Bill Gates ant-hurricane patents

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: mutz
no, no,
stimulation after stimulation, testings, water&air tunnels, whatever etc. you get the best effort solution, and go,
you estimate how it'll go, u can't get it 100% accurate but you can probably get close,
it's been erlier mentioned, about the effects of cooling such protion may lead to, an estimate, they claimed it'll also bring some food from the bottoms,
then after they give it the 1st try, calculating the consiquences +- they'll be probably able to do a much more professional work next time,
basically it seems we speek almost the same, there is no reason to go head to head about it,
i think wel'll have to try,
u wouldn't be flying an airplane if you knew everything about it before,
you probably wouldn't get into space,
sometimes you just have to take risks and trust yourself, trust your knowledge, and go searching in places you'r knowledge corrently can't reach in order to understand more,
if it'll work, and i guess it will, it'll be a great achievement,
both for science and for a better stability through the entire world.

You only see one side of the risks. What if it goes wrong, stalls the Gulf Stream current, and causes an ice age? Even if you hooked up every computer on the planet and tried to simulate this with any degree of accuracy, you would be waiting a few hundred years for the simulation to finish.

 

[mutz]

Cyclo, nobody is going to stop an 800-1200M deep corrent going 5kmph by pumping some water at it's surface on an 100-200 square km strip,
cooling it's surface at only few degrees for couple of days in a week, two-three times a year.
i'm 100% positive, a CAT5 hurricane has a MUCH larger effect than this .
i'm not being hasty here, you just got to relax a bit :laugh: .

 

[Gibsons]

No, his concerns are legit. A significant change in surface temperature of the water can have vast, far-reaching effects. i.e. El Nino Changing the gulf stream is just one example, although an extreme one.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: mutz
Cyclo, nobody is going to stop an 800-1200M deep corrent going 5kmph by pumping some water at it's surface on an 100-200 square km strip,
cooling it's surface at only few degrees for couple of days in a week, two-three times a year.
i'm 100% positive, a CAT5 hurricane has a MUCH larger effect than this .
i'm not being hasty here, you just got to relax a bit :laugh: .

Since you're the resident expert on natural convection here, please explain it for us lay people.

 

[mutz]

A significant change in surface temperature of the water can have vast, far-reaching effects. i.e. El Nino Changing the gulf stream is just one example, although an extreme one.

yeah, it seems to be a very delicate global system,
every change, every touch might trigger other effects, you'r concern is now better understood,
no one can foresee the implications of such act, definetly not with the corrent hardware, it might have some consequences,
i won't go far as Cyclo did, "Ice age", and it's very dangerous to start jumping into all sort of asumptions,
but being carefull here, with a saftey on, but i'll mark, that these phenomenons are basically base upon intensification of heat, either volcano's, worm air movement and probably the global worming effect,
there just isn't any other explanation to the question of how these storms has happened more frequently and got more intensified over the last years.
El-Nino is much larger, it seems to be some major distortion/happening in weather, maybe the most significant occuring weather effect in the entire world,
it seems to have records some 10,000 years ago, through later years, through the 17th century and so on, counting both it and La Nina, it's very hard to pinpoint it's cause,
i'd say, well put it aside for now, even though it is relevant.
it''s hard to estimate the side effect of such operation, and some will say, too dangerous to try, it's very irresponsible to just do it and see what happens,
bringing El-Nino to the equation is realy burdening further on,
i think if we would like to understand weather, we would realy have to get out of the womb, to step out, and carefully experiment,
i don't think, that some project such as this, will have such an enormous implications,
basically, the hurricane is doing the same thing to the ocean current, it'll cool it down, the Gulf stream is very large, were talking 100km wide, more than half a mile deep, it is strong going, ~5mph at surface level, and a bit less underneath,
it's a huge mass of flowing water,
you cannot harm it with 200 ships, "MAYBE" with 20,000 going 24/7 all year.
it is suffering from temperature changes through night and day, seasoning, strong winds, hurricanes CAT5!!, guys, this are some unbelievably strong forces!
you can't do anything to it with such as small fleet!
before the last years, hurricanes over that area were less intense, weaker, if you'll take some flame off the fire, you might get it even more balanced..
this is risky, but you can't compare it to El-Nino or the Madden Julian oscillation,
it's a comperably "small" force not to be underestimated ofcourse.
i think it's still in the standart where human beings can try things with, carefully, but play with it a little,
again very carefully ofcourse,
remember they're not planning on destroying it,
they'll be able to learn a great deal out of this effort.
we'll be folowing it all along..

 

[DrPizza]

Wasn't there an invention about 5 years ago (maybe more) where they simply did something with hollow tubes/waves to move the water from deeper to the surface - one ship could deploy hundreds of these tubes? I think I saw it in Discover, or Popular Science, or one of those types of magazines in my school's library.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wasn't there an invention about 5 years ago (maybe more) where they simply did something with hollow tubes/waves to move the water from deeper to the surface - one ship could deploy hundreds of these tubes? I think I saw it in Discover, or Popular Science, or one of those types of magazines in my school's library.

Maybe this? Fifth one down.

 

[boorns]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wasn't there an invention about 5 years ago (maybe more) where they simply did something with hollow tubes/waves to move the water from deeper to the surface - one ship could deploy hundreds of these tubes? I think I saw it in Discover, or Popular Science, or one of those types of magazines in my school's library.

Amtocean is the company. The concept is pretty much what you described.

http://www.popsci.com/node/9798

 

[KIAman]

I am not sure if humans can affect short term climate with such a small scale effort. Consider China's test ban of more than a million cars in Beijing for four days. Although traffic was markedly better, the level of pollution didn't budge. China blamed it on a lack of wind. I am sure, given enough time, pollution would eventually decrease but it just wasn't enough to affect anything in a short period.

I think there is potential in this technology and lots of scientists are working on the same premise of reducing surface temps to reduce a hurricane's power. The intention is not to completely stop a hurricane, rather reduce the power and as a side effect, reduce human damage.

As to the technology itself, I'm not comfortable with the idea of cooling surface temperature by pumping colder water from below. I'm sure they could think of other ways of doing this, like making a floating dye that reflects thermal rays from the sun that would self dissolve in a non polluting way within a week.