Big thumbs down to retailers who are banning the red kettle

[BBond]

Bush is all talk. He abuses Christianity to further his own greedy, immoral goals. His works during his first term were anti-Christian.

Back to the subject of the OP. New Jersey's interim governor has made a decision regarding the Salvation Army.

Codey will allow the red kettles next year at state transit stops

Saturday, December 25, 2004
BY JEFF DIAMANT
Star-Ledger Staff

Acting Gov. Richard Codey said yesterday he will let the Salvation Army collect money again next holiday season at highway service areas and transit stations.

Earlier this month, Codey let the charity set up its well-known red kettles at the New Jersey Turnpike's 12 service areas, the Garden State Parkway's eight service areas, and about 200 NJ Transit stations, to help offset losses faced when the retailer Target banned the Salvation Army from its property this year.

Target's ban has hurt the Salvation Army, which is unlikely to match last year's New Jersey collection total of $1.1 million, according to officials of the international organization. So far, it has collected about $1 million in the state, said Maj. Stephen Banfield of its New Jersey division.

Last year, the Salvation Army in New Jersey collected about $200,000 from Target customers, about 17 percent of its total.

"Clearly Target's decision this year was un-American," Codey said at a news conference yesterday at the Vince Lombardi Service Area on the Turnpike. "It's hard to believe that a good corporate citizen would actually reject the Salvation Army."

Officials from Minnesota-based Target could not be reached for comment yesterday, but have said that permitting Salvation Army bell ringers at its stores was unfair to other charities wanting to solicit donations.

The Salvation Army began collecting at the highway rest stops and transit stations on Dec. 13. Next year, it plans to start three days before Thanksgiving and work through Christmas, while taking off on Sundays, Banfield said.

Codey praised the charity yesterday.

"They represent the best of American generosity. They forget about their own comfort. They stand in the cold for hours on end, all ... to raise money to help those less fortunate than us."

Many other retailers also forbid the Salvation Army solicitors. A few years ago, Wal-Mart began limiting the number of days volunteers could set up kettles, and some ShopRite stores are doing the same.

Home Depot, Lowe's, Barnes & Noble, Toys "R" Us and Circuit City have never allowed the bell ringers.

 

[yllus]

I find the bell ringing really annoying. Though it does help drown out the wailing of Ashlee Simpson, Lindsay Lohan or whatever no-talent hack is currently being promo'd over the loudspeakers in the store.

 

[fornax]

While I can see Target's point that not allowing some charities and allowing SA opens it to allegations of preference, it IS a private entity and can choose which solitors to allow and which not. It's almost like telling me that if I invite a particular guest to my house, then I should invite everyone. But for precisely the same reason it shouldn't be forced to allow SA on their property -- it's their decision who and when to admit, and if at all.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Makes me like Target even more. I can't stand solicitors.
If the rednecks go to Walmart because of it, great.

The Doctrines of the Salvation Army.

1. We believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, and that they only constitute the Divine rule of Christian faith and practice.
2. We believe that there is only one God, who is infinitely perfect, the Creator, Preserver, and Governor of all things, and who is the only proper object of religious worship.
3. We believe that there are three persons in the Godhead - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, undivided in essence and co-equal in power and glory.
4. We believe that in the person of Jesus Christ the Divine and human natures are united, so that He is truly and properly God and truly and properly man.
5. We believe that our first parents were created in a state of innocency, but by their disobedience, they lost their purity and happiness, and that in consequence of their fall, all men have become sinners, totally depraved, and as such are justly exposed to the wrath of God.
6. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has by His suffering and death made an atonement for the whole world so that whosoever will may be saved.
7. We believe that repentance toward God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and regeneration by the Holy Spirit are necessary to salvation.
8. We believe that we are justified by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and that he that believeth hat the witness in himself.
9. We believe that continuance in a state of salvation depends upon continued obedient faith in Christ.
10. We believe that it is the privilege of all believers to be wholly sanctified, and that their whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
11. We believe in the immortality of the soul, the resurrection of the body, in the general judgement at the end of the world, in the eternal happiness of the righteous, and in the endless punishment of the wicked.

They stand outside the store and ring a bell. If you want to give, fine, if you don't want to give, that's fine too.

They don't ask you for money.

They are pretty innocent as far as solicitors go, I'll give you that. Still it's annoying to have a Chrisitian charity treated different from all the other charities who aren't allowed to solicit outside.

So even though the Salvation Army provides care, nurturing and opportunity for all people regardless of their gender, age, financial, ethnic, social or religious stations in life, the fact that they are a Christian organization really gets under your skin, doesn't it?

Pretty much.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Makes me like Target even more. I can't stand solicitors.
If the rednecks go to Walmart because of it, great.

The Doctrines of the Salvation Army.

1. We believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, and that they only constitute the Divine rule of Christian faith and practice.
2. We believe that there is only one God, who is infinitely perfect, the Creator, Preserver, and Governor of all things, and who is the only proper object of religious worship.
3. We believe that there are three persons in the Godhead - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, undivided in essence and co-equal in power and glory.
4. We believe that in the person of Jesus Christ the Divine and human natures are united, so that He is truly and properly God and truly and properly man.
5. We believe that our first parents were created in a state of innocency, but by their disobedience, they lost their purity and happiness, and that in consequence of their fall, all men have become sinners, totally depraved, and as such are justly exposed to the wrath of God.
6. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has by His suffering and death made an atonement for the whole world so that whosoever will may be saved.
7. We believe that repentance toward God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and regeneration by the Holy Spirit are necessary to salvation.
8. We believe that we are justified by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and that he that believeth hat the witness in himself.
9. We believe that continuance in a state of salvation depends upon continued obedient faith in Christ.
10. We believe that it is the privilege of all believers to be wholly sanctified, and that their whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
11. We believe in the immortality of the soul, the resurrection of the body, in the general judgement at the end of the world, in the eternal happiness of the righteous, and in the endless punishment of the wicked.

They stand outside the store and ring a bell. If you want to give, fine, if you don't want to give, that's fine too.

They don't ask you for money.

They are pretty innocent as far as solicitors go, I'll give you that. Still it's annoying to have a Chrisitian charity treated different from all the other charities who aren't allowed to solicit outside.

So even though the Salvation Army provides care, nurturing and opportunity for all people regardless of their gender, age, financial, ethnic, social or religious stations in life, the fact that they are a Christian organization really gets under your skin, doesn't it?

Pretty much.

:thumbsup: for being honest.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I didn't post, but what I did is boycott those who did this. It was ridiculous as far as I am concerned. I figure they did not merit my money.

 

[KidViciou$]

if places like walmart and target want to extend their christian values by censoring the music sold, they should at least embrace something good like the salvation army collecting money with bell ringers!

:|:|:| good thing i don't shop at these conglomerates

 

[Riprorin]

I don't think that Wal-Mart banned the bell ringers.

 

[BBond]

From the article I posted:

Many other retailers also forbid the Salvation Army solicitors. A few years ago, Wal-Mart began limiting the number of days volunteers could set up kettles

 

[Cerb]

So that's why I walk around AND think this month!
I don't see any problem with the Salvation Army as an organization, but I'm sure not welcomed nor put in a good mood by those bells clanging. Quite the opposite, in fact. Maybe they should try blinking lights or something. Or donations get a certain amount of time that they guy does NOT ring the bell.

OTOH, I've been to...
Barnes&Noble
BAM
Walmart (a kettle-jockey)
Publix
Kroger
...one place had a salvation army guy, and its the place that exist purely because it is convinient.