Bill O'Reilly Loses His Damn Mind

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Check out this from a local TV station.

According to court records, Alfredo has a criminal history, all misdemeanors. In October 2006, Ramos was charged with drunk in public. In November 2007, he was charged with driving without a license, identity theft, no seat belt, and no insurance. In January 2007, he was charged with pubic swearing and intoxication.

Despite all the above the local authorities never took actions to have this guy removed from the country.
That is the problem here.

Just by being in this country the guy was breaking the law, but too many people want to ignore that fact. The Virginia Beach police department policy is to only take action against an illegal if they commit a felony, are involved with terrorism or street gangs, or have been involved in the smuggling of other illegals into the country.

For the record I spent nine years of my life in the Virginia Beach area. It's a beautiful place to live and I noticed no problem with illegals while I was there.

I agree with the fact that the guy should have never been in the states to drunk drive. But that is secondary to the fact that he is a repeat offender.

Look at it this way, if we removed ALL illegal aliens, sent them back home...people would still die by drunk drivers....and people would still die by repeat drunk drivers. That is the primary issue. But numnuts like OReilly want to make illegal immigration the primaary issue over drunk driving..and I don't agree with that.

 

[ProfJohn]

If anybody wants to see a public official working hard to save his ass go read some of the statements by the police chief.

If he is elected he might as well kiss his job good-bye.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Check out this from a local TV station.

According to court records, Alfredo has a criminal history, all misdemeanors. In October 2006, Ramos was charged with drunk in public. In November 2007, he was charged with driving without a license, identity theft, no seat belt, and no insurance. In January 2007, he was charged with pubic swearing and intoxication.

Despite all the above the local authorities never took actions to have this guy removed from the country.
That is the problem here.

Just by being in this country the guy was breaking the law, but too many people want to ignore that fact. The Virginia Beach police department policy is to only take action against an illegal if they commit a felony, are involved with terrorism or street gangs, or have been involved in the smuggling of other illegals into the country.

For the record I spent nine years of my life in the Virginia Beach area. It's a beautiful place to live and I noticed no problem with illegals while I was there.

I agree with the fact that the guy should have never been in the states to drunk drive. But that is secondary to the fact that he is a repeat offender.

Look at it this way, if we removed ALL illegal aliens, sent them back home...people would still die by drunk drivers....and people would still die by repeat drunk drivers. That is the primary issue. But numnuts like OReilly want to make illegal immigration the primaary issue over drunk driving..and I don't agree with that.

If this guy was removed after the first time he was arrested the two girls would still be alive.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Check out this from a local TV station.

According to court records, Alfredo has a criminal history, all misdemeanors. In October 2006, Ramos was charged with drunk in public. In November 2007, he was charged with driving without a license, identity theft, no seat belt, and no insurance. In January 2007, he was charged with pubic swearing and intoxication.

Despite all the above the local authorities never took actions to have this guy removed from the country.
That is the problem here.

Just by being in this country the guy was breaking the law, but too many people want to ignore that fact. The Virginia Beach police department policy is to only take action against an illegal if they commit a felony, are involved with terrorism or street gangs, or have been involved in the smuggling of other illegals into the country.

For the record I spent nine years of my life in the Virginia Beach area. It's a beautiful place to live and I noticed no problem with illegals while I was there.

I agree with the fact that the guy should have never been in the states to drunk drive. But that is secondary to the fact that he is a repeat offender.

Look at it this way, if we removed ALL illegal aliens, sent them back home...people would still die by drunk drivers....and people would still die by repeat drunk drivers. That is the primary issue. But numnuts like OReilly want to make illegal immigration the primaary issue over drunk driving..and I don't agree with that.

If this guy was removed after the first time he was arrested the two girls would still be alive.

I agree. What more do you want?

but is illegal immigration the primary issue? or the fact that he was a repeat drunk driver?

what if he wasnt illegal? would we be having this same discussion? I dont think so.

edit: let me rephrase

If he was just a regular joeschmore repeat offender, no one would care..and two girls would still be dead.

why is that Prof??

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
The problem is is that orielly is trying to use this event to smear illegal immigrants as criminals, and this being a result of illegal immigration.

The bigger problem are people refuse to see the obvious and that is ALL illegal immigrants are in fact criminals period!

Also a vast majority of them are not coming to find "work" they come for the free ride and to commit crimes. Did you know there are more illegal immigrants in the American prison system than Native born Americans? Did you know it has been estimated that up to 46% of illegal immigrants are collecting welfare, most of whom are working under the table jobs at the same time?

Did you know that Mexico gives out literature to these people on their way to the US describing in detail how to get on welfare and get other government be it State or Federal services including medical benefits for free?

nooo that isn't the issue, you guys are all falling for it. The issue is that repeat drunk drivers are killing people.

It is about drunk driving. Not all drunk drivers are illegals. Don't make the mistake Bill Orielly wants you to make.

So what do you propose to do about drunk drivers who are illegals, take their drivers license away?

 

[ProfJohn]

I don?t have kids of my own, but the thought of burying one of my nieces or nephews is horrifying. You spend all that time, effort and love into raising your children and then have it all taken away by a person who could have been taken off the street six months earlier had the authorities in our country done their job.

The job of the police it to protect us and to enforce our laws. However, many immigration rights activists want to make the act of entering the country illegal not a crime.

I fully understand that the idea of sending every illegal back to Mexico is unworkable. However we can create a one strike you are out law and effectively remove every illegal who is arrested for ANY crime that puts the public at risk. Arrested twice for being drunk in public and once for driving without a license doesn?t take a genius to figure out that sooner or later he would put those two together.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
The problem is is that orielly is trying to use this event to smear illegal immigrants as criminals, and this being a result of illegal immigration.

The bigger problem are people refuse to see the obvious and that is ALL illegal immigrants are in fact criminals period!

Also a vast majority of them are not coming to find "work" they come for the free ride and to commit crimes. Did you know there are more illegal immigrants in the American prison system than Native born Americans? Did you know it has been estimated that up to 46% of illegal immigrants are collecting welfare, most of whom are working under the table jobs at the same time?

Did you know that Mexico gives out literature to these people on their way to the US describing in detail how to get on welfare and get other government be it State or Federal services including medical benefits for free?

nooo that isn't the issue, you guys are all falling for it. The issue is that repeat drunk drivers are killing people.

It is about drunk driving. Not all drunk drivers are illegals. Don't make the mistake Bill Orielly wants you to make.

So what do you propose to do about drunk drivers who are illegals, take their drivers license away?

no,

deport them.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I don?t have kids of my own, but the thought of burying one of my nieces or nephews is horrifying. You spend all that time, effort and love into raising your children and then have it all taken away by a person who could have been taken off the street six months earlier had the authorities in our country done their job.

The job of the police it to protect us and to enforce our laws. However, many immigration rights activists want to make the act of entering the country illegal not a crime.

I fully understand that the idea of sending every illegal back to Mexico is unworkable. However we can create a one strike you are out law and effectively remove every illegal who is arrested for ANY crime that puts the public at risk. Arrested twice for being drunk in public and once for driving without a license doesn?t take a genius to figure out that sooner or later he would put those two together.

Eliminate the jobs by fining the hell out of and/or jailing their employers and they would have to leave on their own accord.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I don?t have kids of my own, but the thought of burying one of my nieces or nephews is horrifying. You spend all that time, effort and love into raising your children and then have it all taken away by a person who could have been taken off the street six months earlier had the authorities in our country done their job.

The job of the police it to protect us and to enforce our laws. However, many immigration rights activists want to make the act of entering the country illegal not a crime.

I fully understand that the idea of sending every illegal back to Mexico is unworkable. However we can create a one strike you are out law and effectively remove every illegal who is arrested for ANY crime that puts the public at risk. Arrested twice for being drunk in public and once for driving without a license doesn?t take a genius to figure out that sooner or later he would put those two together.

no need to change laws. Just deport them.

isnt that what police are supposed to do?

Now, get back to the REAL issue....drunk driving and REPEAT drunk drivers.

DO you see how that is the REAL issue? the girls didnt die because he was illegal...they died because he was a drunk driver....a repeat drunk driver.

I have to wonder why people care so much over the fact that he was an illegal.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: OrByte
I agree. What more do you want?

but is illegal immigration the primary issue? or the fact that he was a repeat drunk driver?

what if he wasnt illegal? would we be having this same discussion? I dont think so.

edit: let me rephrase

If he was just a regular joeschmore repeat offender, no one would care..and two girls would still be dead.

why is that Prof??

You are throwing up a straw man. We aren't talking about a regular repeat offender.

We are talking about a person who could have been removed from the streets and sent back to his own country in an act that would have been legal and morally acceptable.

However, a few activists have decided that enforcing the laws when it comes to illegal aliens is politically incorrect.

The issue here is not drunk drivers, but whether we should removed illegals who repeatedly break our laws. By my counting the guy broke 6 laws BEFORE he killed those two girls. And yet not one step was taken to remove him.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
The problem is is that orielly is trying to use this event to smear illegal immigrants as criminals, and this being a result of illegal immigration.

The bigger problem are people refuse to see the obvious and that is ALL illegal immigrants are in fact criminals period!

Also a vast majority of them are not coming to find "work" they come for the free ride and to commit crimes. Did you know there are more illegal immigrants in the American prison system than Native born Americans? Did you know it has been estimated that up to 46% of illegal immigrants are collecting welfare, most of whom are working under the table jobs at the same time?

Did you know that Mexico gives out literature to these people on their way to the US describing in detail how to get on welfare and get other government be it State or Federal services including medical benefits for free?

nooo that isn't the issue, you guys are all falling for it. The issue is that repeat drunk drivers are killing people.

It is about drunk driving. Not all drunk drivers are illegals. Don't make the mistake Bill Orielly wants you to make.

So what do you propose to do about drunk drivers who are illegals, take their drivers license away?

no,

deport them.

It's been a year or two but there used to be a thrad on this forum about how they had to stop DUI checkpoints someplace out in CA because they were catching too many illegals with no driver license and their employers were pissed and it was costing the county too much money to deport. They just come back anyway, unless you want to fly them down to Mexico City.... or farther.

I think we should jail them as we catch them and make them build the boarder fence. Then when their sentence is done we take them by the bus load and dump them off in Mexico City.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
The problem is is that orielly is trying to use this event to smear illegal immigrants as criminals, and this being a result of illegal immigration. Fact is this happened because someone decided to drive drunk, not because they immigrated illegally. The fact is is that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than natives. if you want to reduce crime, deport the natives.

The point is if the local govt was doing what it is supposed to do, deport illegal immigrants, then this dope wouldnt be around to kill somebody by driving drunk again.

It is outrageous to think this guy was busted several times and yet the local govt did nothing to send them home.

 

[jacko49]

Bill O'Reilly is RIGHT,if this drunk was deported ages ago (as the LAW required to),he wouldn't`t be HERE to kill in any way possible.half this forum believe in geraldo`s side unfortunately,but this applies to Iraq as well,meaning if the troops would stop being a polite considerate soft hearted,and be like they did the job in japan /Germany way back and start from the ashes up,then there would be much less casualties as of now.BTW where is narmer the provocateur antisemitic(must be my bad spell i put on him......

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: OrByte
I agree. What more do you want?

but is illegal immigration the primary issue? or the fact that he was a repeat drunk driver?

what if he wasnt illegal? would we be having this same discussion? I dont think so.

edit: let me rephrase

If he was just a regular joeschmore repeat offender, no one would care..and two girls would still be dead.

why is that Prof??

You are throwing up a straw man. We aren't talking about a regular repeat offender.

We are talking about a person who could have been removed from the streets and sent back to his own country in an act that would have been legal and morally acceptable.

However, a few activists have decided that enforcing the laws when it comes to illegal aliens is politically incorrect.

The issue here is not drunk drivers, but whether we should removed illegals who repeatedly break our laws. By my counting the guy broke 6 laws BEFORE he killed those two girls. And yet not one step was taken to remove him.

that isnt a straw man...that is simply the real problem, the actual problem that killed those girls. You just want to politicise the real problem just like oreilly, that is sad.

drunk driving killed those girls. But you dont care, you see it as an opportunity to push a political agenda.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: OrByte
that isnt a straw man...that is simply the real problem, the actual problem that killed those girls. You just want to politicise the real problem just like oreilly, that is sad.

drunk driving killed those girls. But you dont care, you see it as an opportunity to push a political agenda.

If this guy had been deported after his first arrest would he have been around to kill those two girls?

Simple question.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: OrByte
that isnt a straw man...that is simply the real problem, the actual problem that killed those girls. You just want to politicise the real problem just like oreilly, that is sad.

drunk driving killed those girls. But you dont care, you see it as an opportunity to push a political agenda.

If this guy had been deported after his first arrest would he have been around to kill those two girls?

Simple question.

Why make this about drunk driving? Lets go against the automobile manufacture that killed these girls. Sh1t, stupid ass liberals wanna go against the gun manufactures for gun related deaths, why the fvck are they such hypocrites.

 

[Darkhawk28]

O'Reilly is right that the illegal shouldn't have been in the country to begin with. Geraldo is right to point out that O'Reilly is using it to score a cheap political point.

A lot of "Well, if this person wasn't.... {insert reasoning}"'s could be used in almost every scenario like this.

Geraldo is also right that this country lures illegals in with promises of jobs and a betterlife. I keep reading "They're all criminals. Lock them up." but keep supporting the politicians that are bought and paid for by the same corporations that utilize that illegal labor force. Plus, it's people like O'Reilly that mostly enjoys the fruits of illegal immigrant's labor.

O'Reilly's fake indignation is really disgusting. He could give a sh*t less about the victim in this case. Remember this is the same motherf*cker that said that the kidnap victim in Missouri was "enjoying" being away from his family because he didn't have to do any chores, homework, etc. I'm sure every 14 year-old likes ritual sodomy as well.

To take O'Reilly's position is really just simplistic thinking with a touch of xenophobia as well.

For now, leave the family to mourn. Please.

 

[babylon5]

Illegal Killing Americans continues: Director of "A Christmas Story" killed by Illegal driving drunk
Illegal driving Illegally while drinking Illegally.

Driver accused in crash that killed director pleads not guilty
The man at the wheel of an SUV that killed Bob Clark and his son had a blood-alcohol level three times the legal limit, police say.

By Valerie Reitman and Andrew Blankstein
Times Staff Writers

3:19 PM PDT, April 6, 2007

Hector Velazquez-Nava, the driver accused of causing the crash that killed movie director Bob Clark and his son, pleaded not guilty today to a pair of counts of gross vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated.

He remains in custody at Van Nuys Jail with bail set at $200,000, said Jane Robison, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office.

Velazquez-Nava, 24, had a blood alcohol level three times the legal limit when the crash occurred early Wednesday on Pacific Coast Highway, police said. He is a native of Mexico who federal authorities said was in the U.S. illegally.

The crash killed Clark, the director of "A Christmas Story" and the "Porky's" movies, and his son Ariel, 22.

Velazquez-Nava suffered minor injuries in the accident.

The high-speed collision left the mangled vehicles about 100 feet apart amid a long trail of debris, including parts of wheels, undercarriages and axles.

The passenger sides of both vehicles sustained the heaviest damage, indicating that Velazquez-Nava may have swerved toward the ocean and Clark the opposite way as they collided at high speed.

Velazquez-Nava had a blood alcohol level of 0.24 percent, three times the 0.08 legal limit for driving. There was no evidence the Clarks had been drinking, police said.

Velazquez-Nava does not have documentation of legal U.S. residency, nor does he appear to have ever had a U.S. driver's license, authorities said.

Velazquez-Nava lives in Los Angeles, but little other information was available. He told authorities that he was on his way from Hollywood to West Covina when he crashed, although he was traveling in the opposite direction.

Law enforcement sources said Velazquez-Nava pleaded guilty in 2005 in Los Angeles to a prostitution-related charge and was sentenced to two years' probation. He could face at least four to 10 years imprisonment if convicted of vehicular manslaughter.


LINK

 

[Harvey]

What a freaking cartoon show. Keith Olbermann ran that video and, in a turnabout from his "Worst Person In The World" segment, he named Rivera; "BEST Person In The World." :laugh:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I don?t have kids of my own, but the thought of burying one of my nieces or nephews is horrifying.

You spend all that time, effort and love into raising your children and then have it all taken away by a person who could have been taken off the street six months earlier had the authorities in our country done their job.

But the "authorities" are operating on instructions from your heroes. 😕

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: OrByte
that isnt a straw man...that is simply the real problem, the actual problem that killed those girls. You just want to politicise the real problem just like oreilly, that is sad.

drunk driving killed those girls. But you dont care, you see it as an opportunity to push a political agenda.

If this guy had been deported after his first arrest would he have been around to kill those two girls?

Simple question.

I answered your 'simple question'

at least twice already

you still want to politicize the deaths of those two girls?

That is the second time I've asked.

 

[ProfJohn]

Orbyte, I want to politicize the fact that our police officers are not enforcing the laws that are already on the books.

He should have been removed after his first arrest. I don't think I am asking to much.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
The problem is is that orielly is trying to use this event to smear illegal immigrants as criminals, and this being a result of illegal immigration.

The bigger problem are people refuse to see the obvious and that is ALL illegal immigrants are in fact criminals period!

Also a vast majority of them are not coming to find "work" they come for the free ride and to commit crimes. Did you know there are more illegal immigrants in the American prison system than Native born Americans? Did you know it has been estimated that up to 46% of illegal immigrants are collecting welfare, most of whom are working under the table jobs at the same time?

I can make up statistics and broad stereotypes too.

Did you know that Mexico gives out literature to these people on their way to the US describing in detail how to get on welfare and get other government be it State or Federal services including medical benefits for free?

Actually, I did know that such literature was distributed in Mexico. Do you have a point, oyther than that mexico has too many people chasing too few jobs and we have to few people chasing too many jobs? That said I would perfer our labor shortage be delt with through legal means, which means massively increasing the number of work visas as well as immigration quotas.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko
Socio beat me to it.

I was going to say that illegal immigrants crime rate is... 100%

They are ALL breaking the law. Build a frickin fence, NOW!

it was pointed out that crossing a border illegally is in fact not a crime, its the equivilent of a parking infraction or a small speeding ticket.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Check out this from a local TV station.

According to court records, Alfredo has a criminal history, all misdemeanors. In October 2006, Ramos was charged with drunk in public. In November 2007, he was charged with driving without a license, identity theft, no seat belt, and no insurance. In January 2007, he was charged with pubic swearing and intoxication.

Despite all the above the local authorities never took actions to have this guy removed from the country.
That is the problem here.

Just by being in this country the guy was breaking the law, but too many people want to ignore that fact. The Virginia Beach police department policy is to only take action against an illegal if they commit a felony, are involved with terrorism or street gangs, or have been involved in the smuggling of other illegals into the country.

For the record I spent nine years of my life in the Virginia Beach area. It's a beautiful place to live and I noticed no problem with illegals while I was there.

If I recall, identity theft (which in this case i assume means having a fake id) is a felony.