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Bill would add therapists to Medicare

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WASHINGTON -- In rural states, older residents often have a hard time finding care for mental health problems. Wyoming, for instance, has 200 square miles for every Medicare provider eligible to treat mental illness.

Sen. Craig Thomas, R-Wyo., wants to improve that ratio. He has sponsored legislation that would bring marriage and family therapists and licensed counselors into the health insurance program. As a result, Wyoming's elderly and disabled would have access to 1,063 mental health professionals instead of 474.

But the proposal has drawn strong opposition from the American Psychiatric Association, which says it would waste government money. The inclusion of the new providers would increase spending for marriage counseling or family troubles without improving care for more serious problems like schizophrenia, the group contends.

"These are the wrong services to cover at the wrong time. There's a huge resource issue," said Tom Leibfried, the association's lobbyist. "Congress is finding it hard to provide new money for services, and the first thing to fund would not be these."

Thomas' proposal became an amendment to legislation designed to cut federal spending by $36 billion over 10 years. The legislation passed the Senate last week, but it would have to survive negotiations with the House before being sent to President Bush.

Many states prohibit professionals with a Masters'-level education from diagnosing and treating serious mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, Leibfried said.


This man needs to be exiled from the Republican party. What a disgrace.

The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
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WASHINGTON -- In rural states, older residents often have a hard time finding care for mental health problems. Wyoming, for instance, has 200 square miles for every Medicare provider eligible to treat mental illness.

Sen. Craig Thomas, R-Wyo., wants to improve that ratio. He has sponsored legislation that would bring marriage and family therapists and licensed counselors into the health insurance program. As a result, Wyoming's elderly and disabled would have access to 1,063 mental health professionals instead of 474.

But the proposal has drawn strong opposition from the American Psychiatric Association, which says it would waste government money. The inclusion of the new providers would increase spending for marriage counseling or family troubles without improving care for more serious problems like schizophrenia, the group contends.

"These are the wrong services to cover at the wrong time. There's a huge resource issue," said Tom Leibfried, the association's lobbyist. "Congress is finding it hard to provide new money for services, and the first thing to fund would not be these."

Thomas' proposal became an amendment to legislation designed to cut federal spending by $36 billion over 10 years. The legislation passed the Senate last week, but it would have to survive negotiations with the House before being sent to President Bush.

Many states prohibit professionals with a Masters'-level education from diagnosing and treating serious mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, Leibfried said.


This man needs to be exiled from the Republican party. What a disgrace.

The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Then why do you keep supporting Bush? Didn't he roll out a 1.5 billion dollar plan for new marriages? He has also nearly doubled the amount spent on poverty entitlements since Clinton.
 
Zendari, for someone that is so opposed to abortion, your comments reek of ignorance. Do you realize that the suicide rate amongst the elderly is the highest, percentage-wise? For someone who believes that life is sacred, don't you think old people suffering through depression deserve a little government support?
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Zendari, for someone that is so opposed to abortion, your comments reek of ignorance. Do you realize that the suicide rate amongst the elderly is the highest, percentage-wise? For someone who believes that life is sacred, don't you think old people suffering through depression deserve a little government support?

I'm not defending Zendari but he may be referring to the notion of extending a "benefit" that isn't really a benefit. Medicare would be on the hook to pay for "therapists", despite the fact these therapists wouldn't be particularly useful for treating mental illness.

I don't know why Medicare would pay for "marriage counselors/therapists" . . . last I checked being married didn't have an ICD code. Granted, it may be a sign of mental illness.

Craig and his ilk will some day learn you have to bite the bullet on rural healthcare. You either fully subsidize the delivery of appropriate care (pay mad money to get MDs to move there or subsidize the education of homegrown MDs and convinced them to stay) or you leave it to the "market" . . . aka SOL for living in BFE.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Zendari, for someone that is so opposed to abortion, your comments reek of ignorance. Do you realize that the suicide rate amongst the elderly is the highest, percentage-wise? For someone who believes that life is sacred, don't you think old people suffering through depression deserve a little government support?

I'd also expect him to support tax dollars going towards marriage counciling. After all, he is one of many Americans who considers marriage a sacred institution one must protect at all costs. I guess that only applies when gays are on the attack.
 
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.


:cookie:

Poor Poor white man......










SHUX
 
That's good news, I'm very happy to see a Republican Senator leading the fight, as both sides have troubles recognizing mental illnesses as a real problem, but moreso Republicans. People need help with mental disabilities even if they can't afford the treatment by themselves.
(FYI: October was Mental Health Awareness Month)
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

Yes, the White Race deserves inherently better health care, and deserves to live longer than any Minority Race.

Poor White People.:disgust:
 
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Yes, the White Race deserves inherently better health care, and deserves to live longer than any Minority Race.

Poor White People.:disgust:

No no, just white males. Well, the ones that aren't gay. (Which are fastly becoming the minority with their homosexual agenda spreading!)
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.
G'd damn queers!!!
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

I'm not even sure where to start......
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

I'm not even sure where to start......

Start with a vacation and there will be 23 fewer posts per day wasting Anand's storage and bandwidth
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

You aren't normal and probably not Northern European and Protestant!
 
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

Yes, the White Race deserves inherently better health care, and deserves to live longer than any Minority Race.

Poor White People.:disgust:

Nobody "deserves" healthcare anymore than I "deserve" a Lambourghini.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

Even for a White Supremacist Bigot you are a disgrace.
 
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

You aren't normal and probably not Northern European and Protestant!

Unfortunately he is normal in the 51% of the religious Republican class ruling the Country.

🙁

 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: zendari
The culture of entitlement is completely out of control if petty marraige counseling for people too dumb to solve their own problems is now essential "health care" paid for by bloated social programs.

Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

You aren't normal and probably not Northern European and Protestant!

Unfortunately he is normal in the 51% of the religious Republican class ruling the Country.

🙁


51% of the country are Zendari? I somehow doubt it. I'd wager only 1% of that 51% are actually as closeminded, bigoted, whiny, self-rightous, and misdirected as Zendari seems to be...
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Too dumb to solve their own problems? How old are you? 12?

I guess paying $50 a week for family therapy doesn't make much sense when you can pay out two or three times as much in prescription coverage to keep junior, mom, & dad all medicated - hey - that makes the pharmaceutical industry money too!

Solution to that is ditching the prescription drug coverage.

That's the problem. It's all about the elderly, or the disabled, or the minorities, or the queers.

Nobody gives a sh!t about the normal white man anymore and everyone tramples on our rights.

Even for a White Supremacist Bigot you are a disgrace.
You could sure use some therapy.
 
Most of the Republicans here seem educated and open minded. Zendari, on the other hand, sounds like a nutcase. He is probably against 911 or emergency services as well and I'm sure road construction paid for by the government also annoys him.

The entire racial element that he brings is irrelevant to the conversation and shows you what his REAL beefs are.
 
You now, even though I am a fiscal conservative, I applaud this measure. There are a lot of people around here that need some cheap therapy.....:laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Most of the Republicans here seem educated and open minded. Zendari, on the other hand, sounds like a nutcase. He is probably against 911 or emergency services as well and I'm sure road construction paid for by the government also annoys him.

The entire racial element that he brings is irrelevant to the conversation and shows you what his REAL beefs are.

Sure, his object of closeted lust is probably seeing a black man. Who is on welfare.
 
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Most of the Republicans here seem educated and open minded. Zendari, on the other hand, sounds like a nutcase. He is probably against 911 or emergency services as well and I'm sure road construction paid for by the government also annoys him.

The entire racial element that he brings is irrelevant to the conversation and shows you what his REAL beefs are.

Sure, his object of closeted lust is probably seeing a black man. Who is on welfare.

Hahaha! As far as guessing what my real beefs are, try again.

I'm not against road construction. The constitution says something about establishing post roads.
 
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