Biden moves to mandate vaccines for large part of workforce

[tugofpeace]

You know comically little of drug development. Tell me how you think a vaccine that is now fully approved by the FDA, went through a phase 3 trial with 45000 enrollees and has since been administered to billions of people is experimental. There has been more clinical data generated on the pfizer vaccine than probably any other in history, and Moderna is not far behind.

Just stop with the FUD, it's tiring.

Oof, the condescending intellectual. So edgy. Please, tell me more about how a vaccine using never before implemented mRNA technology on humans has been fully fleshed out with long term effects fully known within 10 months.

While you're at it, please explain to me what the 94% number Pfizer claims regarding it's vaccine means?

Furthermore, please explain why OSHA will not require employers to record adverse affects regarding the vaccines? It's because the vaccine is so safe, right?

Lara Logan Notes the OSHA Shift in Record Keeping that Preceded Joe Biden's Use of The Agency for Vaccine Enforcement - The Last Refuge

Lara Logan notes how Joe Biden is using the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) as the compliance mechanism to enforce mandatory COVID vaccination as a requirement for continued employment; and contrasts Biden’s announcement against the earlier press release from OSHA in May of...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[fskimospy]

Oof, the condescending intellectual. So edgy. Please, tell me more about how a vaccine using never before implemented mRNA technology on humans has been fully fleshed out with long term effects fully known within 10 months.

To be fair you’ve said so many obviously false and easily disproven things at this point that you’re inviting condescension. For example the insane Nuremberg Code thing. Biden is not forcing anyone to get vaccinated, period. The idea that because the vaccinated can still contract and transmit it there’s no value to vaccination was just stupid.

Second, when you say ‘long term effects’ what do you mean? How long is long term? A year? Five? Fifty? We have a long history of vaccination and long term side effects are extremely rare, so this is really just a case of following the science.

While you're at it, please explain to me what the 94% number Pfizer claims regarding it's vaccine means?

Furthermore, please explain why OSHA will not require employers to record adverse affects regarding the vaccines? It's because the vaccine is so safe, right?

Lara Logan Notes the OSHA Shift in Record Keeping that Preceded Joe Biden's Use of The Agency for Vaccine Enforcement - The Last Refuge

Lara Logan notes how Joe Biden is using the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) as the compliance mechanism to enforce mandatory COVID vaccination as a requirement for continued employment; and contrasts Biden’s announcement against the earlier press release from OSHA in May of...

theconservativetreehouse.com

Is the idea that there’s some sort of vast unreported side effects going on with the vaccines? If not, what is the relevance here? If so, can you describe this conspiracy?

 

[tugofpeace]

To be fair you’ve said so many obviously false and easily disproven things at this point that you’re inviting condescension. For example the insane Nuremberg Code thing. Biden is not forcing anyone to get vaccinated, period. The idea that because the vaccinated can still contract and transmit it there’s no value to vaccination was just stupid.

Second, when you say ‘long term effects’ what do you mean? How long is long term? A year? Five? Fifty? We have a long history of vaccination and long term side effects are extremely rare, so this is really just a case of following the science.


Is the idea that there’s some sort of vast unreported side effects going on with the vaccines? If not, what is the relevance here? If so, can you describe this conspiracy?

What have I said that was false and easily disproven? For being easily disproven, it's odd that people resorted to insults instead of easily disproving it and going on their merry way.

Let me give you an example on the meaning of "force".

You're walking alone at night, and someone jumps out of the shadows and points a gun at your head, saying "give me your wallet or die".

You have a choice, yes, but your choice is under duress. You can choose to keep the wallet and die, or you can choose to give the wallet and live. That is coercion.

On that same note:

Biden is threatening to fine private companies $14,000 per employee who isn't vaccinated.

What does this look like?

I can choose to get the vaccine and keep my job OR I can choose not to get the vaccine and get fired.

That is not freedom of choice, that is coercion. Freedom of choice would be an employer encouraging an employee to get the vaccine, with no consequences. Not only that, but these vaccines ARE experimental. We still do not know the long term effects of the vaccine. This is why the Nuremburg code is being violated. Can anybody guarantee that these vaccines will not effect me 5 years from now? How about all the boosters that are being released? Israel is on it's 4th one now.

Furthermore:

Take a look at this document.

https://circleofmamas.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Compilation-of-Injuries-Deaths-Jan-Aug-2021.pdf

Note how many people died or had serious complications within days/weeks of the jab. These are legitimately healthy people, could be any of us. Of course it is POSSIBLE that the vaccine did not cause it, but using common sense, it is obvious what happened.

If you do not agree with that logic, then why is it that whenever someone tests positive for COVID despite having a heart attack, stroke, cancer, etc, it's a COVID death? Different logic is being used in either case.

Nobody knows the true rate of adverse reactions towards the vaccine. It is being swept under the rug.

Now as for what I originally posted?

Explain to me, at least on the following two:

Why is this video a conspiracy/fake? This is a Harvard MD on the Chicago board of health.

If you do think it is fake, how can you say that when the video is supported by the following article written a year later in a completely different region?

Santa Clara County revises total COVID deaths by over 20% - San José Spotlight

Santa Clara County’s COVID-19 death toll dropped by 22% this month. That’s not a mistake—last Friday, county health officials announced a narrower criteria for deaths attributable to COVID-19, which excluded about 500 fatalities previously attributed to the disease. A similar change took place...

sanjosespotlight.com

Not only that, but isn't it odd how the CDC changes the definition of a vaccine since these current vaccines aren't working as intended?

https://j99news.com/2021/09/09/the-cdc-changes-the-definition-of-vaccine-so-that-it-cannot-be-interpreted-as-meaning-that-vaccines-are-100-effective/

 

[VW MAN]

What have I said that was false and easily disproven? For being easily disproven, it's odd that people resorted to insults instead of easily disproving it and going on their merry way.

Let me give you an example on the meaning of "force".

You're walking alone at night, and someone jumps out of the shadows and points a gun at your head, saying "give me your wallet or die".

You have a choice, yes, but your choice is under duress. You can choose to keep the wallet and die, or you can choose to give the wallet and live. That is coercion.

On that same note:

Biden is threatening to fine private companies $14,000 per employee who isn't vaccinated.

What does this look like?

I can choose to get the vaccine and keep my job OR I can choose not to get the vaccine and get fired.

That is not freedom of choice, that is coercion. Freedom of choice would be an employer encouraging an employee to get the vaccine, with no consequences. Not only that, but these vaccines ARE experimental. We still do not know the long term effects of the vaccine. This is why the Nuremburg code is being violated. Can anybody guarantee that these vaccines will not effect me 5 years from now? How about all the boosters that are being released? Israel is on it's 4th one now.

Furthermore:

Take a look at this document.

https://circleofmamas.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Compilation-of-Injuries-Deaths-Jan-Aug-2021.pdf

Note how many people died or had serious complications within days/weeks of the jab. These are legitimately healthy people, could be any of us. Of course it is POSSIBLE that the vaccine did not cause it, but using common sense, it is obvious what happened.

If you do not agree with that logic, then why is it that whenever someone tests positive for COVID despite having a heart attack, stroke, cancer, etc, it's a COVID death? Different logic is being used in either case.

Nobody knows the true rate of adverse reactions towards the vaccine. It is being swept under the rug.

Now as for what I originally posted?

Explain to me, at least on the following two:

Why is this video a conspiracy/fake? This is a Harvard MD on the Chicago board of health.

If you do think it is fake, how can you say that when the video is supported by the following article written a year later in a completely different region?

Santa Clara County revises total COVID deaths by over 20% - San José Spotlight

Santa Clara County’s COVID-19 death toll dropped by 22% this month. That’s not a mistake—last Friday, county health officials announced a narrower criteria for deaths attributable to COVID-19, which excluded about 500 fatalities previously attributed to the disease. A similar change took place...

sanjosespotlight.com

Not only that, but isn't it odd how the CDC changes the definition of a vaccine since these current vaccines aren't working as intended?

https://j99news.com/2021/09/09/the-cdc-changes-the-definition-of-vaccine-so-that-it-cannot-be-interpreted-as-meaning-that-vaccines-are-100-effective/

Fuck off clown and take your bullshit truth twisting conspiracy garbage with you!

 

[NWRMidnight]

What have I said that was false and easily disproven? For being easily disproven, it's odd that people resorted to insults instead of easily disproving it and going on their merry way.

Let me give you an example on the meaning of "force".

You're walking alone at night, and someone jumps out of the shadows and points a gun at your head, saying "give me your wallet or die".

You have a choice, yes, but your choice is under duress. You can choose to keep the wallet and die, or you can choose to give the wallet and live. That is coercion.

On that same note:

Biden is threatening to fine private companies $14,000 per employee who isn't vaccinated.

What does this look like?

I can choose to get the vaccine and keep my job OR I can choose not to get the vaccine and get fired.

That is not freedom of choice, that is coercion. Freedom of choice would be an employer encouraging an employee to get the vaccine, with no consequences. Not only that, but these vaccines ARE experimental. We still do not know the long term effects of the vaccine. This is why the Nuremburg code is being violated. Can anybody guarantee that these vaccines will not effect me 5 years from now? How about all the boosters that are being released? Israel is on it's 4th one now.

Furthermore:

Take a look at this document.

https://circleofmamas.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Compilation-of-Injuries-Deaths-Jan-Aug-2021.pdf

Note how many people died or had serious complications within days/weeks of the jab. These are legitimately healthy people, could be any of us. Of course it is POSSIBLE that the vaccine did not cause it, but using common sense, it is obvious what happened.

If you do not agree with that logic, then why is it that whenever someone tests positive for COVID despite having a heart attack, stroke, cancer, etc, it's a COVID death? Different logic is being used in either case.

Nobody knows the true rate of adverse reactions towards the vaccine. It is being swept under the rug.

Now as for what I originally posted?

Explain to me, at least on the following two:

Why is this video a conspiracy/fake? This is a Harvard MD on the Chicago board of health.

If you do think it is fake, how can you say that when the video is supported by the following article written a year later in a completely different region?

Santa Clara County revises total COVID deaths by over 20% - San José Spotlight

Santa Clara County’s COVID-19 death toll dropped by 22% this month. That’s not a mistake—last Friday, county health officials announced a narrower criteria for deaths attributable to COVID-19, which excluded about 500 fatalities previously attributed to the disease. A similar change took place...

sanjosespotlight.com

Not only that, but isn't it odd how the CDC changes the definition of a vaccine since these current vaccines aren't working as intended?

https://j99news.com/2021/09/09/the-cdc-changes-the-definition-of-vaccine-so-that-it-cannot-be-interpreted-as-meaning-that-vaccines-are-100-effective/

Everything you are posting has already been brought up and proven false in the COVID topic (go spend some time there), as well as some of your repeated lies in this topic. the PDF you posted is all based off vaers data base which are not verified or accurate as ANYONE can add to it, you, me, your neighbor, your buddies you snort crack with. Anyone.

You are getting so bad with you bullshit, that you have resorted to repeating the same false bullshit you have already posted, as if you keep posting such BS that it will turn factual and mean something. It won't Just stop already.

 

[tugofpeace]

Fuck off clown and take your bullshit truth twisting conspiracy garbage with you!

You gonna cry?

Everything you are posting has already been brought up and proven false in the COVID topic, as well as some of your repeated lies in this topic. the PDF you posted is all based off vaers data base which are not verified or accurate as ANYONE can add to it, you, me, your neighbor, your buddies you snort crack with. Anyone.

You are getting so bad with you bullshit, that you are have resorted to repeating the same false bullshit. Just stop!

Of course it has 🙂

Prove it wrong then dipshit, otherwise you're just talking out of your ass like everyone else. "Hurr durr it's already been disproven, I'll wait for someone else to disprove it because it's not worth my time". lmao

 

[fskimospy]

What have I said that was false and easily disproven? For being easily disproven, it's odd that people resorted to insults instead of easily disproving it and going on their merry way.

I gave you two examples already. How many more would you like?

Let me give you an example on the meaning of "force".

You're walking alone at night, and someone jumps out of the shadows and points a gun at your head, saying "give me your wallet or die".

You have a choice, yes, but your choice is under duress. You can choose to keep the wallet and die, or you can choose to give the wallet and live. That is coercion.

On that same note:

Biden is threatening to fine private companies $14,000 per employee who isn't vaccinated.

What does this look like?

I can choose to get the vaccine and keep my job OR I can choose not to get the vaccine and get fired.

This is false. No one is forced to get the vaccine - they can also be tested instead.

You’ve been repeatedly corrected on this but keep making the false claim anyway. Why?

That is not freedom of choice, that is coercion. Freedom of choice would be an employer encouraging an employee to get the vaccine, with no consequences. Not only that, but these vaccines ARE experimental. We still do not know the long term effects of the vaccine. This is why the Nuremburg code is being violated. Can anybody guarantee that these vaccines will not effect me 5 years from now? How about all the boosters that are being released? Israel is on it's 4th one now.

These vaccines are not experimental by any legal or medical definition I am aware of. Can you link me to the legal or medical basis for your determination from a reputable source?

Furthermore:

Take a look at this document.

https://circleofmamas.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Compilation-of-Injuries-Deaths-Jan-Aug-2021.pdf

Note how many people died or had serious complications within days/weeks of the jab. These are legitimately healthy people, could be any of us. Of course it is POSSIBLE that the vaccine did not cause it, but using common sense, it is obvious what happened.

This is a pretty obvious and elementary error of selection bias. Thousands of people die every day and millions of people were getting vaccinated. That some of them would die just like any other time is the default assumption.

If you can show me some research that indicates a higher odds ratio for death in the days and weeks after vaccination that would be interesting evidence. If you think a collection of anecdotes from an anti-vaxxer website is compelling then…wow.

If you do not agree with that logic, then why is it that whenever someone tests positive for COVID despite having a heart attack, stroke, cancer, etc, it's a COVID death? Different logic is being used in either case.

This is false. Where did you get this idea from, specifically?

Nobody knows the true rate of adverse reactions towards the vaccine. It is being swept under the rug.

Okay so you ARE alleging a conspiracy. Can you describe it to me? Who is sweeping it under the rug, specifically? How are they doing it?

Now as for what I originally posted?

Explain to me, at least on the following two:

Why is this video a conspiracy/fake? This is a Harvard MD on the Chicago board of health.

If you do think it is fake, how can you say that when the video is supported by the following article written a year later in a completely different region?

Santa Clara County revises total COVID deaths by over 20% - San José Spotlight

Santa Clara County’s COVID-19 death toll dropped by 22% this month. That’s not a mistake—last Friday, county health officials announced a narrower criteria for deaths attributable to COVID-19, which excluded about 500 fatalities previously attributed to the disease. A similar change took place...

sanjosespotlight.com

Not only that, but isn't it odd how the CDC changes the definition of a vaccine since these current vaccines aren't working as intended?

https://j99news.com/2021/09/09/the-cdc-changes-the-definition-of-vaccine-so-that-it-cannot-be-interpreted-as-meaning-that-vaccines-are-100-effective/

Who would ever think a vaccine was 100% effective? That was literally never claimed. Straw man.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You gonna cry?



Of course it has 🙂

Prove it wrong then dipshit, otherwise you're just talking out of your ass like everyone else. "Hurr durr it's already been disproven, I'll wait for someone else to disprove it because it's not worth my time". lmao

I already told you where your proof is at, on this very board . Have at it!

 

[tugofpeace]

I already told you where it's at, on this very board . Have at it!

You have taken this much time to respond, but you can't "debunk" any of what I've written. LMAO

Just like every other liberal who can't either. Surprise surprise

 

[VW MAN]

You gonna cry?



Of course it has 🙂

You make me cry...hahahha...Fuck off clown!

 

[tugofpeace]

You make me cry...hahahha...Fuck off clown!

 

[MrSquished]

So there is nothing different between the vaccinated and unvaccinated?

It's amazing how people can be so fucking stupid. And it's not necessarily trolling.

There are literally tens of millions of people this fucking dumb.

Democrats time to arm up. These people are armed and fucking insane.

When it comes time, we will have to shoot them in the vitals when they attack.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You have taken this much time to respond, but you can't "debunk" any of what I've written. LMAO

Just like every other liberal who can't either. Surprise surprise

IT'S ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED IN THE COVID TOPIC ON THIS BOARD! If you are to lazy to change topics to read up on it's that's on you.

 

[tugofpeace]

So there is nothing different between the vaccinated and unvaccinated?

It's amazing how people can be so fucking stupid. And it's not necessarily trolling.

There are literally tens of millions of people this fucking dumb.

Democrats time to arm up. These people are armed and fucking insane.

When it comes time, we will have to shoot them in the vitals when they attack.

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots

apnews.com

How stupid of you.

Imagine getting the jab and being told you still have to wear a mask. LMAO

It's funny you say non democrats are dumb, yet your party believes there are something like 56 genders, that men can get pregnant, that defunding the police is smart and doesn't lead to more crime, etc. just LOL

 

[MrSquished]

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots

apnews.com

How stupid of you.

Imagine getting the jab and being told you still have to wear a mask. LMAO

Who is in the hospital clogging up hospitals systems and screwing over vaccinated people that need other medical help and dying more?

Seriously. Just catch the virus and remove yourself from the gene pool and do the planet a favor.

You are a piece of shit useless waste of oxygen.

 

[MrSquished]

My dog makes poops more helpful to society than this guy.

At least it can be used as a sort of fertilizer. This guy's idiocy cancels his body's potential to compost as useless.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots

apnews.com

How stupid of you.

Imagine getting the jab and being told you still have to wear a mask. LMAO

It's funny you say non democrats are dumb, yet your party believes there are something like 56 genders, that men can get pregnant, that defunding the police is smart and doesn't lead to more crime, etc. just LOL

Did you read the article? It only applies to the break through cases, which are very rare. (A fraction of a percent)

Why keep posting stuff you obviously don't read thinking it supports your false narrative?

 

[MrSquished]

Did you read the article? It only applies to the break through cases, which are very rare.

Why keep.posring stuff you obviously don't read thinking it supports your false narrative?

You don't understand. Stop being a thinking rational person.

These people are not thinking rational people. There is nothing good about them.

They are the people that have constituted the most evil doing populations in history.

They are evil.

 

[tugofpeace]

Who is in the hospital clogging up hospitals systems and screwing over vaccinated people that need other medical help and dying more?

Seriously. Just catch the virus and remove yourself from the gene pool and do the planet a favor.

You are a piece of shit useless waste of oxygen.

You are also dumb enough to believe a statistic like 99% of hospitalized covid patients are unvaccinated. LMAO

Let's look at the UK data, shall we? If you can't read the image below, scroll to page 21 on the attached document.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf

Let's calculate:

Total deaths of all ages for unvaccinated divided by total unvaccinated hospitalizations = (536/219,716)*100 = 0.2439%
Total deaths of all ages for vaccinate > 14 days post dose 2 = (1,091/113,823)*100 = 0.9585%

OOF

 

[fskimospy]

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots

apnews.com

How stupid of you.

Imagine getting the jab and being told you still have to wear a mask. LMAO

It's funny you say non democrats are dumb, yet your party believes there are something like 56 genders, that men can get pregnant, that defunding the police is smart and doesn't lead to more crime, etc. just LOL

From earlier in this same thread here’s a higher quality study that says you’re wrong.

Here is a much larger study that shows vaccinated people have lower viral loads.

BIG-IP logout page

Lower cycle threshold = higher viral load.

We analysed Ct values associated with positive results among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals as a measure of viral load and as a proxy for infectiousness. For all positives in round 13, at ages 18 to 64 years, median Ct value was higher for vaccinated participants at 27.6 (25.5, 29.7) compared with unvaccinated at 23.1

Now you claim to be an intelligent and rational person. Armed with this new knowledge would you like to revise your opinion?

 

[tugofpeace]

Did you read the article? It only applies to the break through cases, which are very rare. (A fraction of a percent)

Why keep posting stuff you obviously don't read thinking it supports your false narrative?

Right, because every break through case results in symptoms right? Another L.

Vaccinated are silent spreaders which is why the CDC recommended them to mask up.

You guys are just as complicit as the anti vaxxers you demonize for going out and living their lives.

 

[fskimospy]

You are also dumb enough to believe a statistic like 99% of hospitalized covid patients are unvaccinated. LMAO

Let's look at the UK data, shall we? If you can't read the image below, scroll to page 21 on the attached document.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf

Let's calculate:
Total deaths of all ages for unvaccinated divided by total unvaccinated hospitalizations = (536/219,716)*100 = 0.2439%
Total deaths of all ages for vaccinate > 14 days post dose 2 = (1,091/113,823)*100 = 0.9585%
OOF

I’m going to offer you a free hint. Go look at what percentage of the >50 population is vaccinated, then think about what that means for your numbers.

 

[Zorba]

Fuck off clown and take your bullshit truth twisting conspiracy garbage with you!

Yup, pretty sure this is an alt account of that other dude that started shitting all over the vaccine threads. Obvious troll, refuses to respond to counter points and take only minutes to post 500 word posts with links to crazy websites/videos.

 

[MrSquished]

These people are literally evil filth. They are the same type of people that became brown shirts, maoists, Nazis. Brainwashed not functioning in reality sociopaths.

People. Get vigilant. They will lash out and they have leaders willing to take them there.

 

[fskimospy]

I gave you two examples already. How many more would you like?


This is false. No one is forced to get the vaccine - they can also be tested instead.

You’ve been repeatedly corrected on this but keep making the false claim anyway. Why?


These vaccines are not experimental by any legal or medical definition I am aware of. Can you link me to the legal or medical basis for your determination from a reputable source?


This is a pretty obvious and elementary error of selection bias. Thousands of people die every day and millions of people were getting vaccinated. That some of them would die just like any other time is the default assumption.

If you can show me some research that indicates a higher odds ratio for death in the days and weeks after vaccination that would be interesting evidence. If you think a collection of anecdotes from an anti-vaxxer website is compelling then…wow.


This is false. Where did you get this idea from, specifically?


Okay so you ARE alleging a conspiracy. Can you describe it to me? Who is sweeping it under the rug, specifically? How are they doing it?


Who would ever think a vaccine was 100% effective? That was literally never claimed. Straw man.

Hey @tugofpeace, there are a number of pretty simple questions I’ve asked here. If your opinions are as well grounded as you claim they should be easy to answer.

Of course the reason I asked them is I’m confident you can’t answer them because you’re bullshitting. Or, if you do answer them you’ll end up looking crazy or dumb.