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Big government a threat....yep, it seems most people think so

The problem isn't so much "big government", but government being big in the wrong areas.

I remember back in the summer of 2007 seeing a sign at Walgreen's that the price of a gallon of milk was raised due to state minimum price laws.

So while financial institutions were busy destroying our economy the government was too busy setting the price of milk to stop them.
 
but then people continue to vote the same statist big government R and D into office . . . . . but it must be the OTHER congress-critters that are the problem, not mine!
 
People love their big government. What they find threatening is other people's big government.
 
This reminds me of the potatoe wars in Idaho where the growers formed some kind of coop or union to represent their business. Government thought it was wrong for the farmers to set their own prices for potatoes, but it was ok for large conglomerates to give them pennies for each potatoe. There seems to be no fairness in trade other than rip off the little guy.
 
We are way too forgiving and forgetful of our Govt and the things they do. The CIA could murder your whole family, get caught, they apologize, maybe some shmuck gets fired but quickly lands a good job elsewhere and once the news media stops repeating it, they still exist and all is forgotten. Back to business as usual.
 
one problem is that jimmy duncan can never be president and he's the closest to libertarian in congress followed by walter b jones.
 
piasabird said:
This reminds me of the potatoe wars in Idaho where the growers formed some kind of coop or union to represent their business. Government thought it was wrong for the farmers to set their own prices for potatoes, but it was ok for large conglomerates to give them pennies for each potatoe. There seems to be no fairness in trade other than rip off the little guy.
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Dan Quayle is that you?
 
Its funny, I think most people would say they dont think big government is a good idea...but if you ask them about the government providing services, suddenly big government is a fantastic idea.

I guess they dont realize the connection between free shit from Uncle Sugar and Big Government.
 
Slew Foot said:
Big government is only bad when.

1. Youre paying for it
2. Someone else is getting the benefits
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Really most people only need #2 to get outraged.

Just go on Facebook and look at all your "friends" who you know in real life are part of the 47% but constantly post right wing rhetoric.
 
nehalem256 said:
The problem isn't so much "big government", but government being big in the wrong areas.

I remember back in the summer of 2007 seeing a sign at Walgreen's that the price of a gallon of milk was raised due to state minimum price laws.

So while financial institutions were busy destroying our economy the government was too busy setting the price of milk to stop them.
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The document that gives the govt any power, constitution, enumerates... let me say that again enumerates (go look up what that means if you're unsure) what powers the federal govt does have. And regulating the price of milk isn't one of them.

Lets take a little trip back in history to 1829 when Madison (who wrote the constitution) explained how the commerce clause has been twisted to mean exactly opposite of its intent.

James Madison to Joseph C. Cabell
13 Feb. 1829Letters 4:14--15

For a like reason, I made no reference to the "power to regulate commerce among the several States." I always foresaw that difficulties might be started in relation to that power which could not be fully explained without recurring to views of it, which, however just, might give birth to specious though unsound objections. Being in the same terms with the power over foreign commerce, the same extent, if taken literally, would belong to it. Yet it is very certain that it grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the non-importing, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government, in which alone, however, the remedial power could be lodged.
 
senseamp said:
You must be confusing me with a Republican.
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Possibly, they're terrible too! But isn't your justification for things that the majority of the people support it, and therefore, by force, make everyone else "support it" too? Tyranny of the Majority. To be honest, ive come to the realization, recently, that the ideas espoused by the statists(typically left wingers, but sometimes right wingers as well) aren't purposfully bad. People genuinely belive that their idea is going to FIX EVERYTHING and therefore must be forced on the people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0HtWSlFCAQ&noredirect=1

The problem is, what about the people who don't see your vision, or don't want it? Society shouldn't be filled with coercion of force. . but should be voluntary. If the idea is so good, then won't people flock to it like flies to shit?
 
destey said:
The document that gives the govt any power, constitution, enumerates... let me say that again enumerates (go look up what that means if you're unsure) what powers the federal govt does have. And regulating the price of milk isn't one of them. Lets take a little trip back in history to 1829 when Madison (who wrote the constitution) explained how the commerce clause has been twisted to mean exactly opposite of its intent. James Madison to Joseph C. Cabell 13 Feb. 1829Letters 4:14--15 For a like reason, I made no reference to the "power to regulate commerce among the several States." I always foresaw that difficulties might be started in relation to that power which could not be fully explained without recurring to views of it, which, however just, might give birth to specious though unsound objections. Being in the same terms with the power over foreign commerce, the same extent, if taken literally, would belong to it. Yet it is very certain that it grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the non-importing, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government, in which alone, however, the remedial power could be lodged.
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madison's views changed over time you know. and he rejected a stronger States' rights amendment in favor of implied powers.
 
Anarchist420 said:
one problem is that jimmy duncan can never be president and he's the closest to libertarian in congress followed by walter b jones.
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Agree with this. Jimmy Duncan is a great choice but he won't run. He was also a big supporter of Ron Paul and is serious about stopping big government.
 
This whole concept of big government is a big fat charade. The government is run by private industry, they fund the election cycle via lobby.
 
"Most people" re-elected barry sotero based on his record of nothing achieved. In other words most people are stupid cows easily led by their noserings. Consequence of intentional, planned dumbing down of education.

Link
 
Incorruptible said:
Agree with this. Jimmy Duncan is a great choice but he won't run. He was also a big supporter of Ron Paul and is serious about stopping big government.
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Rather than mouth vague, bullshit phrases like this, why not tell us what the world of "small government" looks like? Be specific about government programs and what they would provide under this wonderful "small government" utopia.

For starters, does Medicare still exist? Social Security? Pensions for already-retired government workers? How about the FDA, NIH, National Science Foundation, National Forest Service, FTC, FCC, and EPA? What about the Smithsonian Institution? Is everything a free-market free-for-all, with no government protections?

I really, really want to know that "small government" looks like in practice.
 
ringtail said:
"Most people" re-elected barry sotero based on his record of nothing achieved. In other words most people are stupid cows easily led by their noserings. Consequence of intentional, planned dumbing down of education.

Link
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Because the other guy was so awesome?
 
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