Bill to Scrap Gun registry Passes House of Commons

[Iron Woode]

http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2009/11/04/11636066.html

The gun registry has moved one critical step closer to its slow demise.

MPs voted 164-137 in favour of C-391, a private member's bill from Manitoba MP Candice Hoeppner to abolish the 14-year-old registry. Cheers of applause rippled through the House of Commons tonight after the vote passed with the support of 21 Liberal, NDP and independent MPs.

The vote means the bill has approval in principle of the House. It will go to committee for further study before a third vote then sent to the Senate for final approval.

For non-Canadians this registry was forced on all long gun owners. It was supposed to make Canada safer for gun control freaks. All it did was cost tax payers over 2 billion dollars and has failed to stop any crime or save anyone's life. Most of our gun crimes involve hand guns not rifles.

The vote for a Private Member's Bill is always a "free vote", meaning they don't have to vote by party line but instead by their own conscience.

I hope this Bill passes the Senate and finally puts an end to that wasteful registry.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Best of luck to you and your nation regarding this effort.

 

[KB]

I am glad to see Canada is coming to its senses. I wonder of England ever will.
People are starting to realize that guns aren't the cause of violence and gun control isn't the answer. Even in the US, fewer people support stricter controls laws.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/08/gun.control.poll/index.html

In Maryland, the police wish to drop their funding of the ballistics database because it hasn't solved a crime that wouldn't have been solved in other ways. A lot of money that should have gone to violence prevention was wasted on these silly programs.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Its going to be the Wild West! Shootouts in the streets! Ahhh!!

 

[JKing106]

Couldn't care less.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Couldn't care less.

You right-wing gun hugging neocon!

 

[yllus]

Hells yes.

 

[dainthomas]

I am glad to see Canada is coming to its senses. I wonder of England ever will.

When I first saw "House of Commons" I thought this thread was about England. Then I realized how ridiculous that would be. They'll never stand up to their government over there.

 

[sandorski]

Hopefully the Senate kills it.

 

[shortylickens]

My Canadian uncle is probably very pleased. He's tired of all the nonsense with guns up there.
He also knows that in Canada, like America, simply passing laws against guns does absolutely nothing to help lower crime rates.

 

[Iron Woode]

Hopefully the Senate kills it.

hopefully when it gets to the Senate next year, there will be more Conservatives than Liberals in the Senate to pass it and finally get rid of that Liberal fiasco and put that money towards real crime reduction.

 

[Deudalus]

The vote for a Private Member's Bill is always a "free vote", meaning they don't have to vote by party line but instead by their own conscience.

Not to change the subject but WTF?

 

[yllus]

Hopefully the Senate kills it.

Big surprise, sandorski wants the unelected, member-for-life, Liberal-dominated Senate to override the will of the people.

 

[sandorski]

Big surprise, sandorski wants the unelected, member-for-life, Liberal-dominated Senate to override the will of the people.

What "Will of the People"? All I see is an attempt to get rid of something after viewing a Report on it, but before releasing it to the Public.

Stinks of desperation.

 

[Nebor]

What "Will of the People"? All I see is an attempt to get rid of something after viewing a Report on it, but before releasing it to the Public.

Stinks of desperation.

The registry cost several times what it was supposed to, hasn't solved any crimes, and best of all, since it's publicly available, has led to the theft of many guns. Total failure.

 

[sandorski]

The registry cost several times what it was supposed to, hasn't solved any crimes, and best of all, since it's publicly available, has led to the theft of many guns. Total failure.

Yes, it Cost way more than it was supposed to, but that Cost was years ago now. It's <$10million annually at Present. Hardly a waste of $$.

The Report on the Registry is released today. Rumours have it that it shows just how useful it is.

 

[yllus]

What "Will of the People"? All I see is an attempt to get rid of something after viewing a Report on it, but before releasing it to the Public.

Stinks of desperation.

The will of the people is delivered through the actions of their elected representatives.

What's desperate is hoping that an antiquated chamber of partisan appointees will block legislation written and passed by those who have been duly elected. I can think of few things as undemocratic as that.

 

[Iron Woode]

Not to change the subject but WTF?

Normally votes are cast according to party lines. You have no choice but to vote as you are told to.

Free vote allows you to vote the way you want to and supposedly with no repercussions to you.

 

[sandorski]

The will of the people is delivered through the actions of their elected representatives.

What's desperate is hoping that an antiquated chamber of partisan appointees will block legislation written and passed by those who have been duly elected. I can think of few things as undemocratic as that.

Negative on all accounts. Parliament does not always reflect the "Will of the People". Which is why the Senate provides "Sober second thought". Was the GST the "Will of the People"? No, which is why the Conservatives were turfed. Was it a good idea? Yes.

It will be interesting to see what the Report says.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Not to change the subject but WTF?

Just because you have no clue what is being said doesn`t mean you need to act like a blabbering idiot!!

 

[yllus]

Negative on all accounts. Parliament does not always reflect the "Will of the People". Which is why the Senate provides "Sober second thought". Was the GST the "Will of the People"? No, which is why the Conservatives were turfed. Was it a good idea? Yes.

It will be interesting to see what the Report says.

Thing is, only partisan hacks like you buy into the Senate actually having a role in this day and age. I, along with anyone else without an axe to grind, do not wish to pay $100k+/year for the rest of an illiterate ex-NHL hockey coach's life because he's liable to vote the way his party wants him to.

What a bizarre interpretation you have of how the Canadian system of government works. No, Canada is not a direct democracy where the people vote on every bill. We entrust those powers to representatives we elect every X years, and when their actions are against our will, they are turfed - as the Progressive Conservatives of the early nineties were. Are you new to the country?

 

[sandorski]

Thing is, only partisan hacks like you buy into the Senate actually having a role in this day and age. I, along with anyone else without an axe to grind, do not wish to pay $100k+/year for the rest of an illiterate ex-NHL hockey coach's life because he's liable to vote the way his party wants him to.

What a bizarre interpretation you have of how the Canadian system of government works. No, Canada is not a direct democracy where the people vote on every bill. We entrust those powers to representatives we elect every X years, and when their actions are against our will, they are turfed - as the Progressive Conservatives of the early nineties were. Are you new to the country?

Is it the Partisan Hack who accepts Status Quo or is it the Partisan Hack who rejects the Status Quo?

A question for the Ages.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

What "Will of the People"? All I see is an attempt to get rid of something after viewing a Report on it, but before releasing it to the Public.

Stinks of desperation.

You mean how the REPORTs show that the registry, like all of them have done nothing to deter or solve crimes. All they have done is waste tax payer money.
It's people like you that don't want to see the problem. The problem isn't the gun or the knife or the hammer, or baseball bat. It's the piece of shit that uses it. Solve that problem before you try to solve the problem of a tool.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Negative on all accounts. Parliament does not always reflect the "Will of the People". Which is why the Senate provides "Sober second thought". Was the GST the "Will of the People"? No, which is why the Conservatives were turfed. Was it a good idea? Yes.

It will be interesting to see what the Report says.

Surely you could see how such a system could be abused. In todays age of ID theft, How hard would it be for someone to make a fake ID or copy of a real one, slap their picture on it, go buy a gun, kill someone with it and throw it down and imply that the victim of the ID theft committed the crime?

 

[sandorski]

Surely you could see how such a system could be abused. In todays age of ID theft, How hard would it be for someone to make a fake ID or copy of a real one, slap their picture on it, go buy a gun, kill someone with it and throw it down and imply that the victim of the ID theft committed the crime?

Well, anything can be and often is Abused. That's no argument against it.