Biggest union in the US is Teachers?!

KeithTalent

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What else would it have been? Piano tuners? :hmm:

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I just assumed there were more schools than hospitals in the US.

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Yeh but I don't think of all teachers being part of a union. And while a school may have a couple dozen teachers, a hospital can employ a couple thousand nurses.
 

dud

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http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2012/12/11/top-union-jobs/2.html

Teachers and school administrators, both public and private, make up one of the largest unionized blocs in the United States. The National Education Association is the largest labor union in the country, and about 3.1 million, or 37% of all education workers are union members.


woah :eek:

never would have guessed Teachers



Seriously ... do you live under a rock? this is not news ... it is history. With so many teachers in the country why wouldn't this be the largest labor union?
 

wirednuts

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UAW or IBEW (electricians) would have been my guess. But those are just closer to my mind being in a union heavy state (IL).

maybe back in the 50's... but these days electrical unions hold under 20% of their marketshare nationwide. it has a lot to do with many locals being full of retarded people...
 

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maybe back in the 50's... but these days electrical unions hold under 20% of their marketshare nationwide. it has a lot to do with many locals being full of retarded people...

huh? members or mgmt running the union halls?
 

mikegg

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And that's why American education continues to lag behind so much of the world.

Yep. I believe schools can't actually fire teachers.

I remember so many piss poor "teachers" in high school. Most of them didn't give a shit about teaching. Most of them are tenured and can't be fired.

Then there are the younger teachers who are actually teachers and use creative ways to teach. Those don't stick around long because they get laid off first when there's a budget cut because they are not tenured.
 

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Yep. I believe schools can't actually fire teachers.

I remember so many piss poor "teachers" in high school. Most of them didn't give a shit about teaching. Most of them are tenured and can't be fired.

Then there are the younger teachers who are actually teachers and use creative ways to teach. Those don't stick around long because they get laid off first when there's a budget cut because they are not tenured.

Right. It has nothing to do with wanting to teach creationism in our schools and our focus on sports programs over education. It's the booga booga teacher's union and their insane 30k+ salaries in the best paying counties in Florida, while having no funding to even buy books for the classrooms there.
 

mizzou

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Yep. I believe schools can't actually fire teachers.

I remember so many piss poor "teachers" in high school. Most of them didn't give a shit about teaching. Most of them are tenured and can't be fired.

Then there are the younger teachers who are actually teachers and use creative ways to teach. Those don't stick around long because they get laid off first when there's a budget cut because they are not tenured.

you use the word "Most", i do not think you know what this word means
 

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Same here in Ontario. They're doing rotating strikes because the government wants to give them a pay freeze for one year and get stop them banking sick days. Senior teachers were pulling in $80k about a decade ago. Probably closer to $90-$100k today.

I have very little respect for teaching as a profession. A lot of them are only in it for the money and care very little about the kids. I struggled with certain subjects growing up but could never get help. When my parents got upset at the school, my teachers tried to claim I had ADHD. I got tested and the psychologist found nothing wrong with me. Parents put me in another school and my grades went up dramatically. Then I ran into trouble again in middle school. One thing I walked away from school was kids asking for help always seemed to be inconveniencing the teacher. Needles to say it wasn't a very nurturing education environment. They didn't care if you did well or not. I struggled with math for years. I didn't even learn how to write a proper essay until Grade 12, because nobody showed me. Teachers used to say my writing was poor. Most of them really wanted to believe there was something wrong with me. I did have this one teacher who did take the time to show me. When I went to university, writing was one of my best skills. Rarely got below 80% on my term papers. Probably would have got higher had I not had a tendency to procrastinate. University was a far better environment and it was one of my TAs who inspired me to become a journalist. Had I listened to my teachers in public school, I'd probably be pumping gas for a living.

A co-worker of mine had a similar story. She struggled through school for years. It got so bad that her parents transferred her to a private school, based on the Waldorf program. She told me she was genuinely shocked to see students hugging their teacher. Mind you Waldorf is a very crunchy granola place. But she had always viewed teachers as the enemy. Most students did. To them they weren't a instrument of learning and nurturing. Her time at Waldorf inspired her to become a teacher herself, and she went into the public system only to encounter the same roadblocks. Teachers who smack-talk students behind their backs and generally have no pride in their work. This was even in another province.

So it's no wonder kids today are barely literate when they get to college. If they fired half the teachers, there'd still be far too many bad ones. If they cut their salaries in half, they'd still be making too much for the kind of job they do. Public education is systemically broken. It's no wonder so many kids are on the wrong path.
 

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When we have teachers getting caught feeding their semen to students yet still get their pensions, you know teachers unions are f'd up. We've had a couple of cities here in California go bankrupt and while it obviously isn't 100% the teachers unions faults, those cities have said that union pensions are a huge part of why they went under. How many of us in the real world are guaranteed raises no matter our performance? How many of us in the real world are guaranteed retirement pensions?
 

yhelothar

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Teaching methods is such a subjective notion that it's difficult to set standards on what good teaching is. Some say test scores, but clearly there's a lot between getting the right answer and actually learning. Math is clearly a good example where teachers often just teach you the steps on getting the right answer without explaining the concepts to learn how to reason mathematically.

Universities typically use student evaluations of instructors to decide. However, I could see how this system can fail for younger kids who would probably just rate whatever teacher is the easiest.