Biden moves to mandate vaccines for large part of workforce

[tugofpeace]

What they don't even stop to think about is what is ACTUALLY required to fake mortality counts.

The counts are public information from thousands of individual hospitals, and hundreds of state, county and city health departments. Even in GOP strongholds. (The irony now is the highest cases and deaths are in GOP administrated areas)

All of those individual counts are public information and added up to the total.

If ANY numbers were "padded" to create a higher national number the local hospital or health dept. would cry foul.

To fake the mortality counts would require hundreds of thousands of people in red and blue states to be in on the conspiracy to lie.

The ONLY attempt at mortality count fraud we have seen is GOP governors attempting to withhold mortality counts. Period.

And what is the strongest evidence for padding the numbers? Weak anecdotal evidence of someone claiming to know someone who went into the hospital for something non-covid and their death was listed as covid. Conspiracy confirmed, bitches!

It is pure insanity.

there's nothing hard about it. How many doctors used ventilators at the start of the pandemic because it was protocol? Same thing here.

 

[tugofpeace]

(see bold typed) This is factually false. If they are counted as COVID deaths, then COVID was the cause of death (COVID pnemonia to be exact) with their other medical issues contributing. If they didn't get COVID, these people would have lived longer.

It's no differnce than someone with a bad hearts, cancer, etc getting ran over and killed by a car. It sure as hell wasn't their heart or cancer that killed them, they just may have had a higher chance of survival if they didn't have those medical issues.

Now stop with you lies, falsehoods, manipulation, and other bullshit.

Enjoy getting a booster every 6 months - oh wait, boosters didnt get approved, I wonder why?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ahhh so much better in here with our newly woke member being on ignore.

 

[tugofpeace]

PMV is right. Your calculations are utter bullshit.
You are either being disingenuous and know this, or you're an idiot and are too stubborn to admit that you're very wrong.

Either way you aren't worth the effort to argue with.

oof, its difficult to "debunk" what I wrote so youre just going to call it bullshit.

LMAO

Really intelligent, buddy

 

[SteveGrabowski]

except the person I quoted made his retard mistake using .03% which I corrected

LOL retard talks shit to someone for fucking up the math while he got it wrong too.

 

[Amused]

there's nothing hard about it. How many doctors used ventilators at the start of the pandemic because it was protocol? Same thing here.

Um, what? You're not even addressing the actual point.

 

[VW MAN]

oof, its difficult to "debunk" what I wrote so youre just going to call it bullshit.

LMAO

Really intelligent, buddy

No need to debunk your bullshit with anything. Everyone here can see right through your bullshit. The only thing that needs to be done is to confront the fucking dumbfuck clowns just like you who are spreading the bullshit and get right in their stupid fucking clown faces and tell them their bullshit stinks to high heaven!

If you want to have a real conversation, start with the premise of not using bullshit that is nothing more then garbage spoon fed to the willful morons just like you, so they can go run around the internet spewing nonsense, just like you, while pretending to know what in the actual fuck they are talking about, just like you.

You are doing your handlers, who coincidently don't give 2 stinking shits about you, a great service. Only the dumbasses , just like you, will keep the clown show rolling all the while sucking the orange turds dick while his enablers run a train on your ass!

 

[Jaskalas]

So if all these unrelated deaths are being wrongly counted as COVID deaths why do the excess mortality numbers indicate we are actually undercounting COVID deaths?

But they got their own numbers you see. Fantasy land know no limits. Just throw fud into the air and see what sticks. Some suckers fall for it due to unfortunate right wing association. Once this camel gets its nose under the tent, the game is lost in the minds of the vulnerable. They hear what they like to hear. Sooner or later they will not tolerate contradictions, no matter how much evidence is provided. For they will claim the messenger or the evidence is tainted. Only theirs is the one true evidence.

They will literally argue one of two things in the face of your statement. Either....

1. The lockdowns killed people.
2. Or your numbers aren't real, there was no excess mortality in the past year.

It comes down to this. We do not post for the sake of those whose minds are already lost. We post for those undecided whom we can yet save from a decent unto madness.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So if all these unrelated deaths are being wrongly counted as COVID deaths why do the excess mortality numbers indicate we are actually undercounting COVID deaths?

Yeah amazing how all the regular pneumonia deaths shot up to hell in early 2020 in Texas, Florida, and a few other parts of the confederacy right about the time COVID started killing people. Was it University of Washington who estimated 900,000 COVID deaths in the US so far right about the time Delta was hitting India?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It comes down to this. We do not post for the sake of those whose minds are already lost. We post for those undecided whom we can yet save from a decent unto madness.

Yeah this dude in the thread is likely a trollfarm shitposter the way he has his talking points queued up.

 

[WelshBloke]

oof, its difficult to "debunk" what I wrote so youre just going to call it bullshit.

LMAO

Really intelligent, buddy

Its not difficult to debunk. Your calculations are trash. They are literally gibberish that follow no logic.

Either you know that and then there's no point in me spending any effort picking it apart or you are too thick to understand why its bullshit in which case its also not worth my time to pick it apart.
Its not like there's a small mathematical error there, it's all nonsensical gibberish.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah this dude in the thread is likely a trollfarm shitposter the way he has his talking points queued up.

Yeah I question that.
His diction is pretty good, his reading comprehension is extraordinary poor.
Strange combination to have.

 

[tugofpeace]

It is hilarious seeing you guys constantly cover for big pharma and the medical establishment.

just two more weeks!

get the vaccine and you dont have to wear a mask!

suggesting the virus came out of china is raycist!

theres no such thing as isolation camps for the unvaccinated!

vaccine passports are a right wing conspiracy!

vaccines will never be mandated!

trust the science!

You guys will be defending Fauci even if you're getting jabbed every single day with a new booster while you take covid pills daily as well and quarantine at home while wearing masks indoors. LMAO

all for a virus with a ~99.7% survival rate

and the vast majority of you are completely unhinged, just REEEing at someone who provides a opinion different than yours, using excessive profanity - how do you survive in the real world? Do you ever go outside?

 

[Bitek]

did you actually think I was going to read all this garbage? LMAO

You obviously read lots of garbage on the internet, yet you draw the line here?

However invested enough to formulate a response. Hmm

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It is hilarious seeing you guys constantly cover for big pharma and the medical establishment.

just two more weeks!

get the vaccine and you dont have to wear a mask!

suggesting the virus came out of china is raycist!

theres no such thing as isolation camps for the unvaccinated!

vaccine passports are a right wing conspiracy!

vaccines will never be mandated!

trust the science!

You guys will be defending Fauci even if you're getting jabbed every single day with a new booster while you take covid pills daily as well and quarantine at home while wearing masks indoors. LMAO

all for a virus with a ~99.7% survival rate

and the vast majority of you are completely unhinged, just REEEing at someone who provides a opinion different than yours, using excessive profanity - how do you survive in the real world? Do you ever go outside?

You're such a victim, cry some more.

 

[tugofpeace]

Its not difficult to debunk. Your calculations are trash. They are literally gibberish that follow no logic.

Either you know that and then there's no point in me spending any effort picking it apart or you are too thick to understand why its bullshit in which case its also not worth my time to pick it apart.
Its not like there's a small mathematical error there, it's all nonsensical gibberish.

Imagine using crude mortality rate to determine the lethality of a virus. LMAO

 

[tugofpeace]

You're such a victim, cry some more.

I'm crying of laughter, sure. Seeing all of you just REEEE and use profanity is rich. I didnt think democrats were this emotionally unintelligent but here we are

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I'm crying of laughter, sure. Seeing all of you just REEEE and use profanity is rich. I didnt think democrats were this emotionally unintelligent but here we are

poor shitposter cry some more

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

just two more weeks!

If fucking pieces of shit like you actually stayed home for two weeks it had a good chance of working.

get the vaccine and you dont have to wear a mask!

That was true before Delta variant, which literally no one could have predicted, swept the globe.

suggesting the virus came out of china is raycist!

Citation needed.

theres no such thing as isolation camps for the unvaccinated!

Citation needed.

vaccine passports are a right wing conspiracy!

Citation needed.

vaccines will never be mandated!

They aren't.

trust the science!

You do comprehend the fact that science is a method of collecting, analyzing, and drawing conclusions from data? The methods, the data collected, the analysis, and the conclusions are constantly changing. You can make whatever baseless claims you like, and maybe eventually the actual people following due diligence to collect the data, analyze it, and draw conclusions will eventually reach the conclusion you did with no evidence or scientific analysis of any kind. Maybe not. But you can't make baseless claims and then pull an "I told you so", you literally pulled the claim out of your ass and simply waited for actual scientists, doctors, and researchers to collect the data and meaningfully draw the same conclusion.

Every step of the way the trustworthy agencies issued the best advice they could using the most up to date data and analysis they could. They, unlike you, can't just spout off some fucking bullshit because peoples lives are literally at stake and they have a public duty to protect them.

You guys will be defending Fauci even if you're getting jabbed every single day with a new booster while you take covid pills daily as well and quarantine at home while wearing masks indoors. LMAO

I'm glad you are telepathic and can tell the future. Good for you!

all for a virus with a ~99.7% survival rate

Even if that is accurate, the original Covid-19 strain and emerging strains like Delta variant are extremely transmissible. For something that is difficult to transmit and few people actually get infected with each year, that number might be handwaving away worthy. But with the kind of transmissibility Covid and the emergent strains have, blanket saying "It's OK for 0.3% of the entire population to die from a preventable disease" is outright insanityland. Not to mention the Covid death underreporting that has been mentioned several times.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm crying of laughter, sure. Seeing all of you just REEEE and use profanity is rich. I didnt think democrats were this emotionally unintelligent but here we are

I see you're still engaging in that rational, intelligent, mature debate you claim to want.

 

[KIAman]

s with a ~99.7% survival rate

I didn't read the entire thread, but let's take a moment here and assume this number is true. Why is this "survival rate" the anchor that you hold on to, as if this is the only issue that COVID causes. Have you not considered the secondary effects, such as hospitals being completely overloaded and rationing care for other non-covid patients?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I didn't read the entire thread, but let's take a moment here and assume this number is true. Why is this "survival rate" the anchor that you hold on to, as if this is the only issue that COVID causes. Have you not considered the secondary effects, such as hospitals being completely overloaded and rationing care for other non-covid patients?

Yes he has. He said the death numbers are hoax and meant to sound scary so we can all be under China's social credit score.

 

[HomerJS]

It is hilarious seeing you guys constantly cover for big pharma and the medical establishment.

just two more weeks!

get the vaccine and you dont have to wear a mask!

suggesting the virus came out of china is raycist!

theres no such thing as isolation camps for the unvaccinated!

vaccine passports are a right wing conspiracy!

vaccines will never be mandated!

trust the science!

You guys will be defending Fauci even if you're getting jabbed every single day with a new booster while you take covid pills daily as well and quarantine at home while wearing masks indoors. LMAO

all for a virus with a ~99.7% survival rate

and the vast majority of you are completely unhinged, just REEEing at someone who provides a opinion different than yours, using excessive profanity - how do you survive in the real world? Do you ever go outside?

First of all the so people here covering for big pharma want the Sackler family drawn and quartered so false.

The Alpha variant had a survival rate of 98.5% but was highly contagious. If you want to take Trump's original plan and lie about it going away you would condemn 8,275,000 people to death.

Great plan, Skippy

 

[Amused]

It is hilarious seeing you guys constantly cover for big pharma and the medical establishment.

just two more weeks!

get the vaccine and you dont have to wear a mask!

suggesting the virus came out of china is raycist!

theres no such thing as isolation camps for the unvaccinated!

vaccine passports are a right wing conspiracy!

vaccines will never be mandated!

trust the science!

You guys will be defending Fauci even if you're getting jabbed every single day with a new booster while you take covid pills daily as well and quarantine at home while wearing masks indoors. LMAO

all for a virus with a ~99.7% survival rate

and the vast majority of you are completely unhinged, just REEEing at someone who provides a opinion different than yours, using excessive profanity - how do you survive in the real world? Do you ever go outside?

So, virtually every single immunologist, virologist, epidemiologist and 99.9% of all MDs IN EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY on earth are conspiring to lie to us and/or duped by "big pharma?"

That is literally what you have to believe to believe you.

Conspiracy belief doesn't make you "woke." It's like an instant IQ test. Just like flat earth.

You're using an awful lot of words to tell everyone you're incapable of critical thought.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes he has. He said the death numbers are hoax and meant to sound scary so we can all be under China's social credit score.

He's also alleged some conspiracy to hide vaccine side effects but refuses to get into the details of this massive, worldwide cabal.