Biden moves to mandate vaccines for large part of workforce

[ch33zw1z]

You are completely wrong about Democrats.

I agree with you. Trump was in charge for damn near all of the process. I got the vaccine as soon as it was available because science the FDA weren't fucking around.

 

[Zorba]

I agree with you. Trump was in charge for damn near all of the process. I got the vaccine as soon as it was available because science the FDA weren't fucking around.

Yup. My mom and in-laws all got the shot while Trump was still president. There is no evidence the roles would be reversed if Trump had won.

 

[snoopy7548]

Yes he is doing that, he is imposing requirements on them. Making everyone to anti-vaxers get tested weekly is extreme burden on everyone no one.

Fixed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Politics aside, if you’re vaccinated and he’s not who’s the one that’s going to die during an outbreak?

Minor children under 6 don’t have an option to be vaccinated and older minors need parental approval. What are they, free kills?

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 375 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 7, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,439 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths

Over 650,000 dead in US so far from the virus.

You have been Inculcated to be proud of being a scientific illiterate, stuffed full instead of imbecilic political opinions. Are you a Christian fatalists who believes the end times are near. A moment of self reflection should tell you why. You have a death wish, one which you fancy entitles you to kill others. I’m kind of insane myself. Able to get the vaccine and haven’t, it’t my right lock you up in isolation.

 

[HomerJS]

Fox News outright lying about Biden's mandate. They claim you shouldn't have to choose between getting vaccinated or losing your job. They intentionally left out...

Employees who don't get vaccinated must submit to weekly testing.

Again, Fox just lying to further mislead their lemmings.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Minor children under 6 don’t have an option to be vaccinated and older minors need parental approval. What are they, free kills?

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 375 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 7, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,439 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths

Over 650,000 dead in US so far from the virus.

You have been Inculcated to be proud of being a scientific illiterate, stuffed full instead of imbecilic political opinions. Are you a Christian fatalists who believes the end times are near. A moment of self reflection should tell you why. You have a death wish, one which you fancy entitles you to kill others. I’m kind of insane myself. Able to get the vaccine and haven’t, it’t my right lock you up in isolation.

Didn't the FDA review of the VAERS death reports also say they only conclusively found something like 3 of those ~7,500 deaths were causes by the vaccine?

 

[Brainonska511]

Republicans have turned into Frank Grimes - they don't need anything safety related because reasons

 

[pcgeek11]

Have you been drinking? I was chatting with our head of HR the other day. We are still in a bind as far as hiring employees, so the worry is that we'd lose people as some of our workers would refuse the test and would be forced to quit. Ideally if that was the situation everywhere that would eliminate that, but these are private companies, not yet requiring employees to be vaccinated in this state (MN).

Good of the whole over 1.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have thought all along that we needed a federal mandate to combat the pandemic. Think of all the lives that could have been saved.

If you are old enough and do not have a medical condition that would prohibit getting a vaccination you should be required to get one.

Holy fuck! I totally wouldn't have guessed you would say something like this.
I mostly agree but I am more of a carrot & stick approach. Make things uncomfortable to those who choose to remain unvaccinated. The carrot has done all it can, time for the stick.
Now here is the duty we need you to do. Say that around your unvaccinated tea party/MAGA/Republican friends. Even the unaffliated or Democrats.
Country needs Conservative Guys like you to speak out frequently about vaccination.
No more of this Childish “I have my rights”...
Yes you do. As a country to remain competitive we need to vaccinated everyone who is eligible. We may need to do it multiple times over the years. Do it to be a Patriot.

 

[pcgeek11]

Holy fuck! I totally wouldn't have guessed you would say something like this.
I mostly agree but I am more of a carrot & stick approach. Make things uncomfortable to those who choose to remain unvaccinated. The carrot has done all it can, time for the stick.
Now here is the duty we need you to do. Say that around your unvaccinated tea party/MAGA/Republican friends. Even the unaffliated or Democrats.
Country needs Conservative Guys like you to speak out frequently about vaccination.
No more of this Childish “I have my rights”...
Yes you do. As a country to remain competitive we need to vaccinated everyone who is eligible. We may need to do it multiple times over the years. Do it to be a Patriot.

That has been my sentiment since they started with the vaccine. My wife and i got ours as soon as they were available. I encourage everyone I discuss this with to get theirs ASAP.

I will also get a booster shot when they are offered. Granted I know there "can" be side effects as there are with Any medication or vaccine. On the grand scale these are minimal and well worth the risks.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That has been my sentiment since the started with the vaccine. My wife and i got ours as soon as they were available. I encourage everyone I discuss this with to get theirs ASAP.

I will also get a booster shot when they are offered. Granted I know there "can" be side effect as there are with Any medication or vaccine. On the grand scale these are minimal and well worth the risks.

Same here a day of discomfort or even feeling tired & sick for a day is unquestionably worth it for my fellow Americans.

 

[Moonbeam]

Didn't the FDA review of the VAERS death reports also say they only conclusively found something like 3 of those ~7,500 deaths were causes by the vaccine?

Might be. I think of people getting 350,000,000 doses there were 7500 people who died, none of which had been determined to be vaccine related. That implies that of the tiny fraction that died after taking the vaccine an unknown but likely also tiny fraction might have been vaccine related.

The point is that any who place stock in the notion they are safer not taking the vaccine as opposed to the risk of catching and actually dying from COVID-19 itself are dangerously delusional.

Granting such people the right to demand a completely unhinged notion of personal freedom would be like acceding to the demands of a whiny five year old demanding your car keys so he can drive to the park.

 

[paperfist]

Minor children under 6 don’t have an option to be vaccinated and older minors need parental approval. What are they, free kills?

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 375 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 7, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,439 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths

Over 650,000 dead in US so far from the virus.

You have been Inculcated to be proud of being a scientific illiterate, stuffed full instead of imbecilic political opinions. Are you a Christian fatalists who believes the end times are near. A moment of self reflection should tell you why. You have a death wish, one which you fancy entitles you to kill others. I’m kind of insane myself. Able to get the vaccine and haven’t, it’t my right lock you up in isolation.

So you're so concerned about saving humanity at the start of your post, but by the end that humanity went out the window in the form of name calling...

The beginning of your post shows how politics have created the biggest issue with this virus when you state this: "FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."

"Over 650,000 dead in US so far from the virus."

And yet the US governments has held China to zero accountability.

 

[fskimospy]

So you're so concerned about saving humanity at the start of your post, but by the end that humanity went out the window in the form of name calling...

The beginning of your post shows how politics have created the biggest issue with this virus when you state this: "FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."

"Over 650,000 dead in US so far from the virus."

And yet the US governments has held China to zero accountability.

What do you expect the US government to do exactly?

 

[Fenixgoon]

What do you expect the US government to do exactly?

make china pay for the vaccines! /s

 

[ch33zw1z]

make china pay for the vaccines! /s

Lol, republicans demanding reparations?

I mean, China sucks, but good luck with that.

 

[Jhhnn]

So you're so concerned about saving humanity at the start of your post, but by the end that humanity went out the window in the form of name calling...

The beginning of your post shows how politics have created the biggest issue with this virus when you state this: "FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."

"Over 650,000 dead in US so far from the virus."

And yet the US governments has held China to zero accountability.

And just what should they be held accountable for, exactly? The whole notion that it escaped from a lab is far fetched conspiracy theory. But it serves a particular political agenda, making it easy to establish belief among the gullible. Shee-it, Sherlock. They still believe in conspiracy theories from 20 years ago.

 

[tugofpeace]

Holy fuck! I totally wouldn't have guessed you would say something like this.
I mostly agree but I am more of a carrot & stick approach. Make things uncomfortable to those who choose to remain unvaccinated. The carrot has done all it can, time for the stick.
Now here is the duty we need you to do. Say that around your unvaccinated tea party/MAGA/Republican friends. Even the unaffliated or Democrats.
Country needs Conservative Guys like you to speak out frequently about vaccination.
No more of this Childish “I have my rights”...
Yes you do. As a country to remain competitive we need to vaccinated everyone who is eligible. We may need to do it multiple times over the years. Do it to be a Patriot.

So many things wrong with this post.

First off, this is a violation of the Nuremburg code.

"1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity."

Second, the vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission. This is verified by the CDC themselves. Since it doesn't prevent transmission, why should the unvaccinated get vaccinated?

Third, the entire COVID death count has been fabricated. Here is a Harvard MD in Illinois telling you how the death count is tallied:

This video is further supported by the following article, in case you claim that the counting method was only used in Illinois:

Santa Clara County revises total COVID deaths by over 20% - San José Spotlight

Santa Clara County’s COVID-19 death toll dropped by 22% this month. That’s not a mistake—last Friday, county health officials announced a narrower criteria for deaths attributable to COVID-19, which excluded about 500 fatalities previously attributed to the disease. A similar change took place...

sanjosespotlight.com

Fourth, isn't it amazing how the flu was eradicated last year? Democrats claim it was because of masks and social distancing, but if that's true, why did masks and social distancing not eradicate COVID?

Finally, isn't it great how illegal immigrants don't' need to get vaccinated? Almost as if they are immune from infection or transmission of the virus?

That's what I have to start with, looking forward to see your response.

 

[alien42]

So many things wrong with this post.

First off, this is a violation of the Nuremburg code.

"1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity."

Second, the vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission. This is verified by the CDC themselves. Since it doesn't prevent transmission, why should the unvaccinated get vaccinated?

Third, the entire COVID death count has been fabricated. Here is a Harvard MD in Illinois telling you how the death count is tallied:

This video is further supported by the following article, in case you claim that the counting method was only used in Illinois:

Santa Clara County revises total COVID deaths by over 20% - San José Spotlight

Santa Clara County’s COVID-19 death toll dropped by 22% this month. That’s not a mistake—last Friday, county health officials announced a narrower criteria for deaths attributable to COVID-19, which excluded about 500 fatalities previously attributed to the disease. A similar change took place...

sanjosespotlight.com

Fourth, isn't it amazing how the flu was eradicated last year? Democrats claim it was because of masks and social distancing, but if that's true, why did masks and social distancing not eradicate COVID?

Finally, isn't it great how illegal immigrants don't' need to get vaccinated? Almost as if they are immune from infection or transmission of the virus?

That's what I have to start with, looking forward to see your response.

There is so much ignorance and stupidity in this post I'll let someone else waste their time responding point by point.

 

[tugofpeace]

There is so much ignorance and stupidity in this post I'll let someone else waste their time responding point by point.

Exactly the type of response I would expect from someone who has nothing valid to contribute. Yes, sit this one out and let someone intelligent respond for you. lmao

 

[alien42]

Exactly the type of response I would expect from someone who has nothing valid to contribute. Yes, sit this one out and let someone intelligent respond for you. lmao

lol, you're clearly not ready for actual intellect. And you are absolutely a waste of time.

 

[tugofpeace]

lol, you're clearly not ready for actual intellect. And you are absolutely a waste of time.

I provided a thought out response full of valid points, and the first thing you do is insult me. And you're calling out my intelligence? This is exactly what's wrong with this country.

You argue like my little sister, to be quite frank.

My education is at the PHD level in electrical engineering, by the way. LMAO at talking to me about intellect.

Keep hiding behind your theoretical "intellectual superiority". Anybody who's passed grade school has heard that deflection plenty of times.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So many things wrong with this post.

First off, this is a violation of the Nuremburg code.

"1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity."

Second, the vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission. This is verified by the CDC themselves. Since it doesn't prevent transmission, why should the unvaccinated get vaccinated?

Third, the entire COVID death count has been fabricated. Here is a Harvard MD in Illinois telling you how the death count is tallied:

This video is further supported by the following article, in case you claim that the counting method was only used in Illinois:

Santa Clara County revises total COVID deaths by over 20% - San José Spotlight

Santa Clara County’s COVID-19 death toll dropped by 22% this month. That’s not a mistake—last Friday, county health officials announced a narrower criteria for deaths attributable to COVID-19, which excluded about 500 fatalities previously attributed to the disease. A similar change took place...

sanjosespotlight.com

Fourth, isn't it amazing how the flu was eradicated last year? Democrats claim it was because of masks and social distancing, but if that's true, why did masks and social distancing not eradicate COVID?

Finally, isn't it great how illegal immigrants don't' need to get vaccinated? Almost as if they are immune from infection or transmission of the virus?

That's what I have to start with, looking forward to see your response.

oh god another new-ish anti vax account.
Fuck, mods just ban these nonsense spouting accounts

 

[tugofpeace]

oh god another new-ish anti vax account.
Fuck, mods just ban these nonsense spouting accounts

I have been a member here since before the pandemic. Fabulous response, ban those who have a differing opinion than yours! Cancel them! It hurts when people think differently!

The first sign of low intelligence in a person is someone who gets upset when their beliefs are challenged. A person who seeks the truth takes the information received and calmly dissects it for deficiencies and if they're wrong, are happy to have been proven wrong because they learned something. That is my position. What is yours?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have been a member here since before the pandemic. Fabulous response, ban those who have a differing opinion than yours! Cancel them! It hurts when people think differently!

The first sign of low intelligence in a person is someone who gets upset when their beliefs are challenged. A person who seeks the truth takes the information received and calmly dissects it for deficiencies and if they're wrong, are happy to have been proven wrong because they learned something. That is my position. What is yours?

Your opinion is not equal when you are dangerously wrong. People following your stance will die or cause someone to die or both.
F-off