It just means you have to be careful when you start the switch though.
Yeah, the irony of biodiesel in an engine that has used regular diesel is that it is so clean that it will unclog all the crap in your engine -- which can lead to clogging the engine. It just means you have to be careful when you start the switch though.
Originally posted by: desy
Actually they can't now meet the new standard but they will by 2008 both Mercedes 'which has an engine right now that meets the new standard' and Volkswagon will realease one by 2008 as the start of it.
When you factor in that hybrid actually adds a lot more to a vehicle the deisel from simply adding particulate filters comes out ahead, on up front cost over hybrid
Diesel hybrid even much more so
In addition, Honda is working on its small diesels. BMW is likely watching Daimler to see if its worth the effort. But gas just isn't expensive enough for the typical Bimmer driver to care . . . plus BMW has ridiculously good gas engines (performance-wise). The domestic automakers aren't good at making small engines so its unlikely they will produce a good diesel unless they buy it. But as I noted before, heavy duty trucks are definitely getting new diesels and they will likely trickle down to the bread/butter variants within a few years (F-150, Silverado 1500, etc). And if people get into Toureag diesels then I doubt other big sport ute manufacturers would ignore the appeal of putting in an oil burner to get an easy 25% boost in mileage.
Further, a new administration that actually cares about the environment can easily get EPA to do what it should be doing already . . . putting the hammer down on ALL source particulates; coal-fired plants, diesel trucks, offroad diesels - although Bush did sign reforms for this that goes into effect in the next decade :roll: . . .
No Im not, but yo ustart you post with typical liberal propoganda bush bashing BS, grow up, you dont like bush, a lot of people dont, but being a baby and blaming everything on him, like you dog crapping on your carpet, ist going to make your day better, so grow up, and stay on topic...
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F you stupid Californians and your misguided CARB for ruining it for the rest of the country. You have this myopic view that air quality is the most important aspect of driving a car, when it isn't. Fuel efficiency is. That much should be obvious considering the current situation in the Middle East and the growing thirst for fossil fuels from developing nations.
We're talking about passenger cars, not trucks, buses and farm equipment. :roll: I love all of these articles that claim particulate matter causes cancer, and they go so far as to estimate the number of deaths attributed to it. Correlation does not equal causation.
Oh I agree. I just don't think they are going to bother with the US market since it probably won't generate new sales in the 3-series. Granted, if they offered a super-stripped version of the 330d in the low30s, one could argue its more economical to own than most cars costing mid20s.
I assume they also have a lower displacement diesel - 2.0L maybe. But I doubt they will bring that over either b/c they learned their lesson the hard way going downmarket with the 318ti.
But I bet that would make a righteous Mini.
Deptacon . . . tool much?
According to you, because the diesel is in a passenger car, and not a bus or truck, it's not a pollution problem?
Just because the country is late waking up to the fact that diesel is killing us, doesn't make it not true. What good is fuel efficiency if the exhaust is killing you. The auto industry and consumers have spent billions to clean up automobiles, and the diesels have not cleaned up. Auto exhaust is many times cleaner than it used to be, diesel is pretty much the same as always. And Biodiesel, the darling of many phony environmentalists, only produces half the soot of a regular diesel, still deadly.
And how did CARB ruin things for the rest of the country? CARB makes rules for California. We enjoy our cleaner air. If your state adopts CARB rules that is your problem, not ours.
And California leads the country in the adoption of (fuel efficient) hybrids. Maybe you could ditch the SUV and buy a more fuel efficient vehicle.
BMW plans to bring over diesels. Here's the important part:
The problem is that BMW haven't said which engine or engines they'll bring over. The 535D would be an awesome car to have, but who knows if they'll bring it over.
marincounty, yes, diesels can be filthy. The lack of a clean fuel option has prevented manufacturers in the U.S. to use emissions equipment that reduces all of the pollution problems. That has caused new diesels in light vehicles (small trucks and cars) to be banned in five states. However, the emissions equipment is available to make diesels meet California standards (the strictest emissions standards in the world). You should do a little research on Bluetec Diesel.
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1. No, it's not a pollution problem. Emissions regulations are completely different for cars than for trucks. Europe does not have emissions problems because of their diesel cars, yet they make up 40% of the passenger vehicles on the road. There's no way you can claim that diesel passenger cars are as dirty as a farm tractor or 18 wheeler.
2. Diesel isn't killing us see Correlation versus causation.
3. Diesels have absolutely cleaned up. The EPA measures 4 tailpipe emissions, oxides of carbon, oxides of nitrogen, particulate matter, and unburned hydrocarbons. Modern diesel is cleaner on CO, I think equivalent on NOx and unburned hydrocarbons, and with ultra low sulfur diesel mandated by 2008, the particulate matter will be much closer to that of gasoline engines (I forget the exact numbers for PPM).
4. California is a problem for the rest of the country because it is the largest car market in the country. If you can't sell in Cali, why sell in the States? It used to be a huge selling point that a car had "California emissions" back when the CARB standards were first enacted. But California has decided to put a stranglehold on diesel cars by lowering the emissions regulations to lower than that of Europe (who again, doesn't seem to have a problem with diesel power despite relying heavily on it).
5. SUV, whatever. Lets make some more generalizations about me. :roll: California sure did a good job adopting/trying to regulate in the useless, uneconomical, impractical electric vehicles. Way to go, Cali!
Per norm, Detroit doesn't know how to do something . . . so they say why even bother . . .
As for BMW, it sounds like they are starting with their profit activity vehicles first.
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And yet CARB tried to pass milage improvement requirements and was sued by the Feds under the commerce clause... The Cat Conv came about on account of CARB, and God knows where our emission standards would be if it was just left to Washington. We all owe thanks too to the dumbass Californians.
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