Bin Laden Dead?

[trenchfoot]

The Saudi family has billions of dollars invested in the US. Why would it be in their interest to continueously attack the US causing economic downturns?

i see a myraid of overlapping reasons why they would do that.
part of my uneducated guess is that true to form, leaders of that region will always play two sides against the other by encouraging those sides to destroy each other while the instigator just sits back and waits to see who wins. the weakened "winner" gets to grovel at their feet for favors and reap the benefits of playing the game by the instigator's rules. apply this rule to all who want to play and the tangle of agendas gets pretty complex but at the same time quit elegant.

there's also the eternal conflict between holding true to islamic teachings while dealing with the necessities of successfully co-existing with the political/economic/religious philosophies of the crusading infidels from the west.

throw into the stew the idea that the highest priority for many islamic leaders is that their religion survive and prosper above all others. all else that is done is only meant to pursue that end. if that's so, then the loss of a "few" billion here or there is just a means to an end.

*edit*- again with the shpelling*

 

[ModerateRepZero]

To answer the OP, I doubt Bin Laden is dead....and the fact that we haven't heard from BL is insignificant by itself. If you've been reading about Al Queda, it has been morphing from a hierarchical organization into a more decentralized group with many cells only loosely (if at all) connected to Al Queda . You no longer have a central leader giving precise instructions on the target, objective, and means of achieving goal. That is one of the reasons why AQ is so difficult to take out and why, say, informants are at best of limited use in compartamentalized groups.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
osama linked to saudi royals

You know, your rambling nonsensical post might have been meaningfull if you had addressed that little problem that the decreed death sentence on him from the royal family, because he proclaimed his desire to kill them all, presents to you little scenario. Ya know kings and their families don't take highly to people that publically state they desire to overthrow the monarchy and kill them all for being traitors to islam. Then you would need to deal with that other problem that the bin ladin family disowned him YEARS ago.

 

[trenchfoot]

You know, your rambling nonsensical post might have been meaningfull if you had addressed that little problem that the decreed death sentence on him from the royal family, because he proclaimed his desire to kill them all, presents to you little scenario. Ya know kings and their families don't take highly to people that publically state they desire to overthrow the monarchy and kill them all for being traitors to islam. Then you would need to deal with that other problem that the bin ladin family disowned him YEARS ago.

hey, thanks for your testy reply. if i promise to ask you first before i post any more will you promise not to slap me around again? if you didn't notice, in my post that you're referring to, i pre-qualified my musings as an "uneducated guess". however, your opinion is duly and graciously noted.
well, putting your smart a$$ prose aside, i have heard of what you posted. i offer this in response: your supposition that you ran me over with may only be as credible as my wild ass guess, given that what you see and read may quite possibly be what you and i were only meant to see and read.

oh yeah...chill out brah, it's on me :beer:

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
To answer the OP, I doubt Bin Laden is dead....and the fact that we haven't heard from BL is insignificant by itself. If you've been reading about Al Queda, it has been morphing from a hierarchical organization into a more decentralized group with many cells only loosely (if at all) connected to Al Queda . You no longer have a central leader giving precise instructions on the target, objective, and means of achieving goal. That is one of the reasons why AQ is so difficult to take out and why, say, informants are at best of limited use in compartamentalized groups.

Would you say that our attack on a sovereign nation like Iraq has strengthened the al-qaeda movement and made recruiting really easy.. Parents are probably lining up to send their children to fight the americans the same way we did when the British came to America

 

[catnap1972]

He's just in the freezer at the moment.

He'll be defrosted by November...no worries!

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: homercles337

tab·loid Audio pronunciation of "tabloid" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tbloid) n.

A newspaper of small format giving the news in condensed form, usually with illustrated, often sensational material.

Yep, thats a good source.

I'm surprised "they" haven't stooped to using the local Pennysaver as a credible news source.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

in response to rahv:

it's true that he was at the very least 'excommunicated' in a way from Saudi Arabia by the royal family but there are still undoubtedly many sympathizers within the royal family. You have to keep in mind that there are at least 3,000 members in this 'family' with some nuts, some moderates, etc. It's perfectly plausible that there are some informal ties b/w bin Laden and Saudis.

the bin ladin family disowned him years ago (would they really admit to saying that they still keep in touch with him? ), yes. but that again doesn't mean that all the family members have done so.


to tweaker: sounds like a conspiracy theory my take on this is that OBL hid in the mountains between pakistan and afghanistan. the fact that he was difficult to locate coupled with the fact that hitting him would not have much more than a symbolic victory over Al-Queda (as discussed in my last post the organization has become more decentralized), meant that the Bush administration has had to change its focus from him to other Al Queda members. There is no doubt that we have ties to the Saudis, but i don't think Iraq is on behalf of them.....especially since Iraq's oil would give them a competitor (remember the Saudis' wealth came from oil). I'll end on that note =P

 

[Grunt03]

Oh great another so called "Expert" trying to make a name or fast buck for himself.........

 

[trenchfoot]

to tweaker: sounds like a conspiracy theory

touch'e mon ami.