Bing Is Now Google

[bignateyk]

Microsoft Bob?
Clippy?

We can all thank Microsoft for unleashing such a scourge upon the planet.

Reminds me of the Patton Oswalt routine..

Scientist: "Hey, we made cancer airborne and contagious! You’re welcome!"

 

[Fritzo]

Microsoft Bob?
Clippy?

....that worked.

 

[Gibson486]

In all seriousness, this is pretty much how they've made all of their products. They take someone else's product and modify it.

MS Word- Ideas taken from WordStar and WordPerfect
Excel - Ideas taken from Lotus 123
Windows- taken from Apple (who got the idea from Xerox)
Windows Defender - purchased Giant Antispyware, rebranded it
Zune- ideas taken from the IPod
Internet Explorer - based off of open source Mosaic
XBox- ideas taken from the Sony Playstation
Kinect- idea taken from the Wii

I can't think of a single original product they've ever made.

It's pretty much how most products by any company are made, so those points are moot.

Really, who cares? It's a dam search engine. You think Google innovated every single thing they did? I am pretty sure they bought a few companies along the way to implement a few things they wanted to do.

 

[VinylxScratches]

MS is subpar in everything they do and they copy and fail. Everyone knows this.

 

[Josh]

MS is subpar in everything they do and they copy and fail. Everyone knows this.

Truth. This is why their tablet will fail....and everything else they try to copy. MS needs to innovate a product (and do it correctly).

 

[jman19]

It's pretty much how most products by any company are made, so those points are moot.

Really, who cares? It's a dam search engine. You think Google innovated every single thing they did? I am pretty sure they bought a few companies along the way to implement a few things they wanted to do.

These arguments are so awful I barely know how to respond.

Who cares? Obviously the engineers at Google do - you know, the people who spend a significant amount of time and earn their living doing what they do.

And I'm not sure what buying other companies has to do with the argument at all.

 

[thepd7]

Microsoft Bob?
Clippy?

haha oh clippy.

 

[Gibson486]

These arguments are so awful I don't know how to respond.

Who cares? Obviously the engineers at Google do - you know, the people who spend a significant amount of time and earn their living doing what they do.

And I'm not sure what buying other companies has to do with the argument at all.

Because everyone thinks that google's success is due to strictly innovation. It's not. Yeah, they made a dam good search engine. Fine. Did they invent a search engine? No. They took the idea and improved upon it (or bought companies that let them do what they wanted), so writing MS off for stealing ideas is kind of dumb. The whole idea of creating search results based on data mining has been around for a while.

As for the Google Engineers and their living...guess what, your an engineer. If you want to continue making a living off of it, then stay one step ahead of your peers. Someone will find ways to steal you ideas eventually (whether it be ethical or not), so live with it.

 

[silverpig]

I don't know if I'd call this as Bing using google search results so much as I'd call it as Bing using information about which links their users clicked on.

Let's say I'm sitting next to you and we are asked to search for information on "alskdkjf". You use google to search it, google presents you with 4 sites and you click on the third link. I check out the url you go to and enter that into my browser.

Did I copy from google, or copy from you?

 

[jman19]

Because everyone thinks that google's success is due to strictly innovation. It's not. Yeah, they made a dam good search engine. Fine. Did they invent a search engine? No. They took the idea and improved upon it (or bought companies that let them do what they wanted), so writing MS off for stealing ideas is kind of dumb. The whole idea of creating search results based on data mining has been around for a while.

As for the Google Engineers and their living...guess what, your an engineer. If you want to continue making a living off of it, then stay one step ahead of your peers. Someone will find ways to steal you ideas eventually (whether it be ethical or not), so live with it.

So instead of encouraging innovation, people should just "deal with" theft of ideas. Cool.

I'm not sure MS did anything "wrong" but I can understand why I'd be more than annoyed if a competitor is basically piggybacking off my work. Sounds like some of the engineers at Google are just calling for MS to focus on creating rather than reusing.

And no, I wasn't arguing that searching data is innovative - the innovation is in the WAY in which searching has been improved upon. To say that there can be no innovation because the core idea is the same is silly at best.

 

[Train]

So instead of encouraging innovation, people should just "deal with" theft of ideas. Cool.

There was no "idea" and there was no "theft".

Now if MS got their hands on Google's algorithm, and used it, THAT would be an actual idea, with an actual theft.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

There was no "idea" and there was no "theft".

Now if MS got their hands on Google's algorithm, and used it, THAT would be an actual idea, with an actual theft.

Why bother with the algorithm when you can just steal the results?...

 

[ultimatebob]

Well... at least I have proof that it's a good idea to opt out of Microsoft's "Customer Experience Improvement Program". Call me paranoid, but I didn't think that anything good could come out of letting Microsoft analyze my computer usage habits.

It makes you wonder what else they're using the search results they're collecting besides adding them to Bing's index. It wouldn't surprise me if they were using them to target advertising in other ad supported programs like MSN Messenger or the new free versions of Office.

 

[TheTony]

And MS admitted to it. Their reply to Google was "so what?"


"Using them" and "copying google" is a pretty big difference. Google only proved that MS has indexed googles results, and only for purposely obscure searches.

I don't equate indexing with using thier toolbar to monitor what sites their users visited (including google). Were it not for Google, the user would have never gotten to the planted result.

Bing can say it's one tool among many, but the legitmacy of it is questionable, if they claim to provide their OWN search results.

 

[silverpig]

Well... at least I have proof that it's a good idea to opt out of Microsoft's "Customer Experience Improvement Program". Call me paranoid, but I didn't think that anything good could come out of letting Microsoft analyze my computer usage habits.

It makes you wonder what else they're using the search results they're collecting besides adding them to Bing's index. It wouldn't surprise me if they were using them to target advertising in other ad supported programs like MSN Messenger or the new free versions of Office.

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[silverpig]

Hmm, I wonder if there's a way for google to "bing bomb" bing. Get a bunch of users to search for "microsoft" and have them all click on a planted link for goatse...

 

[Ben90]

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[oogabooga]

It's pretty much how most products by any company are made, so those points are moot.

Yea, there's some successful companies that don't "Innovate" so much as "Refine".

I don't think copying the results is refining, but then again, it's not like they outright stole google's technology. This seems relatively minor?

 

[a123456]

the only BING thing I like is bing maps where it has bird's eye view... you can see so much better than overhead satellite (too many trees). Google street view is nice but if I want to scope out an area and surrounding streets, bird's eye can't be beat. "Is there parking at/near that restaurant?" "What's the house look like before we go check it out with the realtor..." "Is the area ghetto?" BING!

It's not like Google is immune to copying. Recently, Google Maps has started to show the "45 degree" view on their maps in select areas and it's the Bing Bird's Eye View but you can't rotate it around 4 ways. It's just the view with up being north.

Right now I use both maps for the SV and the BEV depending on what I need.

The marketplace and capitalism have never been about who invented/discovered an idea but about execution and marketing. Just looking at Edison/light bulb or Mullins/PCR vs. Mark Zuckerberg.

 

[Patranus]

So Bing is doing what Google does, look at links on other sites to help its search rankings.

 

[Ns1]

c/p relevant section

To verify its suspicions, Google set up a sting operation. For the first time in its history, Google crafted one-time code that would allow it to manually rank a page for a certain term (code that will soon be removed, as described further below). It then created about 100 of what it calls “synthetic” searches, queries that few people, if anyone, would ever enter into Google.

These searches returned no matches on Google or Bing — or a tiny number of poor quality matches, in a few cases — before the experiment went live. With the code enabled, Google placed a honeypot page to show up at the top of each synthetic search.

The only reason these pages appeared on Google was because Google forced them to be there. There was nothing that made them naturally relevant for these searches. If they started to appeared at Bing after Google, that would mean that Bing took Google’s bait and copied its results.

This all happened in December. When the experiment was ready, about 20 Google engineers were told to run the test queries from laptops at home, using Internet Explorer, with Suggested Sites and the Bing Toolbar both enabled. They were also told to click on the top results. They started on December 17. By December 31, some of the results started appearing on Bing.

 

[Kev]

It's not like Google is immune to copying. Recently, Google Maps has started to show the "45 degree" view on their maps in select areas and it's the Bing Bird's Eye View but you can't rotate it around 4 ways. It's just the view with up being north.

Right now I use both maps for the SV and the BEV depending on what I need.

The marketplace and capitalism have never been about who invented/discovered an idea but about execution and marketing. Just looking at Edison/light bulb or Mullins/PCR vs. Mark Zuckerberg.

Your analogy, like many of the analogies in this thread supporting microsoft, is flawed. A correct analogy would be google copying the maps that bing generates and using them in google maps. Which is obviously blatant theft.

 

[Kev]

So Bing is doing what Google does, look at links on other sites to help its search rankings.

More horribly flawed logic. A search engine results page is not the same as a static html page with static links. I can't think of any websites google indexes, that use a proprietary algorithm, and generate ranked links which google analyzes and incorporates into their search results. Can you name one?

 

[Away]

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[Patranus]

More horribly flawed logic. A search engine results page is not the same as a static html page with static links. I can't think of any websites google indexes, that use a proprietary algorithm, and generate ranked links which google analyzes and incorporates into their search results. Can you name one?

Why?

Essentially Bing is indexing Google search results.

(Someone should make a search engine that indexes Google, Yahoo!, Bing, ect and generates super results)