Big business wins, net neutrality is all but dead for now.

[Imp]

On the bright side, my AT&T stock should go up?

 

[dmcowen674]

It's over.

It's particularly sad to see all this happen in my lifetime.

We have a government of the 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%.

This but seen it coming for over 10 years.

Americans deserve to be screwed over.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

On a service with a low bandwidth cap (like mobile), that is basically what we have.

at least we have wifi to get the majority of our data on smart devices!

hmm...

well shit

 

[SSSnail]

And you know what will happen? About 5% of the people will actually read this news, of those 5%, about 20% will have an idea of what net neutrality is, and then about 2% of those 20% care enough to talk about it, and, that's it... That's all it will ever be - apathy.

There are FAR more important issues than net neutrality, but everyone is so engrossed in their daily lives to do anything about it.

(Dear NSA, I'm good citizen, I'm just saying that most people don't care, or are too stupid to care)

 

[John Connor]

It's over. It's particularly sad to see all this happen in my lifetime.

Fuck the FCC. Fuck Obama. Fuck Congress. Fuck lobbyists.

We have a government of the 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%.

:thumbsup:

 

[Attic]

The reason we have a government of the 0.01%, for the 0.01%, and by the 0.01% is because the 0.01% knows that everyone else wants more iShit or the new iWhatever shit.

People WILL pay more for internet, they might complain and have their rights and net neutrality destroyed, but they will pay more rather than shutting off.

A few ways to starve the beast, but 99% are ok with giving more money away and just complaining about the situation. The threat of change is pretty malignant to the 0.01%.

I agree it's fucked, just saying the owners at the end of the money funnel of corrupt system, the 0.01%, know that nothing's gonna change not because of inherent corruption in a system like the USA (Representative Republic in Name only), but because everybody else isn't gonna do shit to change the corruption.

 

[Fritzo]

I think this is going to be one of those things where the government won't step in until they start seeing some negative things happening, because all of the old people running the country don't quite understand what a "Netflix" is.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

you can never have net neutrality when a couple sites like youtube, netflix and that gaming site account for such a ridiculous percentage of net traffic. it just looks unfair businesswise that they arent paying for that

They already pay their share. They pay for their connections, and i pay for mine, what I request from the internet is my business.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Except individual bandwidth hogs are more or less subsidized by the current system. They do NOT pay their fair share. Which means Netflix is more or less subsidized because its users are more or less subsidized.

Honestly if people want net neutrality, they should accept metered usage(you pay for what you use).

This is a BS argument, go to your cell company and pay $50 per mb if you want.

 

[Fritzo]

This is a BS argument, go to your cell company and pay $50 per mb if you want.

This is what people that use 400GB a month always say

Seriously though, unless you're a chronic file sharer, most people will stay out of Netflix bandwidth gluttony if they just log into Netflix and set their stream to 720p (or even 480p if it's a smaller TV). It doesn't make that big of difference in quality and it saves a huge amount of bandwidth.

 

[Jimzz]

I think this is going to be one of those things where the government won't step in until they start seeing some negative things happening, because all of the old people running the country don't quite understand what a "Netflix" is.

Yep I see a lot of things starting to build up. Only a matter of time before a ma bell type break up happens or something worse.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Wake up sheeple!

/s

 

[poofyhairguy]

Seriously though, unless you're a chronic file sharer, most people will stay out of Netflix bandwidth gluttony if they just log into Netflix and set their stream to 720p (or even 480p if it's a smaller TV). It doesn't make that big of difference in quality and it saves a huge amount of bandwidth.

Meh, if they are going to cap me at 350GB I am going to download 340ish GB every month to get my money's worth.

 

[rh71]

so... which country is the best in terms of... everything? I'm pretty tired of this whole 1-percenter thing too.

so basically since nobody else answered this, we really do have the best country in the world?

 

[Wonderful Pork]

Meh, if they are going to cap me at 350GB I am going to download 340ish GB every month to get my money's worth.

If they're going to meter me, then I'd damn well better be getting the speeds I'm paying for, whether I reach the limit or not (+/- 5% is OK - not any of this 1/2 speed at "peak times" crap).

Overselling the infrastructure isn't my concern, especially when you're going to charge me more if I go over an arbitrary limit you set! And I'm usually well under 300gb/month.

The fact that I can change plans for anything from 5MB/s to 150 MB/s and you can change it OVER THE PHONE means the infrastructure should not be the bottleneck - just pure greed. (I'm not saying 5MB should cost the same as 150, just that I should be able to constantly get the 50MB I pay for, when higher tiers are offered for more $. Just 50MB, not any more, I get that too...).

 

[MiniDoom]

I'd be ok paying $10/TB if they transferred data at best effort speeds. $30-40 month for 300MB connection sounds pretty good.

 

[videogames101]

haha that petitions website is literally a pacifier for the masses

 

[thraashman]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-true-net-neutrality-protect-freedom-information-united-states/9sxxdBgy

Unfortunately a petition to the Whitehouse will do exactly nothing. The FCC is a independent organization and legally the President cannot direct them to do anything. In addition the change in FCC rules came about because of a district court decision and they legally had to change their rules. The only way this changes is if Congress acts, and they've balked at legislating net neutrality for a while now.

 

[Wonderful Pork]

I'd be ok paying $10/TB if they transferred data at best effort speeds. $30-40 month for 300MB connection sounds pretty good.

$10/TB would mean my monthly bill would be $2.50 (not that I'd complain).

I'd be OK with a bill for $50/month (about what I pay for electricity), for best effort speeds. This works out to about $.20/GB since I move about 250/month avg. And then some months I'll pay more, and others I'll pay less (like when I'm on vacation...Comcast is perfectly fine with me paying for the service and not using it!)

 

[MiniDoom]

...

 

[Murloc]

I can't find any data caps in my contract or the company acceptable use policy.

Yay.

Also downloading copyrighted stuff for personal use is legal here, only sharing is banned.

I guess this is the best country right now as far as the internet goes.

 

[JM Aggie08]

I can't find any data caps in my contract or the company acceptable use policy.

Yay.

Also downloading copyrighted stuff for personal use is legal here, only sharing is banned.

I guess this is the best country right now as far as the internet goes.

It's quite easy to be the best country in the world with such a homogeneous society.

 

[rudder]

you can never have net neutrality when a couple sites like youtube, netflix and that gaming site account for such a ridiculous percentage of net traffic. it just looks unfair businesswise that they arent paying for that

ISP's can take care of this problem without government regulations. I have charter... 20/3. If all my neighbors each with 3 hdtv's all start streaming movies.... no way charter can give me those speeds so they have to pay to upgrade equipment. So they can throttle netflix or make netflix pay to better speeds. Is there some reason I am not seeing why the government has to get involved?

 

[Wonderful Pork]

ISP's can take care of this problem without government regulations. I have charter... 20/3. If all my neighbors each with 3 hdtv's all start streaming movies.... no way charter can give me those speeds so they have to pay to upgrade equipment. So they can throttle netflix or make netflix pay to better speeds. Is there some reason I am not seeing why the government has to get involved?

So you're OK with paying for a certain speed and NOT getting it? I understand guaranteed speeds and commercial vs home broadband, QoS, etc but if they are advertising 20/3, and you're getting 10/1 shouldn't they be advertising 10/1?

A couple quarters of capital investments cutting into the record profits would help them out long term - but they have no incentive to do that since they're essentially a monopoly. Ah well, seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

[Jimzz]

Unfortunately a petition to the Whitehouse will do exactly nothing. The FCC is a independent organization and legally the President cannot direct them to do anything. In addition the change in FCC rules came about because of a district court decision and they legally had to change their rules. The only way this changes is if Congress acts, and they've balked at legislating net neutrality for a while now.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-true-net-neutrality-protect-freedom-information-united-states/9sxxdBgy


They could have written the rules to make them a common carrier also.

What they did was give cable companies, places many FCC commissioners work for after leaving the FCC, what they want.