Big 12 should be Big 1.2

[sciencewhiz]

After USC owned Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, Oklahoma can't even beat a middle of the road Pac 10 team.

Now, the Big 1.2 has 2 ranked teams, a very good Texas team (who still have to put away 5 years of history next week) and a Texas Tech team that has to play 1-AA teams to score as many points as USC does against an SEC team.

Nebraska is getting close to being ranked, but they have to struggle to beat a 1-AA team, and struggled to beat a soon to be 1-AA team (pittsburgh).

Does anybody think Texas would have as many wins if they played in a real conference, like the SEC, Pac 10, or Big 10?

 

[ElFenix]

you mean the Pac 1.0?


all we really know is that ASU can't finish.

not to mention that we're just getting into conference play so, yes, texas would probably have just as many wins if they played in any other conference. USC hasn't beaten anyone anywhere near the calibre of tOSU.

 

[jammur21]

Texas Tech has a joke of a schedule.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you mean the Pac 1.0?


all we really know is that ASU can't finish.

not to mention that we're just getting into conference play so, yes, texas would probably have just as many wins if they played in any other conference. USC hasn't beaten anyone anywhere near the calibre of tOSU.

That play where it looked like the ASU receiver tossed the ball to a USC defender was ridiculous. WTH was going on there? ASU had a near certain chance of winning the game if it weren't for that.

 

[aeroguy]

The Pac 10 has one great team this year just like the big 12 does. Oh, and speaking of last years bowl games, Texas won in the Rose Bowl and the second best team in the Pac 10, Cal, got their asses handed to them. Picking out one game in a season is asinine.

Now, are we talking about overrated just this year or also in past years? If we're speaking about traditionally strong conferences... the Pac 10 might as well be a mid-major.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you mean the Pac 1.0?

 

[MrCodeDude]

The Big 12 used to be good. This year, not so much. This season is just a fluke. You can't hold Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas down for very long.

The Pac 10 has always been a joke. Other than USC the past couple years, when was the last time you had a serious contender? Washington in 1991. In that time, Nebraska had three national titles and Oklahoma had one.

 

[knoxweather]

All of you would get owned by the SEC!!!!

 

[aeroguy]

Originally posted by: knoxweather
All of you would get owned by the SEC!!!!

I see by your sig that you are non-partisan

 

[Pacfanweb]

You aren't trying to tell us that the Pac 10 is a real conference other than USC are you?

Dude, the ACC is the best and toughest conference in the country. The SEC is next.

Let USC or Texas play an ACC schedule. They'd never go undefeated. Look at all the good teams in the ACC that have been recent NCAA champs....FSU, Miami....VT played in a few BCS bowls, so did Maryland. The middle of the road teams, like Maryland, Georgia Tech, NC State, UNC, UVA, Clemson can beat the big boys on any given Saturday. Even the lower teams like Wake Forest can give the better teams all they want.
You can't say that about more than MAYBE one team a year in the Pac 10.
I'd give VT, FSU, or Miami and even-money shot at beating USC, especially by the end of the season. But no other Pac 10 team would be favored over either of these three, and probably not over several more ACC teams either.

Sorry, but the ACC owns. Sad thing is, it's going to be hard for an ACC team to ever win the MNC again, because the conference champ is usually always going to have at least one loss from now on.

 

[knoxweather]

Originally posted by: aeroguy

Originally posted by: knoxweather
All of you would get owned by the SEC!!!!

I see by your sig that you are non-partisan

Oh course not....

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sad thing is, it's going to be hard for an ACC team to ever win the MNC again, because the conference champ is usually always going to have at least one loss from now on.

The SEC has had conference championship games since 1992. Since that time 5 schools have won the SEC with perfect in-conference records.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: aeroguy
The Pac 10 has one great team this year just like the big 12 does. Oh, and speaking of last years bowl games, Texas won in the Rose Bowl and the second best team in the Pac 10, Cal, got their asses handed to them. Picking out one game in a season is asinine.

Now, are we talking about overrated just this year or also in past years? If we're speaking about traditionally strong conferences... the Pac 10 might as well be a mid-major.

You're picking out 1 game also. Cal basically kicked every team around last year and if you watched the USC vs Cal game last year whether you are a USC fan or not, you have to admit Cal played a lot better despite losing. It was mainly hte special teams that cost the game for Cal.

Furthermore, if you look at the Holiday Bowl, Texas Tech used a spread offense. How do you think Utah kicked so much ass last year? Cal couldn't handle spread offense. Also, Cal had a bunch of injured players by the end of last year. Geoff McArthur wasn't playing, Chase Lyman was out since the USC game.. blah blah blah... Their top receivers that Rodgers worked with all summer were out and they were using freshmen to play on.

You guys are just Pac-10 haters because what.. we have 5 ranked schools? Look at their players stats. There's a reason JJ Arrington rushed for over 100 yds per game last year and why Reggie Bush can't be stopped. Yea, and it's because the Pac-10 sucks right...

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you mean the Pac 1.0?

Wow, the Pac 10 has lost the half of a good team you gave them credit for last year?

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
The Big 12 used to be good. This year, not so much. This season is just a fluke. You can't hold Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas down for very long.

Stop living in the past about Nebraska. Oklahoma can't beat a good OOC opponent since Stoops left and Texas can't beat Oklahoma.

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
The Pac 10 has always been a joke. Other than USC the past couple years, when was the last time you had a serious contender? Washington in 1991. In that time, Nebraska had three national titles and Oklahoma had one.

I could pick an arbitrary beginning year and an arbitrary team and prove any other conference sucks as well. When you choose your dataset and conditions, you can prove anything you want, but it doesn't make your proof valid.

Going alphabetically:
ACC, start at 1991 and throw out Florida State. The only championships they can claim is from a team that wasn't in the conference when they won them.
Big 10, 1987 and throw out Ohio State. Only one split championship since then.
Big 12, 1991 and throw out Nebraska. Only one championship.
Big East, throw out Miami and I don't think they've ever had a championship.
SEC, 1959 and throw out Alabama. You have a single championship by Florida and Tennessee and half a championship by LSU.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sad thing is, it's going to be hard for an ACC team to ever win the MNC again, because the conference champ is usually always going to have at least one loss from now on.

The SEC has had conference championship games since 1992. Since that time 5 schools have won the SEC with perfect in-conference records.

But not perfect records overall, since Spurrier had a hard time beating FSU.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sad thing is, it's going to be hard for an ACC team to ever win the MNC again, because the conference champ is usually always going to have at least one loss from now on.

The SEC has had conference championship games since 1992. Since that time 5 schools have won the SEC with perfect in-conference records.

But not perfect records overall, since Spurrier had a hard time beating FSU.

I'd have to go back and look again but I think only one of those five teams didn't have perfect overall records.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
The Big 12 used to be good. This year, not so much. This season is just a fluke. You can't hold Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas down for very long.

Stop living in the past about Nebraska. Oklahoma can't beat a good OOC opponent since Stoops left and Texas can't beat Oklahoma.

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
The Pac 10 has always been a joke. Other than USC the past couple years, when was the last time you had a serious contender? Washington in 1991. In that time, Nebraska had three national titles and Oklahoma had one.

I could pick an arbitrary beginning year and an arbitrary team and prove any other conference sucks as well. When you choose your dataset and conditions, you can prove anything you want, but it doesn't make your proof valid.

Going alphabetically:
ACC, start at 1991 and throw out Florida State. The only championships they can claim is from a team that wasn't in the conference when they won them.
Big 10, 1987 and throw out Ohio State. Only one split championship since then.
Big 12, 1991 and throw out Nebraska. Only one championship.
Big East, throw out Miami and I don't think they've ever had a championship.
SEC, 1959 and throw out Alabama. You have a single championship by Florida and Tennessee and half a championship by LSU.

So you're saying throw out all the champions? What sense does that make? Okay, go with bowl teams and wins in those bowls by the teams other than the championship teams. Pac 10 still is worse than the ACC, SEC, or several other conferences.
Starting at 1991 as you did, until USC got good recently, the Pac 10 has had zero championships, IIRC, so I guess you don't need to throw anyone out.

 

[Nitemare]

USC is a shell of a team since Chow left. When and if you ever decide to play a good team out of conference and play like you have recently, you will be stomped!

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sad thing is, it's going to be hard for an ACC team to ever win the MNC again, because the conference champ is usually always going to have at least one loss from now on.

The SEC has had conference championship games since 1992. Since that time 5 schools have won the SEC with perfect in-conference records.

But not perfect records overall, since Spurrier had a hard time beating FSU.

I'd have to go back and look again but I think only one of those five teams didn't have perfect overall records.

What 5 teams? There have been 13 years since 1992.

1993 champ had a loss.
1994 champ had 2 losses, counting the bowl.
1995 champ got butt-raped in their bowl (UF vs. Nebraska)
1997 champ had 2 losses, counting the bowl.
1999 champ had 2 losses, counting the bowl.
2000 champ had 1 loss.
2001-2003 champs all had at least one loss.

So most of the SEC champs have had at least one loss. Which is going to be the same thing most years in the ACC now, and that's why I think the ACC will have a tough time winning the MNC often. Too tough a conference.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you mean the Pac 1.0?

Wow, the Pac 10 has lost the half of a good team you gave them credit for last year?

what team did i give half a credit for? you mean those cry-babies over at cal who whined about mack brown's comment? (which lost texas votes, but cal apologists overlook that) the same cal that got romped on by tech? if i gave them half a credit at any point last season, they lost it by the end of the season.

 

[gooseman]

Oklahoma has 7 National Championships, how many does USC have?

 

[knoxweather]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sad thing is, it's going to be hard for an ACC team to ever win the MNC again, because the conference champ is usually always going to have at least one loss from now on.

The SEC has had conference championship games since 1992. Since that time 5 schools have won the SEC with perfect in-conference records.

But not perfect records overall, since Spurrier had a hard time beating FSU.

I'd have to go back and look again but I think only one of those five teams didn't have perfect overall records.

What 5 teams? There have been 13 years since 1992.

1993 champ had a loss.
1994 champ had 2 losses, counting the bowl.
1995 champ got butt-raped in their bowl (UF vs. Nebraska)
1997 champ had 2 losses, counting the bowl.
1999 champ had 2 losses, counting the bowl.
2000 champ had 1 loss.
2001-2003 champs all had at least one loss.

So most of the SEC champs have had at least one loss. Which is going to be the same thing most years in the ACC now, and that's why I think the ACC will have a tough time winning the MNC often. Too tough a conference.

Left out 1998 When Tennessee went 13-0.... Best season I have ever seen!!!!

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: knoxweather

Left out 1998 When Tennessee went 13-0.... Best season I have ever seen!!!!

Isn't that the year they played against the girls?

 

[fatty4ksu]

1998 KSU>98 UT