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Bill passes house... now its up to the Democrats

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OneOfTheseDays said:
This is ultimately the GOP's mess. The debt ballooned out of control under their watch when they had complete control of House, Senate, and Presidency. These facts CANNOT be debated. Bush had a surplus to play with and turned it into a horrendous deficit of unimaginable proportions.

The fact that they can't admit to this is laughable and why they have ZERO credibility in my eyes. Until you can admit the truth, I won't take you seriously.
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Facts are our friends....

Democrats won both the House and Senate in the 2006 elections. National debt was at about $8 or 9 trillion then, now it's over $14 trillion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_debt_to_GDP_-_2000_to_2010.png

Fern
 
Fern said:
Facts are our friends....

Democrats won both the House and Senate in the 2006 elections. National debt was at about $8 or 9 trillion then, now it's over $14 trillion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_debt_to_GDP_-_2000_to_2010.png

Fern
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Facts aren't your friend.

Your post didn't mention the 'fact' something happened in 2008, since it's news for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_market_crash

The US would have entered an even worse crash without stimulus spending. That was prevented, while it's still bad, with too little stimulus. And even ~40% of that was 'tax cuts' thanks to the Republicans, that did not help the economy much but added again to the deficit.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/how-did-we-know-the-stimulus-was-too-small/
 
Fern said:
Facts are our friends....

Democrats won both the House and Senate in the 2006 elections. National debt was at about $8 or 9 trillion then, now it's over $14 trillion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_debt_to_GDP_-_2000_to_2010.png

Fern
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Heh. Two wars, tax cuts, an overheated & then tanked economy based on the ownership society had nothing to with any of it, I'm sure...

GWB also signed both the FY2008 budget & the 2009 budget into law, accounting for $3T of the increase, but, uhh, nevermind, right?

But now, well now, he wasn't a "true conservative" to hear the right tell it, even though they were very supportive of Bush policies, to say the least...
 
Jhhnn said:
Heh. Two wars, tax cuts, an overheated & then tanked economy based on the ownership society had nothing to with any of it, I'm sure...

GWB also signed both the FY2008 budget & the 2009 budget into law, accounting for $3T of the increase, but, uhh, nevermind, right?

But now, well now, he wasn't a "true conservative" to hear the right tell it, even though they were very supportive of Bush policies, to say the least...
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Revisionist history is the conservatives friend.
 
Jhhnn said:
Heh. Two wars, tax cuts, an overheated & then tanked economy based on the ownership society had nothing to with any of it, I'm sure...

GWB also signed both the FY2008 budget & the 2009 budget into law, accounting for $3T of the increase, but, uhh, nevermind, right?

But now, well now, he wasn't a "true conservative" to hear the right tell it, even though they were very supportive of Bush policies, to say the least...
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I'm pretty sure while watching the 2006 campaigns Pelosi Reid & Co. ran on ending the wars and balancing the budget.

It's cool how that worked out, ain't it?

The House and Senate under whose control passed the 2008 and 2009 budget's?

Fern
 
Fern said:
I'm pretty sure while watching the 2006 campaigns Pelosi Reid & Co. ran on ending the wars and balancing the budget.

It's cool how that worked out, ain't it?

The House and Senate under whose control passed the 2008 and 2009 budget's?

Fern
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Dems aren't perfect, but the other guys are the guys who started the wars and the deficits out of surpluses, and now want to create a default.
 
Fern said:
I'm pretty sure while watching the 2006 campaigns Pelosi Reid & Co. ran on ending the wars and balancing the budget.

It's cool how that worked out, ain't it?

The House and Senate under whose control passed the 2008 and 2009 budget's?

Fern
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Those budgets were passed at the urging of the Bush Admin, and were a necessary measure to prevent implosion of the economy in the collapse of the bubble of the ownership society. I haven't looked up the records, but I believe both budgets had bipartisan support. Otherwise, they'd have been stuffed by repub filibuster in the Senate.

Context matters.
 
Fern give it a rest guy you look like a complete fool.

Context matters. I understand it's hard for you conservatives to see beyond black and white, but sometimes the truth is a bit more nuanced.
 
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