Biden Says Don't Trust a Spying President

[waggy]

I didnt now about it when bush was in office, if I had I would have been just as pissed.

it was in the news. I do suspect it was as bad as i tis today but just not known.

I was against the "Patriot act" from the start and one of the things i bitched about the government.

 

[LTC8K6]

Except Bush was doing it illegally, bypassing the FISA court. Spying on Americans actually started during the Cold War.

It's a bit more complicated than that, and we were attacked by AQ in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

 

[Incorruptible]

ivwshane, you really are quite the hack. Defend the Dems to the death.

He has lost any credibility he had. Only blind partisan hacks can defend obama on this and there are some in this thread.

These people are the hardcore obama supporters who don't care if he spies on Americans as long as they get their welfare by stealing from hard working taxpayers.

 

[Smoblikat]

I heard somthing funny today on the news,

If the government can spy on us and track us so well, how come they are unable to locate the NSA leaker ?

 

[rudder]

I heard somthing funny today on the news,

If the government can spy on us and track us so well, how come they are unable to locate the NSA leaker ?

It is the media that cannot track him. I am sure the NSA knows exactly where he is at.

 

[dank69]

wtf? i really will never understand this "lock step defend my party at all cost" bullshit.

I *think* ivwshane's point is that we haven't actually caught the government monitoring phone calls, we've only "caught" them collecting data before the originating company destroys it. And again, the data collected is not call content, which is what Biden was talking about.

Remember, you have to try to keep a level head when digesting nutter spin.

Fact: NSA collects copy of phone call metadata
Becomes: NSA is collecting all phone conversations

Biden's statements do not contradict the fact, only the blown out of proportion version of the fact.

I mean, look at the second reply in this thread saying that the government is doing "exactly that" when there is zero evidence to prove it.

 

[soundforbjt]

It's a bit more complicated than that, and we were attacked by AQ in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

That's just the excuse Bush used to do it illegally.

 

[Matt1970]

It is the media that cannot track him. I am sure the NSA knows exactly where he is at.

I bet they know where he is. If he were somewhere other than China they would be scraping pieces of him off the streets. Kill list anyone?

 

[LTC8K6]

That's just the excuse Bush used to do it illegally.

We know that. It's not a bad excuse, imo, especially around the time of the attack, given the parameters it was operated within.

 

[Matt1970]

I *think* ivwshane's point is that we haven't actually caught the government monitoring phone calls, we've only "caught" them collecting data before the originating company destroys it. And again, the data collected is not call content, which is what Biden was talking about.

Remember, you have to try to keep a level head when digesting nutter spin.

Fact: NSA collects copy of phone call metadata
Becomes: NSA is collecting all phone conversations

Biden's statements do not contradict the fact, only the blown out of proportion version of the fact.

I mean, look at the second reply in this thread saying that the government is doing "exactly that" when there is zero evidence to prove it.

"I don’t have to listen to your phone calls to know what you’re doing,” Biden said. “If I know every single phone call you made, I’m able to determine every single person you talk to, I can get a pattern about your life that is very, very intrusive.

 

[dank69]

"I don’t have to listen to your phone calls to know what you’re doing,” Biden said. “If I know every single phone call you made, I’m able to determine every single person you talk to, I can get a pattern about your life that is very, very intrusive.

Okay, maybe I misjudged what his point was. :hmm:

 

[ivwshane]

Lol you guys are funny.

I agree with Bidens statement and I suspect most of you do as well. The fact that this admin is doing exactly what it says it didnt need to do doesnt change the fact that the statement is correct.

Unless of course you have no problem with spying on Americans in which case, yes I'm defending the anti spying statement made by Biden.

So who is the hack again?

 

[colonelciller]

I *think* ivwshane's point is that we haven't actually caught the government monitoring phone calls, we've only "caught" them collecting data before the originating company destroys it. And again, the data collected is not call content, which is what Biden was talking about.

Remember, you have to try to keep a level head when digesting nutter spin.

Fact: NSA collects copy of phone call metadata
Becomes: NSA is collecting all phone conversations

Biden's statements do not contradict the fact, only the blown out of proportion version of the fact.

I mean, look at the second reply in this thread saying that the government is doing "exactly that" when there is zero evidence to prove it.

NARES devices duplicate and capture 100% of traffic that passes on a fiberoptic line... that is CONTENT my friend, not merely metadata. Look up San francisco and NSA... for context lookup William Benny.

as to content, NSA documents explicitly confirm that nsa has direct access to Google, Microsoft, Facebook... servers. that's email, that's skype covnversation, that's cloud storage, that is ALL FACEBOOK CONTENT,... etc, ect, etc

 

[colonelciller]

Lol you guys are funny.

I agree with Bidens statement and I suspect most of you do as well. The fact that this admin is doing exactly what it says it didnt need to do doesnt change the fact that the statement is correct.

Unless of course you have no problem with spying on Americans in which case, yes I'm defending the anti spying statement made by Biden.

So who is the hack again?

the problem is Biden's blatant hypocrisy. the problem is the spying that Biden's and Obamas administration is doing on Americans... look at what Obama is building to store all this Data FOrever

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

 

[BoberFett]

Lol you guys are funny.

I agree with Bidens statement and I suspect most of you do as well. The fact that this admin is doing exactly what it says it didnt need to do doesnt change the fact that the statement is correct.

Unless of course you have no problem with spying on Americans in which case, yes I'm defending the anti spying statement made by Biden.

So who is the hack again?

Your support of Biden's message doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's right there alongside your unabashed support of the Obama administration no matter what they do. That's why people are rolling their eyes at you. Because you're sitting there telling us how you agree with Biden saying that the government shouldn't be spying on US citizens, while at the same time giving Obama a handjob under the table. That makes you a hack.

 

[chucky2]

Holy sh1t, another thread where people are defending Pali, er, Biden!?!? Haha, partisan looners are partisan looners...

 

[ivwshane]

Your support of Biden's message doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's right there alongside your unabashed support of the Obama administration no matter what they do. That's why people are rolling their eyes at you. Because you're sitting there telling us how you agree with Biden saying that the government shouldn't be spying on US citizens, while at the same time giving Obama a handjob under the table. That makes you a hack.

Really? Please find a post of me defending these actions.

It shouldn't be hard if I'm a liar but if you are a liar I doubt we will be seeing your face again in here.

I await your evidence.

 

[z1ggy]

The sad part about all this is, is that people should be out protesting infront of the WH or Congress demanding answers and that people up top be held accountable. The media SHOULD be supporting this, but instead major players like CNN call Snowden a "traitor" and try to toss him under the bus.

The shear magnitude of what the government has the capability to do to somebody is down right scary, and people should be going nuts over this.

But instead we are slowly conditioned tobelieve we need to give up little freedoms here and there for the guise of protection.

 

[ivwshane]

the problem is Biden's blatant hypocrisy. the problem is the spying that Biden's and Obamas administration is doing on Americans... look at what Obama is building to store all this Data FOrever

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

I'm well aware of the hypocrisy, I'm also well aware of the problem; the American people who are ok with giving up freedoms for security who vote in like minded individuals. This isn't a left/right issue its a mentality issue and the mentality is that people would rather be safe than free.

Having said that, can you show me where in the OP's post the word hypocrisy came up? All I see is a quoted comment and a desire to hear an opinion about the comment.

Are you mad that I only commented about the comment itself?

I'm sorry if I got in the way of your guys circle jerk.

 

[ivwshane]

The sad part about all this is, is that people should be out protesting infront of the WH or Congress demanding answers and that people up top be held accountable. The media SHOULD be supporting this, but instead major players like CNN call Snowden a "traitor" and try to toss him under the bus.

The shear magnitude of what the government has the capability to do to somebody is down right scary, and people should be going nuts over this.

But instead we are slowly conditioned tobelieve we need to give up little freedoms here and there for the guise of protection.

Change the channel and tell us how the other networks are reporting on it

 

[Matt1970]

I'm well aware of the hypocrisy, I'm also well aware of the problem; the American people who are ok with giving up freedoms for security who vote in like minded individuals. This isn't a left/right issue its a mentality issue and the mentality is that people would rather be safe than free.

Having said that, can you show me where in the OP's post the word hypocrisy came up? All I see is a quoted comment and a desire to hear an opinion about the comment.

Are you mad that I only commented about the comment itself?

I'm sorry if I got in the way of your guys circle jerk.

You apparently are not aware of the hypocrisy.

 

[BoberFett]

Really? Please find a post of me defending these actions.

It shouldn't be hard if I'm a liar but if you are a liar I doubt we will be seeing your face again in here.

I await your evidence.

When did I say you defended these actions? As I said, you defend the Obama administration in general. This particular issue doesn't exist in a vacuum. The only thing you do around here is rip into Republicans. Whether they deserve it or not is immaterial to this conversation. The fact is, you and many of the other wingnuts around here hold Republicans in contempt, but find it nigh impossible to criticize your Dear Leader.

 

[ivwshane]

When did I say you defended these actions? As I said, you defend the Obama administration in general. This particular issue doesn't exist in a vacuum. The only thing you do around here is rip into Republicans. Whether they deserve it or not is immaterial to this conversation. The fact is, you and many of the other wingnuts around here hold Republicans in contempt, but find it nigh impossible to criticize your Dear Leader.

And you and many other wing nuts in here bash the president whether he deserves it or not so I guess there is balance.

Also if you post has nothing to do with this topic, why bring it up? Or are you simply supplying me with more examples of you adding ZERO to the conversation?

 

[Darwin333]

Except Bush was doing it illegally, bypassing the FISA court. Spying on Americans actually started during the Cold War.

FISA court has nothing to do with collecting domestic intelligence which is what everyone is up in arms about right now. Furthermore, this is illegal too regardless of what bullshit law they are citing.

 

[BoberFett]

And you and many other wing nuts in here bash the president whether he deserves it or not so I guess there is balance.

Also if you post has nothing to do with this topic, why bring it up? Or are you simply supplying me with more examples of you adding ZERO to the conversation?

Having now gone back and read your posting history for the past few weeks, it's safe to say you add less then zero to any thread you post in.