Bill would turn internet flamers into felons

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SirStev0

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good bye free speech.

I wonder if 4chan would be ballsy enough to take on congress like they did COS.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
good bye free speech.
Free speech doesn't apply if you are only saying things to cause harm to someone rather than discussing a topic.

It is all about the malice.



I follow the rule that you shouldn't say anything online that you are not willing to say to the persons face. Unfortunately many people use the internet as a way to do whatever they want with no cares about anyone because they can be anonymous. To me those people don't deserve the right of free speech.
 
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The bill is going to turn internet flamers into felons... Does this mean Richard Simmons' website will be shut down?
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: SirStev0
good bye free speech.
Free speech doesn't apply if you are only saying things to cause harm to someone rather than discussing a topic.

It is all about the malice.



I follow the rule that you shouldn't say anything online that you are not willing to say to the persons face. Unfortunately many people use the internet as a way to do whatever they want with no cares about anyone because they can be anonymous. To me those people don't deserve the right of free speech.

?the intent is to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person.?

that sounds pretty open to interpretation especially for a cop or prosecutor who wants to make some headlines.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: SirStev0
good bye free speech.
Free speech doesn't apply if you are only saying things to cause harm to someone rather than discussing a topic.

It is all about the malice.



I follow the rule that you shouldn't say anything online that you are not willing to say to the persons face. Unfortunately many people use the internet as a way to do whatever they want with no cares about anyone because they can be anonymous. To me those people don't deserve the right of free speech.

i go by that same basic rule.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: SirStev0
good bye free speech.
Free speech doesn't apply if you are only saying things to cause harm to someone rather than discussing a topic.

It is all about the malice.



I follow the rule that you shouldn't say anything online that you are not willing to say to the persons face. Unfortunately many people use the internet as a way to do whatever they want with no cares about anyone because they can be anonymous. To me those people don't deserve the right of free speech.

i go by that same basic rule.

as do I and I personally think both of you are cowardly morons. Something I would be more than willing to say to your face.

Did this emotionally distress you?
 

Leros

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Deeko
Well that seems like a gross abuse of the 1st amendment. There's no way this is upheld.

It's an effort to do something about "cyber bullying".

This whole cyber bullying thing is ridiculous. For example, girls are being "forced" to strip on webcam and stuff. WTF. When somebody is being a jerk online, stop using that website. DUH.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Leros

This whole cyber bullying thing is ridiculous. For example, girls are being "forced" to strip on webcam and stuff. WTF. When somebody is being a jerk online, stop using that website. DUH.

Personal responsibility went out the window about 10 years ago.
 
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Leros

This whole cyber bullying thing is ridiculous. For example, girls are being "forced" to strip on webcam and stuff. WTF. When somebody is being a jerk online, stop using that website. DUH.

Personal responsibility went out the window about 10 years ago.

That's OUTRAGEOUS
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: kalrith
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: Modelworks
From the law sites
To prove intentional emotional distress, the plaintiff must show: 1) the defendant must act intentionally or recklessly; (2) the defendant's conduct must be extreme and outrageous; and (3) the conduct must be the cause (4) of severe emotional distress. The definition of outrageous is subjective, but it should be more than mere insults, indignities, threats, annoyances, or petty oppressions. It has been generally defined as conduct which would cause a reasonable person to exclaim "Outrageous!" An example would be falsely informing a person that a close family member had been killed.

So a reasonable person would not find it outrageous to physically threaten someone? :confused:

Your post just made me (a reasonable person) exclaim "Outrageous!"


It made me throw my hands in the air and wave them around like I just don't care.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Modelworks

Unfortunately many people use the internet as a way to do whatever they want with no cares about anyone because they can be anonymous. To me those people don't deserve the right of free speech.


People like you are the problem because you think that you can determine who deserves an inalienable right like free speech.

Thinking that is stupid enough, but carrying on that thought process and supporting laws which encroach on other people's rights (because you don't feel they deserve them) is downright reckless. It enables tactics like "divide and conquer" to work well. You are thinking emotionally and not logically.
 

tyler811

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Modelworks

Unfortunately many people use the internet as a way to do whatever they want with no cares about anyone because they can be anonymous. To me those people don't deserve the right of free speech.


People like you are the problem because you think that you can determine who deserves an inalienable right like free speech.

Thinking that is stupid enough, but carrying on that thought process and supporting laws which encroach on other people's rights (because you don't feel they deserve them) is downright reckless. It enables tactics like "divide and conquer" to work well. You are thinking emotionally and not logically.

Right Spock think logically
 

nanette1985

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Oh cool, that means that Oprah and the KFC folks are going down! They caused me emotional distress when I didn't get my free chicken meal!

And Paypal . . .
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am sure this law is a direct response to the little girl that killed herself after a rivals mom created a fake internet account pretending to be a boy, befriended the girl over the net and then 'broke' up with said girl causing girl to kill herself.

The mom that created the fake account got of without even a slap on the wrist I believe because there are no laws to stop such behavior.

Nor should there be.

 

RoloMather

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am sure this law is a direct response to the little girl that killed herself after a rivals mom created a fake internet account pretending to be a boy, befriended the girl over the net and then 'broke' up with said girl causing girl to kill herself.

The mom that created the fake account got of without even a slap on the wrist I believe because there are no laws to stop such behavior.

Nor should there be.

Yep.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
If they are going to make it illegal on the internet, surely they should make it illegal in the real world as well?

no the obama administration loves the gays!