Bimmer problems

Xionide

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Update: Today I got the new ecu and slapped it in there. It ran smoother than it did when I purchased it. Only one thing, it still smokes. I think its probably the o2 sensor because it probably has never been replaced and it has 141K miles on it. When I start it there is no white smoke. Then in about one minute the white smoke gradually starts appearing in the exhaust. From what my friend said the o2 sensor doesnt kick in till the engine warms up, so maybe that is why the white smoke starts to appear. Do you think this is the o2 sensor causing the white smoke?
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Some of you might have seen my posts about the car I got about 3 months back. Its a 1984 bmw 318i 5 speed. When I bought it it had a rough high idle (around 2k rpm's) but other than that it ran fine. After I bought it I noticed an oil leak so I decided it was time to fix some seals. Me and my friend changed both the oil pan seals, timing chain seal, water pump seal, fuel filter, spark plugs,and the cap and rotor.

So we were driving it back from his house and he noticed that it didnt seem like it had as much power as it should (he was driving). Then when we were coming around a corner he said after it hit 3k rpm's it just lost power completely. Then it went back to normal. When we got back to my house he suspected it was a timing problem since it had an high idle and we had the loss of power. On this car you can adjust the timing by loosening a skrew and then spinning the distributor. We marked where it was originaly and then tried adjusting it. We moved it back and forth and then it seemed like we went a little to far and it stalled out. No problem right? WRONG! We put it back to the original position and then started it up.

For some reason it sounded horrible, almost like it was missing. Also there is a thick white smoke that has replaced the regular exhaust and it smells like gasoline. We tested the spark and the plugs and everything seems ok. The engine doesnt struggle to start but it is just this violently horrific sound. Like it could stall at any moment. The engine shakes since it isnt running smooth.

Me and my dad have been trying to troubleshoot the problem. We started with the electrical system as that is what it seems like everything is pointing to. We ruled out the idle controll unit/valve (thats what the dealership said it probably was. We have been trying to troubleshoot the jetronic but no such luck. The chilton manuals are just plain garbage and the repair manual my dad got from the library covers too many different models to get a clear description of what you are supposed to be doing. It asks you to test voltage for pins on the wiring harnes that do not exist and things like that.

The manual said something about an "EGR" filter or valve but we couldn't locate it on the engine. If anybody has some info on what the problem might be or if you know a place I could find better repair manuals it would be greatly appreciated.

Cliff notes: Car blows white gas smelling exhaust and runs eratically. Please help!

-Xionide
 

NutBucket

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Sounds like its running way rich. That jetronic is utter garbage. Have fun figuring it out. Is it at least a US market car? Try to get the factory manual for it.
 

Xionide

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Sounds like its running way rich. That jetronic is utter garbage. Have fun figuring it out. Is it at least a US market car? Try to get the factory manual for it.

Yes its running rich. To my knowledge it is the us version if thats what you are talking about. The dealership is going to charge me like $200 to test it. Maybe I should just buy a new one and if that doesnt fix it there is always ebay.

-Xionide
 

Zenmervolt

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You just fiddled with the distributor timing and didn't adjust it with a timing light to engine specs? That's a recipe for disaster. (Disaster of the bad-running engine sort, no permanent damage should occur.) Have the timing set properly and go from there.

ZV
 

xXped0thugXx

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
You just fiddled with the distributor timing and didn't adjust it with a timing light to engine specs? That's a recipe for disaster. (Disaster of the bad-running engine sort, no permanent damage should occur.) Have the timing set properly and go from there.

ZV



agreed , when you fiddle with the distributor you must use a timing light to calculate exactly how much you are moving it, get one of those and put it back to factory standard. Also there shouldnt be any permanent damage to your car, if this doesnt solve the problem try finding some BMW forums and searching about it. Each car is different, also not to alarm you but white puffy smoke coming from the exhaust usually signifies a broken head gasket, take a look at that also.
 

Xionide

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Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
You just fiddled with the distributor timing and didn't adjust it with a timing light to engine specs? That's a recipe for disaster. (Disaster of the bad-running engine sort, no permanent damage should occur.) Have the timing set properly and go from there.

ZV



agreed , when you fiddle with the distributor you must use a timing light to calculate exactly how much you are moving it, get one of those and put it back to factory standard. Also there shouldnt be any permanent damage to your car, if this doesnt solve the problem try finding some BMW forums and searching about it. Each car is different, also not to alarm you but white puffy smoke coming from the exhaust usually signifies a broken head gasket, take a look at that also.

I kind of did. I have noticed some anti-freeze dripping too. I am going to check into it more. If it is blown its not too much of a problem as I wanted to get the heads shaved anyway. The reason I am thinking that that isnt what is causing the problem is that the exhaust smells of gas. Like really REALLY gassy. I will adjust my timing with a gun. Thanks for all the info guys!

-Xionide
 

xXped0thugXx

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check to see if your coolant is mixed with oil, check your oil and see if its kinda cloudy and milky, check your oil level. If all seems to be in check, it almost sounds as if you need new injectors... just taking a guess here. Try to get some injector cleaner and if it doesnt do anything get a diagnosis done on your injectors.
 

mdcrab

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Topic title is a little misleading, as I thought it was regarding a medical problem.
You may want to add a "W" to the title or change to "Beamer".

mdcrab
 

Xionide

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Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
check to see if your coolant is mixed with oil, check your oil and see if its kinda cloudy and milky, check your oil level. If all seems to be in check, it almost sounds as if you need new injectors... just taking a guess here. Try to get some injector cleaner and if it doesnt do anything get a diagnosis done on your injectors.

I just ordered a jetronic off of ebay. If that doesnt work I will be checking all that other stuff. I checked the coolant and it doesnt seem to be dropping. The oil is brand new.
 

Xionide, first thing to do is to check the fuel pressure regulator, when these fail it will show symptons exactly as you have described.

There is no proper diagnostic tree to follow when diagnosing Jetronic fuel injection, experiance and a good knowledge of it's workings is the only answer.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: mdcrab
Topic title is a little misleading, as I thought it was regarding a medical problem.
You may want to add a "W" to the title or change to "Beamer".

mdcrab

That'll get you flamed by BMW owners, they're very anal about the difference between a bimmer and a beamer. Beamer = motorcycle, god forbid you use the same term for their cars.
 

Xionide

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: mdcrab
Topic title is a little misleading, as I thought it was regarding a medical problem.
You may want to add a "W" to the title or change to "Beamer".

mdcrab

That'll get you flamed by BMW owners, they're very anal about the difference between a bimmer and a beamer. Beamer = motorcycle, god forbid you use the same term for their cars.

EEEXCELENT.
 

JulesMaximus

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White smoke usually means blown head gasket or cracked cylinder head and or block. That's coolant you're burning out your tailpipe.

What year/make Bimmer is this? We had a 1986 325e we had to replace the cylinder head on because the aluminum broke down over time (that's the 'story' we were told anyway-I think somewhere along the line someone put the wrong coolant in there) and we had coolant in the combustion chamber. Man, talk about thick white smoke...Expensive repair too. If I remember correctly that cost us $2500 for one rebuilt head including labor. More than the car was worth actually.