BIG Culprit in High Energy Bills!!!!

Virgorising

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Few weeks ago, I had to buy a new fridge. Trying to see the glass as half full, it struck me that the new one would be more energy efficient than the old one, and that would be ADORABLE.

I emailed con Edison, our provider her, where we pay the highest kwh in the country, Con Ed, wit da grids from the 19th century, but U have no real choice. I gave them the data and asked what the new fridge would cost me average each month?

In only two weeks.....some lame Con Ed rep emailed me back with some formulaic thingy saying she would need more info. I replied, this is simple math! Use whatever kwh rate I am being gouged at and do the MATH!

But I lost patience and I called them. I forget, calling is sometimes the right thing to do.

A lovely, intelligent, non robotic human there confirmed my stats on the unit online, and did the math. What she told me made me verrrry happy. (Middle of conversation, I exulted over how fab she was, said, "O! when we finished, hook me up wit yr supervisor so I can have the happy of leaping up and down, and then you will also get a Ferrari!!!!" She did, Supervisor was also amazing.)

Then, I asked her what the biggest culprits were in our energy bills. Naturally, I knew, first, A/C... and then, fridge. Well.....she then told me something I did not know! The third biggest, depending on the model and the options....is.....our CABLE BOX!:eek:

Yes! And, because of the way they are programmed, they should never be unplugged (cept when something goes really wrong). The more bells and whistles/options one has, even just DVR.....the higher the cost every second!!!!!

I was amazed. I told everyone. Nobody believed it or got the dimension of this; everyone blew it off.
 
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Reading this post makes me feel like I'm watching Adventure Time.

In other words, very confused and a little creeped out...
 

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Cable boxes use roughly 15-35 watts of power and the power is not significantly reduced when they are not in use. There's a reason they always run hot.
 

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Awesome! But I did as the crow flies and just called a living human. No third party anything was needed. Plus I am on auto pay re my electric bill, and I get they do not wanna tell us precisely what we pay per kwh here!!!! I think.....to avoid possible assassination attempts on the principals.:cool:

I posted with the premise some might not know what I did not know, and, what I learned is important.

Bottom line: unless we downgrade our cable setups......there is nothing we can do to stop this major hog from being a hog.
 
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Virgorising

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Cable boxes use roughly 15-35 watts of power and the power is not significantly reduced when they are not in use. There's a reason they always run hot.


Again, it is cable box-specific and they vary DRAMATICALLY depending on how many options, bells & whistles one chooses. You have only the low end boxes with basic cable and no recording options.....your cost is far lower than if you have what most I know have.

THE AVERAGE ONE HERE, truly is right behind the two biggest culprits: A/C units and fridges.The Con Ed lady knew what she was talking about. She was FABULOUS.

There is no viable way to use a surge protector with cable boxes. It would just mess them up. They need to remain drawing power & so programmed ongoing.

Forgive me, but this is not quite as simple as you imply.

And, please know, I have my go to desktop and all its peripherals always plugged into such a strip, as right now. When I shut down a system for the day, I UNPLUG THE STRIP FROM THE WALL.
 
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Virgorising

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Addenda:

While below seems to support the use of a surge strip, as per Blinky, both Con Ed and RCN when I called them, confirmed what I thought to begin with: NOT A GOOD THING TO DO, cause the boxes have to spend forever and be stressed re reprogramming themselves from the head end.

http://consumerist.com/2011/06/27/y...ping-more-electricity-than-your-refrigerator/


After Hurricane Sandy.....my box was seriously messed up. I called RCN after doing the usual, and two reps, after doing the same from where they were remotely, said U need a new box. That was not what I got at all, I got it needed to recover from Sandy. They were like We R RCN and we know stuff. I finally caved and made an appointment. The day before, the box recovered.

What we need to do is organize and pressure carriers to use more energy efficient boxes which would cost them more money.
 

Virgorising

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Cable boxes use more power than the lights in your house? That's news to me.


YES, MATT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Having suddenly found out about the reality/details is exactly why I posted!!!!!

Course, I've been using the energy efficient compact fluorescents forever, get them on eBay, so, maybe for anyone still using incandescent, this might not be true, think it might be, tho, but yes, our cable box is third on the list of energy hogs in the average home!!!!
 

Virgorising

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Reading this post makes me feel like I'm watching Adventure Time.

In other words, very confused and a little creeped out...

Why? In what ways exactly? In the facts being presented? Wut?????

Nobody alive is meant to take anyone's word for anything. Or, expect anyone to take theirs. Open and shut. Anyone who demands that from others is a bully and, under it all, a coward. You might be moved to follow up first hand by first, calling your energy provider and then your cable provider.
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Edit: just came upon below from 2011 re the NY Times:
http://www.newhavenindependent.org/...ox_is_a_noisy_energy_hog/www.PKN-NewHaven.Org

Again, my building is hard wired for both Time-Warner and RCN. I will always choose the latter. Comcast is not available in my building.....but re the above article, same deal with all carriers and all boxes, esp the high end, complex ones with the bells and whistles.
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Another edit....just found THIS CUTIE:
DVRs
However, if I had a DVR, its power consumption would almost certainly trump the modem and router. The National Resources Defense Council reported this year that the combination of a cable box and DVR uses more power per year than a new Energy Star refrigerator. The NRDC tested several DVR models, and found some high-definition models draw more than 50 watts, even in sleep mode.
Televisions


Read more: http://www.uticaod.com/news/x765174393/5-surprising-energy-hogs-in-your-home#ixzz2g85KKJGH
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Another edit, another cutie NOT...

http://lifehacker.com/5812931/keep-your-dvr-turned-off-unless-using-it-to-save-big-on-energy-bills


 
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Virgorising

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I solved this problem by not having a cable box. :)


Cryptic=not helpful.:'( What do you do instead? Do you have a dish? Watch what you choose online? R U watchin from a space station orbiting the earth?
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I think I should give up on learning anything in this thread, and happily settle for hopefully, having offered info a lot of people do not own.....as I did, not, not that long ago.
 
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Do yourself a favor and get a watt meter and ACTUALLY test the things you use. I don't have a cable box so I can't chime in on this, but everything else I use comes in at very low wattage use. My PC setup(40" LED, 23" LED, PC, Receiver, and subwoofer) comes in at about 150 watts under normal usage, 250 when I have music video's playing with extremely high volume.
 

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My PC setup(40" LED, 23" LED, PC, Receiver, and subwoofer) comes in at about 150 watts under normal usage, 250 when I have music video's playing with extremely high volume.
Why do so many computer assemblers insist a computer needs a 600 watt supply or larger? Demonstrated is why. Many never ask for, measure, or learn numbers. Many only know because hearsay said so. The Kill-A-Watt is an ideal and inexpensive tool to obtain numbers. Numbers define what actually exists rather than believe hearsay from others.

Cable with dvr, internet modem, and cable interface boxes draws more power - constantly - than many realize. Cable company does not care. You pay for the electricity - not them. Making it cheaper rather than electrically efficient is probably more important.

How many ask how much they will be paying for electricity?
 

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A power strip, surge protected or otherwise is NOT the issue, its the switch on the power strip, don't turn it off if the stuff needs constant power.

Cable boxes "like" constant power, but realistically there would be no more ill effects other than up to a 30 min delay in turning "on" if you removed them from power. Keeping in mind the DVR can't record if there is no power during the time the program you want is broadcast.

Kill a watt and others are cheap and easy to use, find out for yourself watt is going on.
 

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Why do so many computer assemblers insist a computer needs a 600 watt supply or larger?

Yeah a 600 watt PSU can supply a big gaming PC, including the power hungry 300 watt GPU. My PC uses 30 watts at idle, it was at 25 before I added my storage drive. Of course I built it around being very energy efficient. I don't have a dedicated GPU though, just using the intel 4k graphics processor.

My power bill is extremely low, I pay just under $0.07 per Kwh. At one point I was only using 25kwh per day. My house is 2 stories, with 10 bedrooms, 3 1/2 bathroom and 2 kitchens.
 
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Cryptic hot helpful.:'( What do you do instead? Do you have a dish? Watch what you choose online? R U watchin from a space station orbiting the earth?
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I think I should give up on learning anything in this thread, and happily settle for hopefully, having offered info a lot of people do not own.....as I did, not, not that long ago.
I use an mATX HTPC computer with a cable card tuner (Verizon FIOS). When not in use it is in sleep mode and consumes >5W. The other TVs use extenders that use very little electricity when powered off. A quick calculation would indicate that I save @ $10 - $12 a month in electric vs. using cable boxes.

There are some drawbacks in the I don't get on-demand or PPV programming. On the flipside my box has 4 tuners and I could upgrade to a 6-tuner version if I wished. I can also do Netflix, Hulu, You Tube, Vudu, etc; stream DVDs, Blu-rays and music from a local server; and bring up a browser and stream from whatever is available on the internet. The HTPC has a BD player too with TotalMedia Theater so I can also slap a Blu-ray disc in if I like. As a final bonus the cablecard rental is $2.99 a month. If I had 3 HD cable boxes with DVR capabilities that would cost @ another $45/mo.
 

Virgorising

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Do yourself a favor and get a watt meter and ACTUALLY test the things you use. I don't have a cable box so I can't chime in on this, but everything else I use comes in at very low wattage use. My PC setup(40" LED, 23" LED, PC, Receiver, and subwoofer) comes in at about 150 watts under normal usage, 250 when I have music video's playing with extremely high volume.


ONE MORE ONCE: I do not need ANY MEASURING DEVICES, tho that you enjoy yours is NICE. I got the info from The Horse's Mouth, then followed up as usual, and the info is INCONTROVERTIBLE.

And, something important to know too many people do NOT know. Which is why I POSTED.
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Late edit: Subjectively, and that is all I have to go by, resetting/reprogramming the box/chip takes waaaaay longer than 30 mins. And again, you loose all yr settings.
 
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Virgorising

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i use an matx htpc computer with a cable card tuner (verizon fios). When not in use it is in sleep mode and consumes >5w. The other tvs use extenders that use very little electricity when powered off. A quick calculation would indicate that i save @ $10 - $12 a month in electric vs. Using cable boxes.

There are some drawbacks in the i don't get on-demand or ppv programming. On the flipside my box has 4 tuners and i could upgrade to a 6-tuner version if i wished. I can also do netflix, hulu, you tube, vudu, etc; stream dvds, blu-rays and music from a local server; and bring up a browser and stream from whatever is available on the internet. The htpc has a bd player too with totalmedia theater so i can also slap a blu-ray disc in if i like. As a final bonus the cablecard rental is $2.99 a month. If i had 3 hd cable boxes with dvr capabilities that would cost @ another $45/mo.

interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Virgorising

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Yeah a 600 watt PSU can supply a big gaming PC, including the power hungry 300 watt GPU. My PC uses 30 watts at idle, it was at 25 before I added my storage drive. Of course I built it around being very energy efficient. I don't have a dedicated GPU though, just using the intel 4k graphics processor.

My power bill is extremely low, I pay just under $0.07 per Kwh. At one point I was only using 25kwh per day. My house is 2 stories, with 10 bedrooms, 3 1/2 bathroom and 2 kitchens.


Where on God's earth.....do you LIVE???????? Do you have A/C? Refrigerators? That house is huge! Do you have solar panels? Wind turbines?

Here, in Manhattan, we pay close to $.30!!!!!!!!

I am sooooo impressed re yr energy efficiency!
 

Virgorising

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A power strip, surge protected or otherwise is NOT the issue, its the switch on the power strip, don't turn it off if the stuff needs constant power.

Cable boxes "like" constant power, but realistically there would be no more ill effects other than up to a 30 min delay in turning "on" if you removed them from power. Keeping in mind the DVR can't record if there is no power during the time the program you want is broadcast.

Kill a watt and others are cheap and easy to use, find out for yourself watt is going on.


I know about surge strips, I have three. but AGAIN, U BET, there are huge downsides to a cable box having to program itself over and over and over! Observing all that happens just resetting it, or having an RCN rep do it remotely.....says it all.

Big power draw during the resetting, you loose ALL YOUR SETTINGS, MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE BRICK, AND, it takes a very, very, VERY long time.
 
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Virgorising

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Why do so many computer assemblers insist a computer needs a 600 watt supply or larger? Demonstrated is why. Many never ask for, measure, or learn numbers. Many only know because hearsay said so. The Kill-A-Watt is an ideal and inexpensive tool to obtain numbers. Numbers define what actually exists rather than believe hearsay from others.

Cable with dvr, internet modem, and cable interface boxes draws more power - constantly - than many realize. Cable company does not care. You pay for the electricity - not them. Making it cheaper rather than electrically efficient is probably more important.

How many ask how much they will be paying for electricity?


GET THE CHEERLEADERS! Start the half time show! This post distinguishes itself as, so far, the most accurate and so, valuable one of all.:thumbsup::D

And so it.....is INCANDESCENT. Cause its veracity/ importance means it has its own, onboard POWER SUPPLY.

I just turned off my screen, and this post was still there, completely visible and legible.:cool:():)
 

Virgorising

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All his (her?) posts are like that o_O

YES. Which ever elements you find foreign, but, naturally failed to delineate....the answer is still YES.:)

Edit: If you check out humans like Ice-T and Jay-Z in relaxed interviews, they are both remarkably literate and introspective.
 
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