palehorse
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would you also like forensic evidence, shipped to your doorstep, each and every time members of the Taliban rape a 10-year-old with the muzzle of a rifle; and then fire a shot into her vagina...?? Or how about evidence depicting the decapitation of 20, or more, local school children, by AQIM?
...would you prefer B&W, or color?
moron.
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Why don't you take your pathetic, off topic, over the top, saliva spewing hyperbole and scream it at the Pentagon, Leroy?
Meanwhile, you've proven what an over the top, ranting piece of shit you are.
Take your off topic hyperbole and shove it.
Lemon law
Lifer
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As palehorse74 asks---would you also like forensic evidence, shipped to your doorstep, each and every time members of the Taliban rape a 10-year-old with the muzzle of a rifle; and then fire a shot into her vagina...??
As a matter of fact, I would prefer some actual statistics on how often it happens. I suspect it happens more often in your forum posts than in real life. But in times of war, all manner of psychotic sickos rise to the top. And we do have quite a few in our own also if you want to believe Lynde England, Charles Granger, Dick Cheney, and GWB are typical Americans.
But if you do have any handy tapes, B&W photos, or color photographs of waterboarding by American interrogators, please forward them on to the various US Senate investigating committees.
We already have a plethora of pictures of dead babies who fell victim to American collateral damage.
As a matter of fact, I would prefer some actual statistics on how often it happens. I suspect it happens more often in your forum posts than in real life. But in times of war, all manner of psychotic sickos rise to the top. And we do have quite a few in our own also if you want to believe Lynde England, Charles Granger, Dick Cheney, and GWB are typical Americans.
But if you do have any handy tapes, B&W photos, or color photographs of waterboarding by American interrogators, please forward them on to the various US Senate investigating committees.
We already have a plethora of pictures of dead babies who fell victim to American collateral damage.
palehorse
Lifer
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Sick acts, such as those I listed, are happening every day in the Taliban-controlled NW frontier of Pakistan; and in scattered villages throughout a few provinces in Afghanistan as well.
AQIM, and other terrorists in Iraq, are also well-known for sniping schoolchildren and beheading countless Iraqi citizens -- most often done to incite further violence between the sects, or simply to intimidate entire towns.
It's been very telling, over the years, that a few of you, such as Lemon, focus ALL of your hatred and hostility toward our own, very rare, incidents of sickness and depravity. You present them as the norm, while you practically ignore the inhumanity of our enemies. In fact, the few occasions where Western forces have committed an atrocity somehow take center stage, for you, regardless of the fact that our enemies commit acts that are much worse every single day.
When was the last time you wrote a hate-piece about the sick and twisted acts of our enemies? When was the last time you demanded that THEY stop doing what they're doing? When was the last time you condemned THEM at the top of your lungs, or with your harshest words?
Oh ya...
Lemon law
Lifer
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I suppose Palehorse74 has a point when he asks---When was the last time you wrote a hate-piece about the sick and twisted acts of our enemies? When was the last time you demanded that THEY stop doing what they're doing? When was the last time you condemned THEM at the top of your lungs, or with your harshest words?
The point being, as I said, that the worse sicko pschotics do indeed rise to the top during times of war. It is our inept and bungled occupations that empower the same psychos you decry.
Underlying much of our squabbling is an inability by our military to distinguish the moderates
from the totally psychotic. And when it comes to the overall taliban movement, you seek to
totally eliminate it which is beyond your abilities and I suggest modifying it. Its in short while some policies are working in Iraq and not in Afghanistan.
And we can control us, we can't control them except by a binary dead or alive when we try the policies you seem to advocate.
Denouncing them I would be happy to do, but its fruitless unless we can change the mindset of the larger population. Its people problem no matter where.
The point being, as I said, that the worse sicko pschotics do indeed rise to the top during times of war. It is our inept and bungled occupations that empower the same psychos you decry.
Underlying much of our squabbling is an inability by our military to distinguish the moderates
from the totally psychotic. And when it comes to the overall taliban movement, you seek to
totally eliminate it which is beyond your abilities and I suggest modifying it. Its in short while some policies are working in Iraq and not in Afghanistan.
And we can control us, we can't control them except by a binary dead or alive when we try the policies you seem to advocate.
Denouncing them I would be happy to do, but its fruitless unless we can change the mindset of the larger population. Its people problem no matter where.
ProfJohn
Lifer
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Perhaps you should make a thread about how these women died for what they believed in...
And This Man Died For What He Believed In
palehorse
Lifer
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The Taliban, and AQ, as a whole, are inhumane. They were committing daily atrocities before we arrived, and they haven't stopped since. Their behavior is NOT a reflection of our presence in either region -- it's simply their standard operating procedure.
The majority of the members, in both groups, condone and encourage the atrocities.
Your desire to extend an olive branch to their "moderate members," in hopes of somehow bridging the divide, is fatally flawed because there is no such sub-group.
There are no "moderates" in the Taliban or AQ. Extremism and inhumanity are the very bonds that tie each and every one of them together -- and it's also what separates them from their "insurgent" brethren. (which is why we've been successful in bridging the divide with various insurgent groups, but not with AQIM or the Taliban).
Lemon law
Lifer
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Palehorse74, your post and your thinking explains exactly why you have made negative progress in Afghanistan for five years running as you promise it will take 30-50 years.
Get a damn clue, your thinking would not help solve anything in five million years. Just look at your signature, it says it all.
Get a damn clue, your thinking would not help solve anything in five million years. Just look at your signature, it says it all.
Nemesis 1
Lifer
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I really having a hard time with this. Isn't it a matter of perspective?
If I was an Iraq. I would say America are the terrorist.
USA has Best Tanks /Jets / Atomics. Best troop support. I mean the arab world doesn't have the weapons to bring a war to our shores. Is a trooper mentally retarded when he jumps on a grenade to save his comrades. No he is a hero.
These peopple are using the only weapons they have. Including walking talking Bombs.
We say you have to be crazy. To do something that stupid. Ya I am sure real life is so good to these people that they would do anything to stay alive in this wonderful world.
Aren't these people hero's to their cause?
Come on guys. We view things From our perspective? Right!
Or are we the crazy bast-ards. I can't believe so many Americans believe we went Into Iraq for any other reason than to secure the oil fields. Who the hell do we think we are?
In America we have All these human rights issues with minorities and gays and what ever other sub-groups are out their. We will defend these peoples rights as we should.
But to go into Iraq based on lies is pure BS. Human rights being violated. LOL. Weapons of mass destruction?????. What right do we have saying you can't have these weapons.
To the best of my knowlegde. THE USA is the only country to use atomics on another nation . If it would have been military targets OK. But to target civilians . OLD men women and children . Says all I need to know about which government on planet earth I would not turn my back to .
Some how someway Americans think their government is representive of it people . They died gentlemen with good old honest abe . LOL.
I love my american brothers and sisters. But I hate this illeagal government. If enough of my brothers and sisters would rebell . I would join so fast it would make your head spin.
We could win to. But we would have to target the rich and powerful and not are sons and daughters in the military. We get rid of these corrult as-holes and we could get back on track.
Their are countries worse than Iraq. Why aren't we going in to these countries and doing the same thing? Must be a question of OIL.
If I was an Iraq. I would say America are the terrorist.
USA has Best Tanks /Jets / Atomics. Best troop support. I mean the arab world doesn't have the weapons to bring a war to our shores. Is a trooper mentally retarded when he jumps on a grenade to save his comrades. No he is a hero.
These peopple are using the only weapons they have. Including walking talking Bombs.
We say you have to be crazy. To do something that stupid. Ya I am sure real life is so good to these people that they would do anything to stay alive in this wonderful world.
Aren't these people hero's to their cause?
Come on guys. We view things From our perspective? Right!
Or are we the crazy bast-ards. I can't believe so many Americans believe we went Into Iraq for any other reason than to secure the oil fields. Who the hell do we think we are?
In America we have All these human rights issues with minorities and gays and what ever other sub-groups are out their. We will defend these peoples rights as we should.
But to go into Iraq based on lies is pure BS. Human rights being violated. LOL. Weapons of mass destruction?????. What right do we have saying you can't have these weapons.
To the best of my knowlegde. THE USA is the only country to use atomics on another nation . If it would have been military targets OK. But to target civilians . OLD men women and children . Says all I need to know about which government on planet earth I would not turn my back to .
Some how someway Americans think their government is representive of it people . They died gentlemen with good old honest abe . LOL.
I love my american brothers and sisters. But I hate this illeagal government. If enough of my brothers and sisters would rebell . I would join so fast it would make your head spin.
We could win to. But we would have to target the rich and powerful and not are sons and daughters in the military. We get rid of these corrult as-holes and we could get back on track.
Their are countries worse than Iraq. Why aren't we going in to these countries and doing the same thing? Must be a question of OIL.
Jaskalas
Lifer
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Trying to uphold the peace and stability of that country, granted after we broke it, is equal to terrorism? Is equal to this sort of attack? I suppose you think we should let them genocide each other, why is that?
I have my reasons, but you?re talking like its evil to protect the Iraqi people. I?d like to clarity that, if not get you to outright say it.
You being sarcastic here? It?s too long winded for that, I have to take this at face value.
You?re pathetic. You EQUATE and see no difference between saving lives and taking lives. That ideology belongs to my enemy.
A solider stopping the deaths of his fellow comrades, IS NOT THE SAME as someone detonating themselves in a random market with the express purpose of killing his fellow people. Your ideology should be purged from the face of this planet.
Iraq has consumed America?s capabilities. We?re not capable of taking on further nation building missions. The worse countries can get in line, because we?re not going anywhere else anytime soon.
Nemesis 1
Lifer
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Am I . Man . I hate war and killing more than anyone. I don't understand it at all.
But 1 thing I know for fact I am not. I am not sheep. I need know shepard . Earthly that is.
You talk about saving lives Vs. taking lives. LOL! IN ugly war. Sometimes the innocent have to die according to our own governments actions.
2 of japans cities targeted for atomics. Old men women and children were the targets
The reason our government gave for this cowardly act was to save 1,000,000 Americans troopers lives. SO we killed Hundreds of thousands of civilians who were innocent . Other than being a Jap. YA . You sure showed me the path to enlightenment.
What About The AMERICAN indians. What did they do Attack europe. Who do you think your talking to a kid with zero thoughts. Come on man open your eyes to the trueth than live with it. Or try to.
But 1 thing I know for fact I am not. I am not sheep. I need know shepard . Earthly that is.
You talk about saving lives Vs. taking lives. LOL! IN ugly war. Sometimes the innocent have to die according to our own governments actions.
2 of japans cities targeted for atomics. Old men women and children were the targets
The reason our government gave for this cowardly act was to save 1,000,000 Americans troopers lives. SO we killed Hundreds of thousands of civilians who were innocent . Other than being a Jap. YA . You sure showed me the path to enlightenment.
What About The AMERICAN indians. What did they do Attack europe. Who do you think your talking to a kid with zero thoughts. Come on man open your eyes to the trueth than live with it. Or try to.
Jaskalas
Lifer
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You just defined the "war on terror". What is new about this? Since the 2004 elections you've denounced all of us who condemn Islamic terrorism. Do you call it that, or do you call the Iraqis blowing up fellow Iraqis as Iraqi Heroes, or Iraqi Freedom Fighters? I'd like to know, do you continue to say we're no better than this?
I know some of your fellows who said that in this very thread. Do you denounce them, or do you denounce me?
I am merely reflecting, although I admit with some spite, how you shall never connect the dots. Between the religion as the source of this barbarism, our lack of defense against Islamic Supremacy immigrating here, and your side denouncing the use of connecting the religion to events such as this.
If you only recognize the source of this attack as us, then I find such an ideology, repeatedly telling us to be tolerant of Islamic Supremacy, puts us all in jeopardy. I say we?re doing nothing to prevent it from flourishing on our land.
Really, and you do not go for our throats and solely blame us for events such as these? In fact, I say it is you who ?seems to be able to quickly blow past terrorists remotely detonating mentally disabled people in crowded market places? to focus on the fault of the American people.
As Harvey would tell us, ?This is the traitor in chief?s fault :thumbsdown::|:thumbsdown: ?.
I will readily admit entering Iraq was a mistake. Yet we need to recognize why it was a mistake, what it is we are now fighting. This is not an Iraqi resistance group killing Americans. These are Islamic Terrorists sowing genocide and are a chief example of what happens when the opposition to Islamic Supremacy is removed.
I say there is a lesson about Islam?s infection to be learned here, and I resent the focus, since the election in 2004, that their actions only exist because of us. I am sounding a call to tell you we?re in danger here because people are telling us to tolerate this same violent infection here at home.
I wonder that too. Which of us blame the terrorists, which of us blame America? Which of us tells others to tolerate the spread of their ideology here at home, which of us wants it persecuted?
Nemesis 1
Lifer
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Any of you guys old enough to remember what happened AT Kent State. If so refresh us as to what happened.
Any of you guys remember the Hormel strike. Were national guard was called in to protect the the Hispanic Scabs. Strikers were beaten. Many of the scabs were illeagals.
In MN . its a hugh problem because of our great welfare programm. The illeagals come in steal the benefits and lower wages all at same time. But its starting to really show up bigtime now . Morgage problems/ tatented food from poor clean ups. And USDA people looking the other way.
We could go on and on . Whats this have to do with topic. Its what breaks down the system . Which cause government people to make retarded decisions which leads to revolution.
In the middle east it Idealism causing seperation. Not the same as what I said above. But it leads to same results . Disunity.
Any of you guys remember the Hormel strike. Were national guard was called in to protect the the Hispanic Scabs. Strikers were beaten. Many of the scabs were illeagals.
In MN . its a hugh problem because of our great welfare programm. The illeagals come in steal the benefits and lower wages all at same time. But its starting to really show up bigtime now . Morgage problems/ tatented food from poor clean ups. And USDA people looking the other way.
We could go on and on . Whats this have to do with topic. Its what breaks down the system . Which cause government people to make retarded decisions which leads to revolution.
In the middle east it Idealism causing seperation. Not the same as what I said above. But it leads to same results . Disunity.
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Right in the article, from a perhaps more reliable source.
And, SAVE YOUR BREATH, RED FACED RANTERS. Going off on bilious, emotional jags screaming that I must be ok with this cowardly suicide bombing crap is bullshit.
MY SOLE POINT here is that seemingly ALL of you are swallowing the Iraqi official's factually unsupported comments that the women were retarded and that the bombs were detonated remotely.
Suicide bombing is cowardly and barbarous! Just don't jump on the ZOMG train based on unsupported, enhance BS, until the proof is there, k?
I mean, we've NEVER been misled by Iraqi officials, right? :roll:
ProfJohn
Lifer
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I hope you realize that our bombs ended the war and this saved literally millions of Japanese lives.
If we had invaded they expected that MILLIONS of Japanese would die in the battle.
Look at Okinawa, 75,000 to 140,000 dead civilians, more than died in either Atomic blast.
I singled out Jaskalas because I believe he's the worst offender here...but I made it pretty clear I was talking about almost everyone in this thread. In fact, I wish it WAS just a few annoying voices...but it would seem to be remarkably easy for people like Jaskalas, and his liberal equivalents, to derail almost any conversation about terrorism.
I don't have "fellows" or a "side", I have my own views, none of which I see reflected in your assumptions above. And I think my point stands, your comments seem to make it clear you view the ideology that allegedly supports tolerance of Islamic Supremacy as more of a threat than the Islamic extremists themselves. This would seem to be exactly what I was talking about.
And while my comments were more about the nature of the debate than the content, I think it's worth pointing out that you have repeatedly, in this comment and in virtually every comment you make on the topic, used "Islam" as an interchangeable designation for terrorists, extremists and supremacists. Perhaps the opposition to your views doesn't come from people who support tolerating violent extremists as much as it comes from people who don't think the war on terrorism is best waged against the Muslim clerk at the local 7-11.
Is AQ the bad guys because we say they are?
Do terrorist members think of themselves as the bad guys?
Do terrorist members think of themselves as the bad guys?
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