Bill Clinton met with AG Loretta Lynch privately in Phoenix

[WackyDan]

^^ This.

The way Clinton and Lynch have attempted to portray it, it's presented as if two people randomly ran into each other in a supermarket by accident.

As you pointed out, Bill Clinton met with her privately in a jet sitting on the tarmac of the airport.

The only reason anyone knows about this is that a reporter was tipped off about the meeting.

That meeting was no accident.

I find it extremely unlikely that he just wanted to talk about his grand kids, in fact I would say that believing that is what is delusional.

More importantly, this meeting happened and just this morning Hillary was interviewed by the FBI regarding their criminal probe of her. Coincidence again? I'm thinking not. Either way, they are either stupid or corrupt. I'm going with both.

 

[WackyDan]

Well whatever the topic she was "pleased" to have discussed it:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-email-investigation-pleased
Prison is obviously imminent.

She was pleased because the questions for the impending interview were probably given to Bill in advance on that plane by the AG.

At least, that is what anyone is free to think.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Good grief, MtP spends the first 15 minutes this morning with inane punditry on the tarmac summit, the email "controversy", and the trust "issue" before then going to Tom Cotton to probably work in Benghazi somehow. This is literally nauseating, I don't know why I bothered to turn on the TV this morning.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

She was pleased because the questions for the impending interview were probably given to Bill in advance on that plane by the AG.

At least, that is what anyone is free to think.

And if they had passed up the chance to meet despite there being an obvious and convenient chance to it would have meant they were given over even sooner and were just trying to put on the appearance of propriety.

HRC has been the most consistently scrutinized person on this planet over the past 25 years, you'd think if she was a hundredth as devious as she's treated as there would be something, anything, concrete on her instead of endless innuendo. But haters gonna hate and news is gonna "news."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And if they had passed up the chance to meet despite there being an obvious and convenient chance to it would have meant they were given over even sooner and were just trying to put on the appearance of propriety.

HRC has been the most consistently scrutinized person on this planet over the past 25 years, you'd think if she was a hundredth as devious as she's treated as there would be something, anything, concrete on her instead of endless innuendo. But haters gonna hate and news is gonna "news."

You keep missing what Lynch has been publically saying. No defense, no posturing no apologetics. Having Bill on board the plane gave an appearance of possible impropriety. That she passed crib notes isn't the thing, it's about the appearance of the office responsible for Clinton's wife. This really isn't hard to understand. She gets it. Bill doesn't comment and Hillary uses the Iraq defense "well 20/20 hindsight" and all that. Of the three only Lynch cares and gets it. Well Lynch and a heck of a lot of others.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

You keep missing what Lynch has been publically saying. No defense, no posturing no apologetics. Having Bill on board the plane gave an appearance of possible impropriety. That she passed crib notes isn't the thing, it's about the appearance of the office responsible for Clinton's wife. This really isn't hard to understand. She gets it. Bill doesn't comment and Hillary uses the Iraq defense "well 20/20 hindsight" and all that. Of the three only Lynch cares and gets it. Well Lynch and a heck of a lot of others.

If everyone except the fringe admits this was, at worst, bad optics then that itself defeats the basis for accusations of any actual impropriety. There's no indication that anything improper happened at this meeting, the fact that it *could* have isn't any grand revelation that impropriety could happen at any place or time. The attention this is getting is absurd, Lynch and Clinton should just troll everyone by saying the fix was in long before the plane meeting.

Edit: One more thing, this is twice I've seen Andrea Mitchel cast doubts on Hillary's integrity because of the actions of her husband (among I'm sure other instances). Considering the position she's in and who she's married to that's highly fucking hypocritical and I only hope at some point that same standard gets very publicly thrown back at her.

 

[Artdeco]

If everyone except the fringe admits this was, at worst, bad optics then that itself defeats the basis for accusations of any actual impropriety. There's no indication that anything improper happened at this meeting, the fact that it *could* have isn't any grand revelation that impropriety could happen at any place or time. The attention this is getting is absurd, Lynch and Clinton should just troll everyone by saying the fix was in long before the plane meeting.

I dunno, she finally agrees to an FBI interview, and the Clinton Foundation emails are hidden away till 2018, all within a week of the "poor optics" meeting.

The rumor mill is suggesting the emails are the least of her worries, think Clinton Foundation...

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I dunno, she finally agrees to an FBI interview, and the Clinton Foundation emails are hidden away till 2018, all within a week of the "poor optics" meeting.

The rumor mill is suggesting the emails are the least of her worries, think Clinton Foundation...

You'd think after all the false positives that mill keeps churning out someone would finally shut it down but apparently it still makes the $.

Edit: It just occurred to me this isn't a "where there's smoke there's fire" approach to the ongoing Clinton scrutiny, it's a "where there's crop circles and cattle mutilations there's aliens" approach. At what point do you reach "real proof or STFU?"

 

[emperus]

You keep missing what Lynch has been publically saying. No defense, no posturing no apologetics. Having Bill on board the plane gave an appearance of possible impropriety. That she passed crib notes isn't the thing, it's about the appearance of the office responsible for Clinton's wife. This really isn't hard to understand. She gets it. Bill doesn't comment and Hillary uses the Iraq defense "well 20/20 hindsight" and all that. Of the three only Lynch cares and gets it. Well Lynch and a heck of a lot of others.

And so what? The AG is a political appointee. Appointed by the same Democratic president who she sees regularly and who is going to campaign with Hilary next week. Who do you think could exert more power on her to make a decision beneficial to Hilary than the President.

I understand the optics were bad. But, beyond that, do you think anything happened or could have happened in that meeting that wasn't already going to happen? I get tired of these scandals (mostly generated by Republicans) without any there there.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

And so what? The AG is a political appointee. Appointed by the same Democratic president who she sees regularly and who is going to campaign with Hilary next week. Who do you think could exert more power on her to make a decision beneficial to Hilary than the President.

I understand the optics were bad. But, beyond that, do you think anything happened or could have happened in that meeting that wasn't already going to happen? I get tired of these scandals (mostly generated by Republicans) without any there there.

Apparently being tired of these "scandals" puts us in the minority considering how the "liberal" media continues to lead the charge on them. Ratings gold!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And so what? The AG is a political appointee. Appointed by the same Democratic president who she sees regularly and who is going to campaign with Hilary next week. Who do you think could exert more power on her to make a decision beneficial to Hilary than the President.

I understand the optics were bad. But, beyond that, do you think anything happened or could have happened in that meeting that wasn't already going to happen? I get tired of these scandals (mostly generated by Republicans) without any there there.

I suggest you stop talking to me, call up Lynch and yell at her. Since she and I are of the same opinion and she spoke to it publicly then it would be more appropriate for you to give her the devil. I'm a guy on the sidelines. She's the real object of your displeasure it seems.

I don't know how to say this any simpler. The possible appearance of conflict of interest is something that has always something to avoid. I realize it doesn't matter as much these days because one side gives a pass on their people and holds the other to a different standard, but this used to be universal and understood. It may well be that Lynch and myself are fossils and universal standards apply outside of political consideration, that some things are right to do and wrong for that matter, and guarding against creating an appearance of reasonable suspicion (that's her BTW). I find myself liking her more all the time. The other parties involved, not so much.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Have these same outlets even mentioned Trump's interactions with FL AG Bondi or then TX AG/now Gov Abbott during the Trump U investigations?

 

[Jhhnn]

You keep missing what Lynch has been publically saying. No defense, no posturing no apologetics. Having Bill on board the plane gave an appearance of possible impropriety. That she passed crib notes isn't the thing, it's about the appearance of the office responsible for Clinton's wife. This really isn't hard to understand. She gets it. Bill doesn't comment and Hillary uses the Iraq defense "well 20/20 hindsight" and all that. Of the three only Lynch cares and gets it. Well Lynch and a heck of a lot of others.

Bill did put her in a bad spot. He didn't think it through, apparently.

At this point in his life he's a bit of a social butterfly who can pretty much do what he wants. So when he got a bug up his ass that he wants to chat with Lynch there was really no way for anybody to stop him under the circumstances. There sure as Hell wasn't anything covert about it.

The notion that there was nefarious intent is quite far fetched. OTOH, the notion of Trump as president & birtherism tell us that further is better among the Repub faithful.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bill did put her in a bad spot. He didn't think it through, apparently.

At this point in his life he's a bit of a social butterfly who can pretty much do what he wants. So when he got a bug up his ass that he wants to chat with Lynch there was really no way for anybody to stop him under the circumstances. There sure as Hell wasn't anything covert about it.

The notion that there was nefarious intent is quite far fetched. OTOH, the notion of Trump as president & birtherism tell us that further is better among the Repub faithful.

As I said I'm liking her more and thinking maybe she would have been a better choice than our two current faves.

Regardless appearances matter. Maybe too much but that's how it's been, they mean something to people. Lynch gets it. I have no basis which would lead me to accuse her of wrongdoing, in fact quite the contrary. She appears to have genuine principle.

 

[emperus]

I suggest you stop talking to me, call up Lynch and yell at her. Since she and I are of the same opinion and she spoke to it publicly then it would be more appropriate for you to give her the devil. I'm a guy on the sidelines. She's the real object of your displeasure it seems.

I don't know how to say this any simpler. The possible appearance of conflict of interest is something that has always something to avoid. I realize it doesn't matter as much these days because one side gives a pass on their people and holds the other to a different standard, but this used to be universal and understood. It may well be that Lynch and myself are fossils and universal standards apply outside of political consideration, that some things are right to do and wrong for that matter, and guarding against creating an appearance of reasonable suspicion (that's her BTW). I find myself liking her more all the time. The other parties involved, not so much.

Yell at her for what? You seem to be missing the point. I agree that the optics were bad, she agrees the optics were bad. Now what? With all the stuff going on with the world, do we sit here completely enthralled in optics? It's the sensationalism of the media at play again.

Again. Lynch is a political appointee. Appointed by the same man who is campaigning with Hilary next week. If there was anything nefarious going to happen it already did. So beyond the optics, please give me the theory of what you think happened on that plane or what it could lead to. At a certain point we all have to use or brains.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, I've read other sources that indicate Clinton knew Lynch was about to arrive and delayed his departure which sort of confirms that. But, I wonder if it was an unilateral or mutual event set up before her arrival. I also read from two sources unconfirmed from the same person that Lynch had her security detail stay with her during the event but that conflicts with her story.

If I were to speculate, I'd say that the event was created to divert attention from Hillary's upcoming FBI meeting. I would not be surprised to learn in a few days that there were ears to the meeting and they confirm the no big deal aspect of the meeting.

Maybe the reason I never speculate is that I don't have the talent for it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yell at her for what? You seem to be missing the point. I agree that the optics were bad, she agrees the optics were bad. Now what? With all the stuff going on with the world, do we sit here completely enthralled in optics? It's the sensationalism of the media at play again.

Again. Lynch is a political appointee. Appointed by the same man who is campaigning with Hilary next week. If there was anything nefarious going to happen it already did. So beyond the optics, please give me the theory of what you think happened on that plane or what it could lead to. At a certain point we all have to use or brains.

I don't have a personal conspiracy theory. Lynch's attitude made me less suspicious than if she had gone on about Trump and Republicans. A good honest "well that wasn't too bright" on her part and accepting the consequence of the APPEARANCE of possible impropriety. I agree with her assessment and I think it shows something scarce as hens teeth in DC, character. If you disagree with that then call Lynch because she gets it. Nothing nefarious. Initially I wondered because of her connections that Bill might try something, but heck I can't know that. In any event she stood up and owned up to potential problems. That's the beginning and end of my opinion on the matter. I think she has potential.

 

[compuwiz1]

Have these same outlets even mentioned Trump's interactions with FL AG Bondi or then TX AG/now Gov Abbott during the Trump U investigations?

Apples and Oranges, dip shit. Clinton is under criminal investigation by the FBI. Not saying Trump isn't a scumbag too, but his are civil matters.

 

[Jhhnn]

You'd think after all the false positives that mill keeps churning out someone would finally shut it down but apparently it still makes the $.

Edit: It just occurred to me this isn't a "where there's smoke there's fire" approach to the ongoing Clinton scrutiny, it's a "where there's crop circles and cattle mutilations there's aliens" approach. At what point do you reach "real proof or STFU?"

I admire you for putting it that way. I'm still chuckling because it's way, way, way too true.

When do they learn? Likely never. Witness the Donald.

 

[MongGrel]

Have these same outlets even mentioned Trump's interactions with FL AG Bondi or then TX AG/now Gov Abbott during the Trump U investigations?

I just have some mentally ingrained images, ever time I hear anything about Pam Bondi, I get a mental image of a Debra Lefavre type that should probably be working in HR somewhere that wouldn't return a St Bernard to a family after Hurricane Katerina.

She has always struck me as the epitome of entitled pretty much.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You'd think after all the false positives that mill keeps churning out someone would finally shut it down but apparently it still makes the $.

Edit: It just occurred to me this isn't a "where there's smoke there's fire" approach to the ongoing Clinton scrutiny, it's a "where there's crop circles and cattle mutilations there's aliens" approach. At what point do you reach "real proof or STFU?"

So let's ignore the crop circles and cattle mutilations because the evidence doesn't point to aliens? Sure there may be lots of innuendo into how those things happened, but it doesn't change that it happened.

The facts of the case is that Clinton setup a private server without the approval to do so, besides her claims otherwise. Her surrogates continue to plead the 5th when probed on the motivations behind it.

Using your analogy, perhaps Clinton's motivation was convenience or perhaps it was a nefarious attempt to circumvent FOIA accountability. She is fortunate Trump is the Republican nominee, because her lack of transparency and judgment is highly exploitable and would sink her against a competent adversary.

 

[Jhhnn]

So let's ignore the crop circles and cattle mutilations because the evidence doesn't point to aliens? Sure there may be lots of innuendo into how those things happened, but it doesn't change that it happened.

The facts of the case is that Clinton setup a private server without the approval to do so, besides her claims otherwise. Her surrogates continue to plead the 5th when probed on the motivations behind it.

Using your analogy, perhaps Clinton's motivation was convenience or perhaps it was a nefarious attempt to circumvent FOIA accountability. She is fortunate Trump is the Republican nominee, because her lack of transparency and judgment is highly exploitable and would sink her against a competent adversary.

Heh. Who in the State Dept gives approval to the Secretary? They answer to nobody but the President & the Law.

Pagliano testified under a limited grant of immunity. We only know that because his lawyer said so. Making that plural is speculative bullshit.

She's fortunate that the Repubs couldn't come up with a viable nominee at all. Not if their lives depended on it. Out of the 17 nags they paraded out, who could beat her? Ted Cruz? Jeb?

Get real.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Heh. Who in the State Dept gives approval to the Secretary? They answer to nobody but the President & the Law.

Apparently the law is discretionary. That's ok. I hope to one day encounter a leader who so inspires me that I too am willing to dismiss mediocrity, corruption, double speak and deception as inspirational.

 

[Jhhnn]

Apparently the law is discretionary. That's ok. I hope to one day encounter a leader who so inspires me that I too am willing to dismiss mediocrity, corruption, double speak and deception as inspirational.

Apparently the existence of the server & the way she used it were not illegal at the time. The factual nature of that has been known for a very long while. It seems to me that if that were per se illegal she'd already be busted.

The rest? You've got Trump, right? He's so inspirational that his followers throw common sense & decency to the winds.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Apparently the law is discretionary. That's ok. I hope to one day encounter a leader who so inspires me that I too am willing to dismiss mediocrity, corruption, double speak and deception as inspirational.

So if the FBI comes back and says there was no criminal wrongdoing will that just be further proof of how deep the corruption goes?

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The truth is out there!