Bikes Against Bush Creator Busted

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
They said he was being arestted for not having an ID

"Your papers, please?"

Welcome to the former USSR :roll:

Well to be fair to the police they did catch him red handed committing a crime.

Agreed. So arrest him for vandalism.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
They said he was being arestted for not having an ID

"Your papers, please?"

Welcome to the former USSR :roll:

Well to be fair to the police they did catch him red handed committing a crime.

Since when are you requird to carry ID in the United States?

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Yeah, I'm sure that has anything to do with this. Idiot.

Kinberg cooperated fully with the officers as he was being handcuffed, only asking, "can I ask what I'm being arrested for?" to which no one provided an answer. As of 11:00 PM Saturday evening, he was still in custody without being charged with anything.

Pwned.

LMAO!!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: joecool
fine, so charge him and release him on bail. don't just hold him in jail without charging him until bush leaves town. that is also AGAINST THE LAW!!!

The police have 48 hours to charge someone after they detain them. This rule has been in effect for decades, at least (as long as I can remember).

Maybe you should actually KNOW the law before accusing others of breaking it?

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Why would it matter if it weren't permanent? It's still defacement...

:roll:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Yeah, I'm sure that has anything to do with this. Idiot.

Kinberg cooperated fully with the officers as he was being handcuffed, only asking, "can I ask what I'm being arrested for?" to which no one provided an answer. As of 11:00 PM Saturday evening, he was still in custody without being charged with anything.

Pwned.

The police have had the right to detain someone for up to 48 hours before pressing charges for decades.

This had, and has NOTHING to do with the Patriot Act.

 

[Thraxen]

Maybe you should actually KNOW the law before accusing others of breaking it?

Agreed. You people acting like this is just some sort of Bush conspiracy are getting owned in this thread.

 

[DougK62]

Why is it that there are only problems surrounding the Republican conventions, and never the Democrat? It'd be really refreshing to see Democrat supporters focus on some issues instead of their silly defamation protests. It makes me embarrassed to associate myself with Dems.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DougK62
Why is it that there are only problems surrounding the Republican conventions, and never the Democrat? It'd be really refreshing to see Democrat supporters focus on some issues instead of their silly defamation protests. It makes me embarrassed to associate myself with Dems.

The most violent protests in the history of the conventions took place at a Democrat convention.

Of course, that was 1968 in Chicago. 😛

 

[adlep]

I just made a $10.00 paypal donation through his site...

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
They said he was being arestted for not having an ID

Why not deport him to France then?

 

[mobobuff]

"Caught him red-handed"? Sounded like he was just giving a demo to NBC, and I didn't see any Anti-Bush statements, just affectionate messages for NYC. Chalking your admiration for your city is a crime against your city? No, will have to call BS on that one.

Regardless of rediculous laws and protocols, that bike is damn awesome and is well beyond anything most people here could create. Jobless hippie indeed. :roll:

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: mugs

Since when are you requird to carry ID in the United States?

If the police request your ID, you have to show them ... that means you need to have an ID in the first place.

But really, who doesn't carry ID? I always have my driver's license with me regardless of whether or not I'm driving.



I don't agree with his politics ... but DANG, that's some cool engineering. Now if he'd just take that skill and put it towards something useful.

 

[thirdlegstump]

What if I'm just taking my morning stroll around the area and a cop stops me? I'm not going to have anything but my keys.

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
What if I'm just taking my morning stroll around the area and a cop stops me? I'm not going to have anything but my keys.

Then you best be strolling looking mighty white.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
What if I'm just taking my morning stroll around the area and a cop stops me? I'm not going to have anything but my keys.

I dunno. I suppose they could take you into custody if they really wanted (doubtful) because you can't prove anything, including citizenship.

 

[thirdlegstump]

I do have my social # memorized so I'm sure that can come in handy to look up my data no?

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
New York City Graffiti Laws

10-117

a. No person shall write, paint or draw any inscription, figure or mark of any type on any public or private building or other structure or any other real or personal property owned, operated or maintained by a public benefit corporation, the city of New York or any agency or instrumentality thereof or by any person, firm, or corporation, or any personal property maintained on a city street or other city-owned property pursuant to a franchise, concession or revocable consent granted by the city, unless the express permission of the owner or operator of the property has been obtained.

Depending on the cost of clean up this guy could be charged with 4th-2nd degree criminal mischief. For his sake I hope he didnt do this all over town.

10-117. Defacement of property, possession, sale and display of aerosol spray paint cans, [and] broad tipped markers and etching acid prohibited in certain instances.

a. No person shall write, paint or draw any inscription, figure or mark of any type on any public or private building or other structure or any other real or personal property owned, operated or maintained by a public benefit corporation, the city of New York or any agency or instrumentality thereof or by any person, firm, or corporation, or any personal property maintained
on a city street or other city-owned property pursuant to a franchise, concession or revocable consent granted by the city, unless the express permission of the owner or operator of the property has been obtained.

He wasnt using aerosol anything, broad tip markers, or ethcing acid. Was he ?

😕

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: DOSfan

Originally posted by: myusername


Actually your cited example would be protected by free speech <b>except</b> for the fact that you are inciting illegal activity .. whereas if I wanted to write "PhasmatisNox is an ugly, morbidly obese, pimple faced geek" in washable chalk, I wouldn't have broken any laws.

Not entirely true.... You could be hit for liable.

The proper anology would be to go around writing "Jews Rule" everywhere.

It might get your ass kicked in certain neighborhoods, but the legal side is pretty free and clear. (As long as you are not writing it on private property.)

EDIT: WTF is with the forums now? I get a runtime error when I try and preview my message? *heavy sigh*

i think you mean Libel...in which case thats wrong - its slander if it's written...

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: deathkoba
What if I'm just taking my morning stroll around the area and a cop stops me? I'm not going to have anything but my keys.

Then you best be strolling looking mighty white.

LMAO! :beer:

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: DOSfan

Originally posted by: myusername


Actually your cited example would be protected by free speech <b>except</b> for the fact that you are inciting illegal activity .. whereas if I wanted to write "PhasmatisNox is an ugly, morbidly obese, pimple faced geek" in washable chalk, I wouldn't have broken any laws.

Not entirely true.... You could be hit for liable.

The proper anology would be to go around writing "Jews Rule" everywhere.

It might get your ass kicked in certain neighborhoods, but the legal side is pretty free and clear. (As long as you are not writing it on private property.)

EDIT: WTF is with the forums now? I get a runtime error when I try and preview my message? *heavy sigh*

i think you mean Libel...in which case thats wrong - its slander if it's written...

Well...if he's writing negative stuff about Bush, it's probably true.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
New York City Graffiti Laws

10-117

a. No person shall write, paint or draw any inscription, figure or mark of any type on any public or private building or other structure or any other real or personal property owned, operated or maintained by a public benefit corporation, the city of New York or any agency or instrumentality thereof or by any person, firm, or corporation, or any personal property maintained on a city street or other city-owned property pursuant to a franchise, concession or revocable consent granted by the city, unless the express permission of the owner or operator of the property has been obtained.

Therein lies the vagueness; while the law is very clear about personal property it does not specify whether or not a city street is personal or public property. While the distinction might mean very little under normal circumstances it matters much in this case. If a city street or sidewalk is public property then he cannot be prosecuted for this. Though I doubt that's the case.

 

[element]

in other news P&amp;Ner trying to sneak news into OT not busted, but should have been.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: mugs

Since when are you requird to carry ID in the United States?

If the police request your ID, you have to show them ... that means you need to have an ID in the first place.

Your reasoning is flawed on a level rivaling that of a Schizophrenic's.

The regulation which compels you to show ID to a law enforcement official is simply whatever specific regulation in that state/county/etc. that requires you to comply with the instructions of a law enforcement official when possible. A police officer cannot instruct you to levitate 3 feet off the ground and then arrest you for not doing so. Similarly a police officer cannot instruct you to show your ID and then arrest you because you don't have it on you. (They can search you for said ID though, and the Supreme Court has agreed that you can be asked for ID for any -- or no -- reason and still be required to show it if you have it) If there is some suspicion of a crime -- like breaking and entering, disturbing the peace, etc. -- then you can be detained until a positive identification has been made. But arresting you for not carrying ID is a myth, an extremist version of the boogyman meant to encourage the stupid and uninformed to hate law enforcement officials even more.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: mugs

Since when are you requird to carry ID in the United States?

If the police request your ID, you have to show them ... that means you need to have an ID in the first place.

You're not required to own or carry ID with you.

But really, who doesn't carry ID? I always have my driver's license with me regardless of whether or not I'm driving.

New Yorkers, for one. Many do not have a driver's license, because they don't need one.