Bill would give Obama control of internet during emergencies

[Robor]

:thumbsdown: to this idea.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
They saw how effectively the Iranians controlled a potential revolution by controlling the itarwebz and decided they might need that power one day

In addition to some notes that were taken on a visit to China. I wonder who will be named the offical forums.anandtech.com P&N forum whitehouse liason mod?

 

[IGBT]

and the definition of emergency is now all encompassing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Isn't this a prelude to a communist take over? A twitch in my left testicle tells me it is.

 

[Elias824]

I do think this is somewhat necessary, if anyone has been keeping up with all the stories of the pentagon, cia or whatever being hacked, supposedly by China an N. Korea.
cyber warfare may become more of a reality. I cant think of a situation where just shutting everything down would really help, but I think the govt should have some control over this form of communication as well. As for if it is abused or not, I dont think anyone would be stupid enough to start shutting the whole internet down with out a damn good cause. As far as the argument about the communist take over, well if it is I dont think we will have much of a anyways.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: irwincur
I really can't think of a situation that would require the Internet to be shut down. Seriously, what disaster, war, etc... would justify this. The only reason for it would be to silence the public in the event of a massive movement (ie. Iran).

Awsome that this could even be considered in America. More awsome that it is being considered by the "regular people's" party... When are people going to open their eyes and see what the Democrats really represent.

How about a Foreign massive Hacking attempt? Worm/Virii/Other DDOS or other attack on US Government or Users Computers?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: irwincur
I really can't think of a situation that would require the Internet to be shut down. Seriously, what disaster, war, etc... would justify this. The only reason for it would be to silence the public in the event of a massive movement (ie. Iran).

Awsome that this could even be considered in America. More awsome that it is being considered by the "regular people's" party... When are people going to open their eyes and see what the Democrats really represent.

How about a Foreign massive Hacking attempt? Worm/Virii/Other DDOS or other attack on US Government or Users Computers?

No.

 

[Oceandevi]

They would have no good reason to control it. What is the benefit?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Isn't this a prelude to a communist take over? A twitch in my left testicle tells me it is.

Shens. We know you don't have any gonads Moonie.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: irwincur
I really can't think of a situation that would require the Internet to be shut down. Seriously, what disaster, war, etc... would justify this. The only reason for it would be to silence the public in the event of a massive movement (ie. Iran).

Awsome that this could even be considered in America. More awsome that it is being considered by the "regular people's" party... When are people going to open their eyes and see what the Democrats really represent.

How about a Foreign massive Hacking attempt? Worm/Virii/Other DDOS or other attack on US Government or Users Computers?

No.

What? Don't think it's possible? I'd say you're being short sighted.

Let's go back to the Cold War for some reasons then. What if a massive Nuke Attack was Initiated. Wouldn't it be a good idea for the Pres to be able to Mass Notify/Inform the Public of the impending event and/or provide Info on Emergency Services etc, similar to the Emergency Broadcast System?

I think many of you are being paranoid here. This is just a matter of Updating Powers to new Technology.

 

[Modelworks]

This is what happens with an uneducated public and technology. They will pass something like this under the guise that it is needed to keep critical information from being hacked by foreign powers. The media adds to the hype by promoting stories like the pentagon websites being hacked. When there was never any threat to classified information or critical systems.

Secret and top secret and critical systems are NOT connected to the internet or external networks in any way . They cannot be accessed from the computer down the street , let alone a foreign power across the ocean. If the media had bothered to visit a secret classified area they would have been told that the computers inside are linked to an internal network only. Internet connections are handled manually. If information has to be put into the internal network from an internet source it is physically transferred via media. A worker saves the data to media, goes through security checkpoints then loads the media onto the internal network. Internal and external networks are not firewalled, they are physically separate. Unless someone writes a virus that can control matter, sends it over the internet and it manifests itself as a person, bills like this are all hype.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
This is what happens with an uneducated public and technology. They will pass something like this under the guise that it is needed to keep critical information from being hacked by foreign powers. The media adds to the hype by promoting stories like the pentagon websites being hacked. When there was never any threat to classified information or critical systems.

Secret and top secret and critical systems are NOT connected to the internet or external networks in any way . They cannot be accessed from the computer down the street , let alone a foreign power across the ocean. If the media had bothered to visit a secret classified area they would have been told that the computers inside are linked to an internal network only. Internet connections are handled manually. If information has to be put into the internal network from an internet source it is physically transferred via media. A worker saves the data to media, goes through security checkpoints then loads the media onto the internal network. Internal and external networks are not firewalled, they are physically separate. Unless someone writes a virus that can control matter, sends it over the internet and it manifests itself as a person, bills like this are all hype.

True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sandorski

True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Like what? The providers already have a very firm grasp on how to combat and mitigate an attack. What more could the gubment do and why would they need this kind of power/control?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski

True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Like what? The providers already have a very firm grasp on how to combat and mitigate an attack. What more could the gubment do and why would they need this kind of power/control?

Already provided examples. We have no idea what the future holds, some future Hacker/Group could render current controls useless, for eg. Many Government systems maybe Offline, but many others are not, Banks are not, and many other important things are reachable through the Internet.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Already provided examples. We have no idea what the future holds, some future Hacker/Group could render current controls useless, for eg. Many Government systems maybe Offline, but many others are not, Banks are not, and many other important things are reachable through the Internet.

There really isn't anything out there that we don't already know how to mitigate. Once it had been identified it's fairly easy to stop it. The network security industry as a whole is filled with pretty sharp people, myself included.

I trust the providers a lot more than I trust the gubment and I'd rather err on the side of liberty than control. The potential for abuse of this power is very large.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski

Already provided examples. We have no idea what the future holds, some future Hacker/Group could render current controls useless, for eg. Many Government systems maybe Offline, but many others are not, Banks are not, and many other important things are reachable through the Internet.

There really isn't anything out there that we don't already know how to mitigate. Once it had been identified it's fairly easy to stop it. The network security industry as a whole is filled with pretty sharp people, myself included.

I trust the providers a lot more than I trust the gubment and I'd rather err on the side of liberty than control. The potential for abuse of this power is very large.

Times change. You don't know what the future holds and being prepared is better than not being prepared.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: sandorski
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Times change. You don't know what the future holds and being prepared is better than not being prepared.

That is like saying everyone should be required to wear hazmat suits because we don't know what kind of germ some lab might create.

If they have proof of a credible threat then they should use that as a reason, if not they should not use some web site attacks as proof that cyber armageddon is upon us.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: sandorski
True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Of course there is... like when trying to limit, censor or otherwise control the rapid sharing of information made possible by the internet.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: sandorski
True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Of course there is... like when trying to limit, censor or otherwise control the rapid sharing of information made possible by the internet.

So what you're saying is that it's just a Conspiracy and that there could never be a good reason to have that Control?

Fail.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sandorski
I suspect that other forms of Communication already can be Legally controlled by the Gov during Crisis situations. If that's the case, then extending that Power to the Internet is not really an outlandish issue.

Of course its not. Not to someone who favors MORE government control and power at every corner.


By the way, what the hell is up with capitalizing certain words mid sentence? I never did understand that.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: sandorski
[
Times change. You don't know what the future holds and being prepared is better than not being prepared.

That is like saying everyone should be required to wear hazmat suits because we don't know what kind of germ some lab might create.

If they have proof of a credible threat then they should use that as a reason, if not they should not use some web site attacks as proof that cyber armageddon is upon us.

If they have Proof of a Threat, then it's probably too late to go and get the Powers to stop it. You might note that this only Grants the Ability, it doesn't Grant Immediate Lockdown.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: sandorski
True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Of course there is... like when trying to limit, censor or otherwise control the rapid sharing of information made possible by the internet.

So what you're saying is that it's just a Conspiracy and that there could never be a good reason to have that Control?

Fail.

Nobody said conspiracy. What he is saying is the government doesn't need nor deserve this type of power. Censorship is really the only thing I can imagine happening in this situation and I thought we, as a country, decided a long time ago, censorship is a bad thing.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski
I suspect that other forms of Communication already can be Legally controlled by the Gov during Crisis situations. If that's the case, then extending that Power to the Internet is not really an outlandish issue.

Of course its not. Not to someone who favors MORE government control and power at every corner.


By the way, what the hell is up with capitalizing certain words mid sentence? I never did understand that.

It's because I'm awesome! :laugh:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: sandorski
True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Of course there is... like when trying to limit, censor or otherwise control the rapid sharing of information made possible by the internet.

So what you're saying is that it's just a Conspiracy and that there could never be a good reason to have that Control?

Fail.

Nobody said conspiracy. What he is saying is the government doesn't need nor deserve this type of power. Censorship is really the only thing I can imagine happening in this situation and I thought we, as a country, decided a long time ago, censorship is a bad thing.

Doesn't it already have that Power over other forms of Mass media?

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: sandorski
[
Times change. You don't know what the future holds and being prepared is better than not being prepared.

That is like saying everyone should be required to wear hazmat suits because we don't know what kind of germ some lab might create.

If they have proof of a credible threat then they should use that as a reason, if not they should not use some web site attacks as proof that cyber armageddon is upon us.

If they have Proof of a Threat, then it's probably too late to go and get the Powers to stop it. You might note that this only Grants the Ability, it doesn't Grant Immediate Lockdown.

Just admit it, everyone knows the truth already. You will support ANY and ALL government powers. Hell, you probably wish the government told you when to walk your dog and brush your teeth.

Well unfortunately for you and the rest of these assholes in government, a lot of Americans are finally waking up and realizing that we are sick of the government taking as much power as they can garner. The 2010 election is going to be a thing of beauty when all these asshats get kicked out of office.