Bill O'Reilly sums it up.

[agent00f]

Dude, you need to read up on all of the crazy race stuff in the left media all these years to get perspective. O'Reilly is saying that the policy of the left has been to see the world in black and white and actively work to disadvantage white...and reading much of the left media he has a point. Have you read "The case for reparations" in the Atlantic? Or slate.com or vox.com's race coverage? It is all pretty bad.

L O L : https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/whats-next-for-liberalism.2494543/page-10#post-38640290

 

[Moonbeam]

People who pride themselves on their race or even those who feel inferior because of it do so because the means by which they came to that pride or shame is because they were made to feel worthless as a human beings and only great or worthless as a member of some arbitrary race. We are a people who have lost our humanity fighting among ourselves to preserve or promote our self worth based on race. But in a society that is filled with that disease, where one group puts another down because of their race as a means to achieve a false sense of self worth, you can be assured that those they step on will join in a battle for self dignity.

There is no cure for self hate down that path. There is only endless violence. People who hate themselves look for ways to destroy themselves. Everything a person feels about other races is what he or she really feels about themselves and were taught to feel.

We will never end racism until we first see the real problem.

 

[FrankRamiro]

This is one more useless thread,there they are the F******Liberals/libertarians in full speed pandering ,you loons never give up,losers

 

[agent00f]

People who pride themselves on their race or even those who feel inferior because of it do so because the means by which they came to that pride or shame is because they were made to feel worthless as a human beings and only great or worthless as a member of some arbitrary race. We are a people who have lost our humanity fighting among ourselves to preserve or promote our self worth based on race. But in a society that is filled with that disease, where one group puts another down because of their race as a means to achieve a false sense of self worth, you can be assured that those they step on will join in a battle for self dignity.

There is no cure for self hate down that path. There is only endless violence. People who hate themselves look for ways to destroy themselves. Everything a person feels about other races is what he or she really feels about themselves and were taught to feel.

We will never end racism until we first see the real problem.

There's an evolutionary benefit to collective tard strength even along somewhat arbitrary lines. It's only natural that the least effective thinkers fulfilled their natural instinctive inclinations.

 

[agent00f]

This is one more useless thread,there they are the F******Liberals/libertarians in full speed pandering ,you loons never give up,losers

I imagine this is just like what motivated Nathan Poe to formulate his law.

 

[kage69]

Irony of all ironies...

The black Democrat guy completely co-operates in the peaceful transfer of power when his party loses.(US)

The white Republicans try to take away power away from the incoming Governor when they lose. (NC)

Funny how that works, isn't it? Dems lose, 'get over it.' Pubs lose and they act entitled to behave like petulant brats, who want to piss in the pool after it's their time to get out. Really mixes well with this republican myth of voter fraud, and the subsequent talk of preserving the integrity of the vote. Not Democratic votes though.

Poor NC, their precious institutionalized racism is threatened by democracy and transgender people who want to use the bathroom. Soooo fucking stupid, not to mention anti-American. I feel sorry for the people in NC who are rightfully furious about this.

 

[Moonbeam]

There's an evolutionary benefit to collective tard strength even along somewhat arbitrary lines. It's only natural that the least effective thinkers fulfilled their natural instinctive inclinations.

A superficial analysis as usual. No insight into why there are less effective thinkers or what that actually means. You are just another racists with two different races, smart people like you and that other group, the tards. I fully understand, however, that the effort to heal yourself would open your ego up to the concept of shame. Bigotry is always painful to face.

 

[JSt0rm]

what whites are fearful of is minorities treating them as badly as whites treated them. weird sentence but thats it lol.

 

[momeNt]

It a vestigial instrument of another time which is no longer useful since it's primary reason for existing is obsolete. The representation of small states in the legislature is in no way diminished so I fail to see a persuasive reason for retaining it.

Is the same true for the basic concepts of a Federal government?

 

[ivwshane]

A superficial analysis as usual. No insight into why there are less effective thinkers or what that actually means. You are just another racists with two different races, smart people like you and that other group, the tards. I fully understand, however, that the effort to heal yourself would open your ego up to the concept of shame. Bigotry is always painful to face.

You've been "fighting" for a while now to reach people who suffer from CBD, how effective do you think you've been? Agent is simply doing the same thing you've been doing, he's just using a different technique.

How do you reach the seemingly unreachable? As far as I can tell there hasn't been a single solution that has worked.

If you can't beat them, join them. Right? I suspect your heart says no and while you've been struggling to figure out how to resolve the conflict, those you have been trying to reach continue on making progress towards their ideal reality. Eventually you (we) may figure it out but by then it may be too late.

 

[agent00f]

A superficial analysis as usual. No insight into why there are less effective thinkers or what that actually means. You are just another racists with two different races, smart people like you and that other group, the tards. I fully understand, however, that the effort to heal yourself would open your ego up to the concept of shame. Bigotry is always painful to face.

The insight here is that collective bigotry allows the ineffective thinkers to punch above their weigh as a group. The insight behind evolution is that no smarter mechanism is necessary other than a benefit however marginal.

You're generally correct that I'm elitist, because there's a great material difference between doing well and poorly. I would like to believe you wouldn't prefer to argue against a poor thinker, so it's hardly a discrimination you avoid yourself.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude, you need to read up on all of the crazy race stuff in the left media all these years to get perspective. O'Reilly is saying that the policy of the left has been to see the world in black and white and actively work to disadvantage white...and reading much of the left media he has a point. Have you read "The case for reparations" in the Atlantic? Or slate.com or vox.com's race coverage? It is all pretty bad.

Exquisitely vague, of course. The Left only works to disadvantage whites in the sense that raising the status of minorities accomplishes that in a relative sort of way. It's not like skin color should carry any inherent advantage, is it?

 

[xthetenth]

Dude, you need to read up on all of the crazy race stuff in the left media all these years to get perspective. O'Reilly is saying that the policy of the left has been to see the world in black and white and actively work to disadvantage white...and reading much of the left media he has a point. Have you read "The case for reparations" in the Atlantic? Or slate.com or vox.com's race coverage? It is all pretty bad.

Have you actually read it? It's an excellent tallying of the many political and economic injuries that have been piled upon black people in a time period that gets minimized. We must be approaching history from dramatically different perspectives if you think it's pretty bad. History should recount the truth, not minimize the past in order to make certain groups feel better about themselves and let them pretend their achievements were fairly won. At least the right's consistent though, they don't want to hear the truth about the history of race in this nation, they don't want to hear what the CDC would have to say about gun violence and now it looks like they don't want to hear about the climate.

 

[superstition]

O'Reilly is good at summing things up, if you know enough to see what he's actually summing up.

Pro tip: It's not what most people think he's saying.


Example: "I don't see color."

Translation: "I don't mind racism."

 

[desura]

Like, in slate.com a few years ago there was a letter from a gay couple who said that they were afraid that the handyman they hired wore a USA shirt and so they thought he was a racist bigot.

Not making this up.

And I mean, there is this way that people try to transfer black racism to other groups and try to act like they are all as equally asa grieved as blacks

Exquisitely vague, of course. The Left only works to disadvantage whites in the sense that raising the status of minorities accomplishes that in a relative sort of way. It's not like skin color should carry any inherent advantage, is it?

No, the Left should be working in a "rising tide lifts all boats" manner, not lifting specific boats that it identifies while ignoring others.

 

[desura]

Have you actually read it? It's an excellent tallying of the many political and economic injuries that have been piled upon black people in a time period that gets minimized. We must be approaching history from dramatically different perspectives if you think it's pretty bad. History should recount the truth, not minimize the past in order to make certain groups feel better about themselves and let them pretend their achievements were fairly won. At least the right's consistent though, they don't want to hear the truth about the history of race in this nation, they don't want to hear what the CDC would have to say about gun violence and now it looks like they don't want to hear about the climate.

I have read it. And...it is a very narrow slice of history, I'm sorry, it was kind of disorganized and rambling relying on anecdotes.

If you read the line from the Left here, they pretty much depict America as a prison camp in which all success by everyone here is illegitimate and in some way is moral theft because there were black slaves. This is pretty dangerous stuff. It erodes respect for rights or respect for individual success. It is justification for widespread confiscation of property.

 

[MajinCry]

Thusly, we must give racists equal consideration as we would give their victims. (e.g) We'll give predominately rich-in-melanin communities better schools, but we won't allow those schools to be funded a month after their creation.

See? The left gets their better schools, the right gets their eventual segregation. Wonderful.

 

[nakedfrog]

I have read it. And...it is a very narrow slice of history, I'm sorry, it was kind of disorganized and rambling relying on anecdotes.

If you read the line from the Left here, they pretty much depict America as a prison camp in which all success by everyone here is illegitimate and in some way is moral theft because there were black slaves. This is pretty dangerous stuff. It erodes respect for rights or respect for individual success.

I don't even know how to successfully engage with someone that believes this. It's like trying to play poker with someone and they insist on using pick-up-sticks on their turn.

It is justification for widespread confiscation of property.

Are you sure you read the article?

 

[MajinCry]

I don't even know how to successfully engage with someone that believes this. It's like trying to play poker with someone and they insist on using pick-up-sticks on their turn.

You can't reason with irrational people. Facts don't matter when the imagination takes precedence. Wouldn't be nearing a Trump presidency if that wasn't the case.

 

[desura]

Thusly, we must give racists equal consideration as we would give their victims. (e.g) We'll give predominately rich-in-melanin communities better schools, but we won't allow those schools to be funded a month after their creation.

See? The left gets their better schools, the right gets their eventual segregation. Wonderful.

Well, another problem with the Left is that it went beyond repealing legal segregation and it went into legally forcing integration. This messed with people's kids, forced them to go out of their way for the sake of integration, exposed them to potential violence that exists in minority communities. The Left would often work along a very narrow paradigm--percentage of blacks to whites--while ignoring a whole host of other factors which determine the desirability of a community or of a school.

Schools anyways are a reflection of the community. The worst trained teacher can shine if she is given easy kids to deal with, and kids are just a reflection of their home environment. Which means that all of the school funding in the world, which by the way is already pretty high, won't matter as long as they are going home to whatever situation they are in. There is also issue of local community rule, the problems of taking from one community and giving to another.

 

[MrSquished]

Wow O'Reilly had a moment of clarity and blurted it out. I'm ferklempt.

 

[desura]

I don't even know how to successfully engage with someone that believes this. It's like trying to play poker with someone and they insist on using pick-up-sticks on their turn.

Are you sure you read the article?

I gave that article as a prominent example. I am saying that there has been a pattern of "success is theft" articles coming out of left leaning publications these past few years, and from that author's body of work.

 

[agent00f]

Well, another problem with the Left is that it went beyond repealing legal segregation and it went into legally forcing integration. This messed with people's kids, forced them to go out of their way for the sake of integration, exposed them to potential violence that exists in minority communities. The Left would often work along a very narrow paradigm--percentage of blacks to whites--while ignoring a whole host of other factors which determine the desirability of a community or of a school.

Schools anyways are a reflection of the community. The worst trained teacher can shine if she is given easy kids to deal with, and kids are just a reflection of their home environment. Which means that all of the school funding in the world, which by the way is already pretty high, won't matter as long as they are going home to whatever situation they are in. There is also issue of local community rule, the problems of taking from one community and giving to another.

Damn those minorities are so dumb to live in shitty conditions; better wall them up to be safe. They might even start collecting the white people welfare.

 

[xthetenth]

No, the Left should be working in a "rising tide lifts all boats" manner, not lifting specific boats that it identifies while ignoring others.

The left should be acknowledging that some boats have had holes cut in them as well because that's a prerequisite for the boat floating in the first place.

I have read it. And...it is a very narrow slice of history, I'm sorry, it was kind of disorganized and rambling relying on anecdotes.

Last I checked it was a focused vertical slice in that it discussed household wealth and how the prejudices and inequalities of each decade built on the last and made things worse. It's a useful view in that more often you get a single event shorn of context or a horizontal slice where you see all the injustices of a time period and can nicely and neatly put them into a box where they belong to that period and you don't have to confront the ramifications of the past on the present.

If you read the line from the Left here, they pretty much depict America as a prison camp in which all success by everyone here is illegitimate and in some way is moral theft because there were black slaves. This is pretty dangerous stuff. It erodes respect for rights or respect for individual success. It is justification for widespread confiscation of property.

You're using a very shaky interpretation of a small cross section of the left's output as justification for a huge claim. It's particularly amusing that what you're discussing is in fact on the subject of what eroded respect for rights and respect for success actually looks like in this nation. It looks like systematic destruction of wealth by locking a demographic out of opportunity and then having the temerity to claim that the game isn't rigged and that discussing the subject is unnecessarily incendiary.

I gave that article as a prominent example. I am saying that there has been a pattern of "success is theft" articles coming out of left leaning publications these past few years, and from that author's body of work.

It's interesting that your synopsis of coverage about how minorities were prevented from taking advantage of opportunities afforded to whites is "success is theft". It's almost dishonest in how reductive it is, and it's interesting in how it rephrases it in much more objectionably absolute terms, as well as how it revolves around the legitimacy of white success, or as I suspect the real issue is, your success (mine too if you're curious, but I've got no problems acknowledging I've been inordinately lucky in life and that particular issues I've had would have been magnified hugely by some of society's issues had I been born a different race).

 

[desura]

The left should be acknowledging that some boats have had holes cut in them as well because that's a prerequisite for the boat floating in the first place.



Last I checked it was a focused vertical slice in that it discussed household wealth and how the prejudices and inequalities of each decade built on the last and made things worse. It's a useful view in that more often you get a single event shorn of context or a horizontal slice where you see all the injustices of a time period and can nicely and neatly put them into a box where they belong to that period and you don't have to confront the ramifications of the past on the present.



You're using a very shaky interpretation of a small cross section of the left's output as justification for a huge claim. It's particularly amusing that what you're discussing is in fact on the subject of what eroded respect for rights and respect for success actually looks like in this nation. It looks like systematic destruction of wealth by locking a demographic out of opportunity and then having the temerity to claim that the game isn't rigged and that discussing the subject is unnecessarily incendiary.



It's interesting that your synopsis of coverage about how minorities were prevented from taking advantage of opportunities afforded to whites is "success is theft". It's almost dishonest in how reductive it is, and it's interesting in how it rephrases it in much more objectionably absolute terms, as well as how it revolves around the legitimacy of white success, or as I suspect the real issue is, your success (mine too if you're curious, but I've got no problems acknowledging I've been inordinately lucky in life and that particular issues I've had would have been magnified hugely by some of society's issues had I been born a different race).

The Case for Reparations focused on housing discrimination, which sure, was real and it hindered success by black americans. It portrayed a sympathetic portrait of an older black man recounting how he had been wronged. But reparations is a term which encompasses all of the institution of slavery and that isn't addressed or grappled with, despite the title. So what you had with that article was something very manipulative. It got white liberals especially fired up about reparations because they liked this older black man who had been historically wronged. But reparations is not just about housing discrimination, though I agree that there should be some sort of redress for this specific recent failure. There have been claims that if you took all of the hours worked by slaves, gave them minimum wage, then tabulated interest, you reach $100 trillion. So people who are all gung-ho about that article don't realize this. There are a whole host of issues with reparations which aren't addressed at all in the article, and which make it unworkable.

The Left pretty much has as its central worldview, slavery. They act like Hispanics were slaves, or gays were slaves, transgender were slaves, etc. It is ridiculous how they try to transplant black slavery into every single issue under the sun. I've watched my share of Jon Stewart and he never fails to tie in slavery with the Constitution. The Right has the Founding Fathers of America. This is about what Bill O'Reilly said, which is in reaction to the leftist worldview that all American success is morally tainted by slavery.