Big California Tax Hike, Spending Cuts

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Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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I like Arnold. He's a pragmatist. He wants to fix the gap in the budget. I voted for Republican state officials but they lost. The California legislature is Democratic and won't agree to significantly cut spending (which they should do). Arnold has to compromise. Some cuts and some tax hikes. It's reasonable.

This has got to hurt his political future though. I wonder what he's thinking from a politician's viewpoint.
 

marincounty

Diamond Member
Nov 16, 2005
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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
We will pave the I15 to the state line and beyond for you.

No state income tax

Welcome to a state that appreciates businesses.

You guys have been sucking the teat of California for years with your gambling. Now with the recession and Indian gaming your gravytrain is coming to an end.

Maybe Nevada will just dry up and blow away.
Oh wait, you have a nuclear waste dump. Good luck with that.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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CA has now lost ka-millions after banning gay marriage.
Tourist, weddings, travel, etc.
So up U taxes all those that voted yes. :thumbsup:
Hey... maybe the "church" will raise milions and bail U out??? :laugh:
 

marincounty

Diamond Member
Nov 16, 2005
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Notice Arnold is proposing a 1.5 cent rise in the sales tax, the most regressive tax there is.
God forbid Republicans raise the income tax, with its progressiveness.
California's budget requires 2/3 to pass, thus a small minority (right wing Republicans) is able to hold the budget process hostage. They refuse to allow any income tax increase, forcing Arnold and the state to more and more rely on gimmicks, like borrowing and the lottery.
 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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I don't understand, where the hell is the 9.3% state income tax and 8.25% sales tax all going?
 

glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
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Originally posted by: Evan
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The exodus to flee the failed state will only move faster.

They all can move to Alabama "que dueling banjos"

You have no idea how many of us Californians are already here. We run into new couples every week. Just today in Oak Mountain state park.

Oh, but you shouldn't move here. Those twisters are terrible TERRIBLE things. Don't want to randomly get sucked up into the sky do you? No, of course not. You can stay in CA and wallow in your own abomination. It?ll do you good to realize the ramifications of socialist policy.

Huh? CA contributes more taxes per dollar to poachers like you than any other state in the Union and is the largest economic power in the U.S. to boot, ahead of NY.

As it should be, since that's what you typically vote for. It's your choice that you disregard that you're a high cost-of-living state and that higher marginal tax rates on the "wealthy" are going to be disproportionately paid by you, to go to the lower cost-of-living "poor" states.

 

colossus

Lifer
Dec 2, 2000
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Just saw some poll on KABC news:

65% of Angelinos are against a tax hike
25% are for it
10% undecided

For those idiots who voted for prop 1A and voted against a tax hike - may I suggest you turn your flesh into organic mulch - YOU PEOPLE ARE A WASTE OF CARBON!

You can't pass a 10 (realistically 20) billion dollar bond measure and not expect taxes to go up. What, did you think the train would just magically get done.

Surprised somebody hasn't put on the ballot a bill for flying ponies for all Californians or maybe even a free money tree.


As said above, I think the state should ban the use of credit cards... :disgust:
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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California is just a big fail. Course, NY state can't even keep its population due to a tax horny government, but don't kill the messenger. This is about CA :)
 

extra

Golden Member
Dec 18, 1999
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Hmm, uhh. So he's raising taxes and cutting spending, to try to pay down the debt.

Why is this bad? Sounds RESPONSIBLE but unpopular, to me.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Before Arnold, Californians elected democrat Gray Davis. Davis was the first democrat elected in a long time, following a bunch of not too good Republicans.

IMO, David did a lot of good things, but he wasn't too well known, despite being re-elected to a second term.

But early in Bush's presidency, after 9/11, Republicans sensed a political momentum and went aftrer a recall campaign.

The campaign had two main issues. One was the broad dissatisfaction with energy outages, now known to have been largely manipulated by Enron, and the other was a populist appeal to the tax haters because after the dot com crash, Davis had ended a temporary suspension of a DMV licensing fee because it was needed again to balance the state budget.

California has a bad culture on taxes - it passed Prop 13, a Republican measure to get rid of business property taxes which devastated state income, adding in residential property tax slashing to get votes. There was a legitimate issue with high property taxes as property values shot up, but Prop 13 was a hammer instead of a scalpel.

So, Davis faced some dissatisfaction because the companythat was Bush's biggest donor targetted democratic California, and because the right-wing noise machine screamed over the DMV licensing fee. It worke, the voters recalled the little-known Davis, and elected Arnold, who had been a close friend to Enron, one of a few invitees to meet with them on their 'California strategy'. Of course, he repealed the DMV fee.

The punch line to he story is that the FMC fee had revenue that matched closely the later deficits Arnold is dealing with. Had Davis remained in office with the fee - no deficits.

Of course, this s a big political embarrassment for Arnold if he just reinstated the fee, but I heard a report today some increase there is now part of his plan.

There was a third campaign issue, accusations that Davis took too much money from special interest donations. Arnold pledge he would take zero, since he was 'rich'.

On that issue as well, Davis wins. Arnold quickly defined special interests to only include donors to democrats like Unions, not business, and took more money than Davis had.

In short, IMO Californias screwed up by recalling Gray Davis. Arnold could be worse, but Davis was better. Once again, Republicans pursued power recklessly and harmed CA.

One other impact - CA would have gay marriage today had Davis been governor. The legislature courageously passed it, but Arnold vetoed it.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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It's not fucking rocket science here. NOBODY wants a tax hike, but it's gotta be done.
 

alphatarget1

Diamond Member
Dec 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: marincounty

Maybe Nevada will just dry up and blow away.
Oh wait, you have a nuclear waste dump. Good luck with that.

Reid will kill the dump site though. Agreed about Nevada. What a piece of shit worthless state.
 

alphatarget1

Diamond Member
Dec 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: marincounty
Notice Arnold is proposing a 1.5 cent rise in the sales tax, the most regressive tax there is.
God forbid Republicans raise the income tax, with its progressiveness.
California's budget requires 2/3 to pass, thus a small minority (right wing Republicans) is able to hold the budget process hostage. They refuse to allow any income tax increase, forcing Arnold and the state to more and more rely on gimmicks, like borrowing and the lottery.

Um, CA has one of the highest state income tax in the nation. Adding Obama's tax increases + CA state income tax + medicare + SS tax, I would think the effective tax rate would be close to if not over 50%.
 

alphatarget1

Diamond Member
Dec 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Craig234
Before Arnold, Californians elected democrat Gray Davis. Davis was the first democrat elected in a long time, following a bunch of not too good Republicans.

IMO, David did a lot of good things, but he wasn't too well known, despite being re-elected to a second term.

But early in Bush's presidency, after 9/11, Republicans sensed a political momentum and went aftrer a recall campaign.

The campaign had two main issues. One was the broad dissatisfaction with energy outages, now known to have been largely manipulated by Enron, and the other was a populist appeal to the tax haters because after the dot com crash, Davis had ended a temporary suspension of a DMV licensing fee because it was needed again to balance the state budget.

California has a bad culture on taxes - it passed Prop 13, a Republican measure to get rid of business property taxes which devastated state income, adding in residential property tax slashing to get votes. There was a legitimate issue with high property taxes as property values shot up, but Prop 13 was a hammer instead of a scalpel.

So, Davis faced some dissatisfaction because the companythat was Bush's biggest donor targetted democratic California, and because the right-wing noise machine screamed over the DMV licensing fee. It worke, the voters recalled the little-known Davis, and elected Arnold, who had been a close friend to Enron, one of a few invitees to meet with them on their 'California strategy'. Of course, he repealed the DMV fee.

The punch line to he story is that the FMC fee had revenue that matched closely the later deficits Arnold is dealing with. Had Davis remained in office with the fee - no deficits.

Of course, this s a big political embarrassment for Arnold if he just reinstated the fee, but I heard a report today some increase there is now part of his plan.

There was a third campaign issue, accusations that Davis took too much money from special interest donations. Arnold pledge he would take zero, since he was 'rich'.

On that issue as well, Davis wins. Arnold quickly defined special interests to only include donors to democrats like Unions, not business, and took more money than Davis had.

In short, IMO Californias screwed up by recalling Gray Davis. Arnold could be worse, but Davis was better. Once again, Republicans pursued power recklessly and harmed CA.

One other impact - CA would have gay marriage today had Davis been governor. The legislature courageously passed it, but Arnold vetoed it.

Gray Davis was a failure. There were much more issues in that recall election, including disability insurance for workers. Arnold improved business climate a lot in his first term.

Don't even get me started about unions, especially the prison union. It was Arnold who took on them.

That was the right veto. Issues like gay marriage is a social issue that should be decided by the society. People are saying they're not ready for gay marriage yet, and you should just accept it until people are willing to change.

(disclosure: I didn't vote for or against prop 8)

It pisses me off every time some Democrats defend the actions of the Democratic party in CA. Sure Arnold isn't perfect, but having tools like Davis and Angelides (sp? where did he disappear to?) run the state with a bunch of *real* socialists is not exactly a smart thing to do.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: AmerDoux
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
And yet voters approved more programs.

And yet people want minimum wage higher, so jobs move out of state or to India/China.

I want the f-ing credit card eliminated. States should only be able to borrow under REAL emergencies.

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...49JG0O3&show_article=1

Arnie is a Republican

Next you are going to tell me Clay Aiken is gay.

What does that have do to with anything?

He's your hero not mine.

Nobody respects Arnold anymore, including the Republican party. He spouts all kinds of threats and then caves on almost every single one of them. He is, however, correct that something must be done to address the fiscal crisis in Ca. Arnold just has a history of going about things the wrong way and pissing everyone off.

/Democrat & Ca State Employee

He's still worlds better than Joe Davis was.
 

TheSlamma

Diamond Member
Sep 6, 2005
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always so extreme. Sure I may not agree with it,

but "All your paycheck are belong to us" = 1.5% sales tax increase? Take your vitamin (known as prozac) and a deep breath. It sucks but it'll still be okay.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Originally posted by: JS80
I don't understand, where the hell is the 9.3% state income tax and 8.25% sales tax all going?

The STATE sales tax rate is about 7.25%. The rest is city/county add-ons...that were voted in by the residents of the area.
I currently pay 7.375%, but the county has pushed "Measure S" which would raise sales taxes by .5%, SUPPOSED to be guaranteed to be used for road construction : roll; so far, it's failing...barely, but lacking about 1%
 

ICRS

Banned
Apr 20, 2008
1,328
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: JS80
I don't understand, where the hell is the 9.3% state income tax and 8.25% sales tax all going?

The STATE sales tax rate is about 7.25%. The rest is city/county add-ons...that were voted in by the residents of the area.
I currently pay 7.375%, but the county has pushed "Measure S" which would raise sales taxes by .5%, SUPPOSED to be guaranteed to be used for road construction : roll; so far, it's failing...barely, but lacking about 1%

I remember a few years back when we were asked to renew the 0.50 sale tax of the county, we were promised so many wonderful things. We were told the money could be used for building a new interchange for the 99, 50, B80, 5 interchange in downtown. We were told about a possible new freeway or expressway from Elk Grove to Folsom. I remember hearing so many wonderful projects this could be used on. None of these wonderful projects have come to be.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
66,557
14,952
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Originally posted by: ICRS
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: JS80
I don't understand, where the hell is the 9.3% state income tax and 8.25% sales tax all going?

The STATE sales tax rate is about 7.25%. The rest is city/county add-ons...that were voted in by the residents of the area.
I currently pay 7.375%, but the county has pushed "Measure S" which would raise sales taxes by .5%, SUPPOSED to be guaranteed to be used for road construction : roll; so far, it's failing...barely, but lacking about 1%

I remember a few years back when we were asked to renew the 0.50 sale tax of the county, we were promised so many wonderful things. We were told the money could be used for building a new interchange for the 99, 50, B80, 5 interchange in downtown. We were told about a possible new freeway or expressway from Elk Grove to Folsom. I remember hearing so many wonderful projects this could be used on. None of these wonderful projects have come to be.

Ain't that the way it USUALLY works?

In the 90's we voted for a gas-tax increase that was "guaranteed" to ONLY be used for road construction...until they needed the money somewhere else. As many times as the voters in Kahleeforneeya have voted to increase one tax or another for road construction, the fucking roadways ought to be paved with gold by now...
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
36,070
10,408
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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The exodus to flee the failed state will only move faster.

They all can move to Alabama "que dueling banjos"

You have no idea how many of us Californians are already here. We run into new couples every week. Just today in Oak Mountain state park.

Oh, but you shouldn't move here. Those twisters are terrible TERRIBLE things. Don't want to randomly get sucked up into the sky do you? No, of course not. You can stay in CA and wallow in your own abomination. It?ll do you good to realize the ramifications of socialist policy.

Well, since we're stereotyping:

I would much rather deal with the issues in California then having to worry about the following:

-Being told that I have a pretty mouth on a daily basis.
-Being made to squeal like a pig.
-Not being able to buy alcohol on certain days of the week. I'm my drunkest on Sundays.
-Fear of meeting the gay guy.
-The gay guy's fear of meeting me.
-Being culturally over-stimulated by the...wait...nevermind.
-Being referred to as an Alabamian. This sounds too close to "Albanian," and with the rampant xenophobia in place there, I'm surprised that there haven't been more lynchings because of this.
-The lynchings

I love painting with a broad brush. You really get all of the colors that way.

It would do you good to point out what I stereotyped, what was it?