Biden hits the nail on the head!!No mincing words---

[Moonbeam]

Pardon me, but can you point out where authoritarian violence and victim revenge mentality reside in the Democratic Party? I know it's deeply entrenched in Republican strongholds, but am not aware of it being endemic to that party's main opposition.

First off, you used the word endemic, not me. Secondly, your post strikes me as being resistant and challenging to what I presented in my opinion which suggests to me there may be an unwillingness to see that is concealed in your question. I can't show you anything if you are unwilling to see it at an unconscious level. We can only see what we already believe, not the other way round as much as we dream. Thirdly, some insights are only possible when there is a groundwork of past perceptions only upon which a new perception can arise:

The first of these is that humanity is asleep living in a dream, the one I mentioned above, the world we see is the one we believe is there and what we believe we believe because of conditioning. The realization that the left is potentially as authoritarian as the right rests on the understanding of man as a programmed machine, that it obeys the laws of programming, that we are just machines unless we have discovered our true nature, that is to say, died to all those dreams, or sacred cows out thousand tons of cabbage, as I like to call them.

In short sleeping humanity is trapped to a Karmic wheel, it obeys the laws that govern us in our sleep. One of these is that we create what we fear. That means that it is the fear on the right of the left that the left is programmed to destroy the sacred cows of the right will create a moral imperative that the ends justify the means, that one has a sacred duty to ones sacred cows to defend, let's just say God for now, against the atheist left. Thus any wrong can be justified because you are defending God.

So what happens on the left, there arises the fear of the Spanish Inquisition, along with the justification to bring down the clergy, to destroy the threat they pose by any means.

What this tells us is quite simple. If the right engages in authoritarian rule, the left will respond in kind. We create what we fear. Fear is the root of authoritarianism and fear creates fear. Whatever you fear you wind up becoming because the roots are already planted deep within. The right will not see their willingness to do evil to the other because they have labeled the other as the evil, and the left will not see they are just the same as what they also fear and hate.

Once you realize this truth will be realized regardless of intention, you will know the left and the right have the same authoritarian potential. and if one is present the other is too or is on its way. You can easily verify what I say is the truth if you will simply look at yourself and see that everything you hold sacred is a pile of bull shit. There is no such thing as good or evil. There is only heaven and it is all around you or if you prefer, within.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The "soul" of the nation was at stake when Republicans voted in a president that was to take the Democrats' slaves away. But this is just melodrama today.

 

[hal2kilo]

I like Joe well enough, but he blew his chance in 2016 by not running.

I get why not, but some doors stay shut when closed.

Instead we were left with Hillary, and thus Trump, and now the party is ready to move on to a new generation.

Only way I see him winning is if the rest of the candidates blow it, everyone gets cold feet and picks for a safe bet.

Totally agree. Sorry his son was dying, but we were left with Hillary thanks to DNC inertia (no conspiracy)..

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The "soul" of the nation was at stake when North voted in a president that was to take the South's slaves away. But this is just melodrama today.

FTFY. Quit being so antagonistic, this is why people don't like you.

 

[Jhhnn]

The "soul" of the nation was at stake when Republicans voted in a president that was to take the Democrats' slaves away. But this is just melodrama today.

Which has nothing to do with the alignment of political parties today. Weak trolling attempt is weak.

 

[Jhhnn]

FTFY. Quit being so antagonistic, this is why people don't like you.

He lives to troll.

 

[Moonbeam]

Totally agree. Sorry his son was dying, but we were left with Hillary thanks to DNC inertia (no conspiracy)..

The problem with the DNC in my opinion is that they lost faith, perhaps realistically, but I think not, in unions and the working may and decided collectively that the party needed the support of businesses and the donations of the rich to win elections. I think they lose because the whole purpose of the left is to prevent the accumulation of wealth by the abuse of power rather than the expression of competence. It is the job of the left to keep the bottom from falling out of capitalism via regulation and wealth redistribution. They handed to whole government to the 1% and working class people said fuck you in return. What a surprise, right? And careful telling them because their favorite retort to everything is that 'you are stupid'. Stupid, meet stupid. Vote for me because I'm not that stupid Trump. No, you're not Trump, you're the one who put a knife in my back.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Of course it is true this time around, just like it was the last 20 elections. It is so amusing to me to watch the same tropes thrown out there by politicians\media talking heads and the people will gulp it up every time. They wouldn't do it if it didn't work.

That's what you say -- but your the one who stated this is said every election....links please??
Remember the words Biden used.....not some convoluted set of words a candidate would use to say they are the person who needs to be lected because it is of great importance to our country....

You are probably right...burt I have never heard those words used.....

 

[hal2kilo]

The problem with the DNC in my opinion is that they lost faith, perhaps realistically, but I think not, in unions and the working may and decided collectively that the party needed the support of businesses and the donations of the rich to win elections. I think they lose because the whole purpose of the left is to prevent the accumulation of wealth by the abuse of power rather than the expression of competence. It is the job of the left to keep the bottom from falling out of capitalism via regulation and wealth redistribution. They handed to whole government to the 1% and working class people said fuck you in return. What a surprise, right? And careful telling them because their favorite retort to everything is that 'you are stupid'. Stupid, meet stupid. Vote for me because I'm not that stupid Trump. No, you're not Trump, you're the one who put a knife in my back.

No doubt the Dems lost their way with the Clinton's DLC emphasis on cozying up to Wall Street and forgetting about the core of the modern Democratic party, the New Deal and all that it entails.

 

[Vic]

Gamer gate is over that way.

Democrats have no independent thought and must always lie, which is why Underoos posts nothing but youtube videos of fake news.

Clowns like him and Slow remind me of this co-worker I friended on FB (before I quit FB). Turns out she was a fundie who liked to post about how the evil gayfascists were trying to shove their 'sinful' way of life down our throats, which is why she wanted to outlaw homosexuality and to force every American to convert to Christianity or be forcibly deported.

This is just typical of how un-self aware these crazies are.

 

[piasabird]

Just go out your door and fire your shotgun in the air. Remember that stupid remark? Sounds like a mentally unstable crazy person.

 

[hal2kilo]

Just go out your door and fire your shotgun in the air. Remember that stupid remark? Sounds like a mentally unstable crazy person.

Yea, Trump's never said anything that stupid. /s

 

[Victorian Gray]

Its the left censoring every platform online, burning books now. The new original sin is now racism, and justifies their lack of restraint. They are even the creationists now because their ideology of equality denies the reality of evolution which doesn't produce equality anywhere in the world. The complete denial of human nature requires a fundamentalist belief in a creationist god.

and so of course they must endlessly lie.
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The cult of the left now produces booklets of language policing
https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/common-language

We've already seen free speech die in other western countries, notably Canada

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121217647813779458

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/03/28/whatcott-discrimination-pay-morgane-oger-transgender/

Eventually the movement will recognize all your hard work and you will get the bestest silver shirt of them all.

 

[Jhhnn]

The problem with the DNC in my opinion is that they lost faith, perhaps realistically, but I think not, in unions and the working may and decided collectively that the party needed the support of businesses and the donations of the rich to win elections. I think they lose because the whole purpose of the left is to prevent the accumulation of wealth by the abuse of power rather than the expression of competence. It is the job of the left to keep the bottom from falling out of capitalism via regulation and wealth redistribution. They handed to whole government to the 1% and working class people said fuck you in return. What a surprise, right? And careful telling them because their favorite retort to everything is that 'you are stupid'. Stupid, meet stupid. Vote for me because I'm not that stupid Trump. No, you're not Trump, you're the one who put a knife in my back.

Funny what people believe & who they blame, other than themselves. Remember how the Teamsters endorsed Reagan, twice, and how he broke the balls off the Labor movement? Remember how they swept Gingrich into power in 1994? How the GOP crushed the Dems in the wake of 9/11? How they forgot who crashed the economy in 2008 when 2010 came around? How so many people have fallen for the Libertopian bullshit of rugged individualism & blah, blah, blah?

Yeh, in that context it makes perfectly good sense to blame the Dems rather than their own foolish pride & greediness.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Who would you consider not to be a shit candidate and why?

Honestly, I have no idea at this point. The whole establishment needs to be rebuilt IMO. Lifers need ousted, corporate agendas need outlawed. Campaign funding needs reworked. Even if there is one sane good intentioned person among them, they will be drowned out by everything else. The fake bi-partisanship mentality that people have taken will be the death of this country. The politicians exploit this every chance they get and feed the hate. I know it's a pipe dream to think we would have the perfect candidate, but we don't need a perfect candidate. We need someone that isn't extreme on either end and promotes solidarity, and the masses need to realize that they are not going to win every item, and be fine with that. Nobody should be 100% dem or republican just 'because'. Trumps version of solidarity worked for him, but it's based on fear and hatred. He's used to being loud and offensive to get his way - which mostly worked simply because he is rich.

As wrong as the GOP is in backing Trump, the biggest issue right now is the division of the country. You can't just look at each issue individually and have an opinion on it without a knee jerk over-reaction and be labled across the board. Look at the reactions in this very thread. I've never said a good thing about Trump ever, yet I say one thing that is slightly not 100% vitriol about him and I'm labled a -------------------------------> and actually have to defend what I said due to peoples biased conclusions. That's just wrong and very very narrow minded and also shows that the left is no better than the right in their perception of issues. Both sides are so devout in their hatred of the other and "i have to be right" mentality they fail to see that this country needs compromise. With all the diversity in cultures, experience, and beliefs there are very few items that you are going to get everyone to agree on. Instead, as someone mentioned somewhere, they try to villainize anyone who doesn't see it their way.

And this is why we are where we are, given the lowest of the lows to choose from. No one selfless would willingly become a politician today. Social media being what it is good for bad would drive anyone in the public eye insane. No, what we get are those with corporate ties, and agendas and whoever can get the biggest amount of cash to back them. We have nobody to blame but ourselves though.

 

[fskimospy]

Obama tried very hard to be exactly that sort of President. Republicans had zero interest. On the literal night of his inauguration the senior republican leadership consciously decided to oppose him on everything.

What are the Democrats supposed to do when the other side is very up front about the fact that they have no interest in compromise?

 

[Moonbeam]

Obama tried very hard to be exactly that sort of President. Republicans had zero interest. On the literal night of his inauguration the senior republican leadership consciously decided to oppose him on everything.

What are the Democrats supposed to do when the other side is very up front about the fact that they have no interest in compromise?

Go to war and destroy them mercilessly and without compromise. Is compassion, reason, fair play, the willingness to try to see the point of view of others superior to pure tribal loyalty or not. If it is then crush them until they demonstrate they want to change. They will destroy you and themselves if you don’t. And you might knock off the assault weapons for liberal states in the mean time. Everyone should be able to defend themselves against utter madness.

 

[Moonbeam]

Funny what people believe & who they blame, other than themselves. Remember how the Teamsters endorsed Reagan, twice, and how he broke the balls off the Labor movement? Remember how they swept Gingrich into power in 1994? How the GOP crushed the Dems in the wake of 9/11? How they forgot who crashed the economy in 2008 when 2010 came around? How so many people have fallen for the Libertopian bullshit of rugged individualism & blah, blah, blah?

Yeh, in that context it makes perfectly good sense to blame the Dems rather than their own foolish pride & greediness.

One group of Dems did both things to each other. They did it in their sleep. Sleep may be at cause but you can’t blame people for what they do in their sleep.

 

[Muse]

First off, you used the word endemic, not me. Secondly, your post strikes me as being resistant and challenging to what I presented in my opinion which suggests to me there may be an unwillingness to see that is concealed in your question. I can't show you anything if you are unwilling to see it at an unconscious level. We can only see what we already believe, not the other way round as much as we dream. Thirdly, some insights are only possible when there is a groundwork of past perceptions only upon which a new perception can arise:

The first of these is that humanity is asleep living in a dream, the one I mentioned above, the world we see is the one we believe is there and what we believe we believe because of conditioning. The realization that the left is potentially as authoritarian as the right rests on the understanding of man as a programmed machine, that it obeys the laws of programming, that we are just machines unless we have discovered our true nature, that is to say, died to all those dreams, or sacred cows out thousand tons of cabbage, as I like to call them.

In short sleeping humanity is trapped to a Karmic wheel, it obeys the laws that govern us in our sleep. One of these is that we create what we fear. That means that it is the fear on the right of the left that the left is programmed to destroy the sacred cows of the right will create a moral imperative that the ends justify the means, that one has a sacred duty to ones sacred cows to defend, let's just say God for now, against the atheist left. Thus any wrong can be justified because you are defending God.

So what happens on the left, there arises the fear of the Spanish Inquisition, along with the justification to bring down the clergy, to destroy the threat they pose by any means.

What this tells us is quite simple. If the right engages in authoritarian rule, the left will respond in kind. We create what we fear. Fear is the root of authoritarianism and fear creates fear. Whatever you fear you wind up becoming because the roots are already planted deep within. The right will not see their willingness to do evil to the other because they have labeled the other as the evil, and the left will not see they are just the same as what they also fear and hate.

Once you realize this truth will be realized regardless of intention, you will know the left and the right have the same authoritarian potential. and if one is present the other is too or is on its way. You can easily verify what I say is the truth if you will simply look at yourself and see that everything you hold sacred is a pile of bull shit. There is no such thing as good or evil. There is only heaven and it is all around you or if you prefer, within.

It is certainly overly simplistic of you to regard the two major parties as on the other side of a semi-transparent mirror, IOW, basically reflections of one another and essentially without significant differentiation. There are reasons 90% of blacks vote Democratic, reasons minorities tend to vote Democratic, reasons white evangelicals vote overwhelmingly Republican. Reasons the better educated, the urban, females lean significantly toward the Democratic Party. Reasons older white males tend to vote Republican. You have a great predilection to develop complex theories that are rooted in your precious contemplations. It's what makes you you here, but you do yourself and others here a disservice when you conclude that people other than yourself do not share what you regard as your deep insights and that they and their contributions are therefore virtually worthless. You should have greater respect, yes, and greater humility. You're not the only person capable of deep insights.

 

[Moonbeam]

Muse: It is certainly overly simplistic of you to regard the two major parties as on the other side of a semi-transparent mirror, IOW, basically reflections of one another and essentially without significant differentiation. There are reasons 90% of blacks vote Democratic, reasons minorities tend to vote Democratic, reasons white evangelicals vote overwhelmingly Republican. Reasons the better educated, the urban, females lean significantly toward the Democratic Party. Reasons older white males tend to vote Republican.

M: When I said, "From my perspective everything establishment in the Democratic party needs to die. We have to go straight to class warfare. Democratic smarts needs to be applied to how to take Democracy back without authoritarian violence and victim revenge mentality. It is the system that needs to be change, not revenge that needs to be handed out.", I was expressing an opinion that implied there is an authoritarian reflexive response among liberals to right wing authoritarianism that I see as dangerous and identical if opposite to it and a fundamentally better way to react, what I would refer to as real or properly progress , one that integrates the opposites that divide and define the left and the right one that comes from understandings that flow from a higher state of conscious awareness.

You responded to that as follows:

"Pardon me, but can you point out where authoritarian violence and victim revenge mentality reside in the Democratic Party? I know it's deeply entrenched in Republican strongholds, but am not aware of it being endemic to that party's main opposition."

I didn't answer your question directly because I didn't want to make you a list: Instead I said:

"First off, you used the word endemic, not me."

You did not respond to that. I also said:

"Secondly, your post strikes me as being resistant and challenging to what I presented in my opinion which suggests to me there may be an unwillingness to see what is concealed in your question. I can't show you anything if you are unwilling to see it at an unconscious level. We can only see what we already believe, not the other way round as much as we dream. Thirdly, some insights are only possible when there is a groundwork of past perceptions only upon which a new perception can arise:"

Here I described why, in part, I didn't want to list. I wanted to say why, if you don't agree, a list won't necessarily help you see. I meant this as a generality not particularly just applicable to you. It went like so:

"The first of these is that humanity is asleep living in a dream, the one I mentioned above, the world we see is the one we believe is there and what we believe we believe because of conditioning. The realization that the left is potentially as authoritarian as the right rests on the understanding of man as a programmed machine, that it obeys the laws of programming, that we are just machines unless we have discovered our true nature, that is to say, died to all those dreams, or sacred cows out thousand tons of cabbage, as I like to call them."

Notice that I said potentially as authoritarian. That does not mean there is at the present time an equivalency. I am well aware of the differences between conservative and liberal thinking and fully believe that modern Trump Republicans are off the rails and profoundly authoritarian. I said also:

"In short sleeping humanity is trapped to a Karmic wheel, it obeys the laws that govern us in our sleep. One of these is that we create what we fear. That means that it is the fear on the right of the left that the left is programmed to destroy the sacred cows of the right will create a moral imperative that the ends justify the means, that one has a sacred duty to ones sacred cows to defend, let's just say God for now, against the atheist left. Thus any wrong can be justified because you are defending God.

So what happens on the left, there arises the fear of the Spanish Inquisition, along with the justification to bring down the clergy, to destroy the threat they pose by any means.

What this tells us is quite simple. If the right engages in authoritarian rule, the left will respond in kind. We create what we fear. Fear is the root of authoritarianism and fear creates fear. Whatever you fear you wind up becoming because the roots are already planted deep within. The right will not see their willingness to do evil to the other because they have labeled the other as the evil, and the left will not see they are just the same as what they also fear and hate.

Once you realize this truth will be realized regardless of intention, you will know the left and the right have the same authoritarian potential. and if one is present the other is too or is on its way. You can easily verify what I say is the truth if you will simply look at yourself and see that everything you hold sacred is a pile of bull shit. There is no such thing as good or evil. There is only heaven and it is all around you or if you prefer, within."

Notice that I said that both sides have the same authoritarian potential. You seem to me to be saying that because both sides are not at present fully equally effective in imposing authoritarianism of the country at the moment doesn't mean they can't become so or that the left can't outstrip them. That is my point. I am not accepting that I am practicing the both sides bullshit. I am saying that both sides is inevitable owing to mechanical laws that are inviolate when people are unaware of their inner conditioning.

Muse: You have a great predilection to develop complex theories that are rooted in your precious contemplations. It's what makes you you here, but you do yourself and others here a disservice when you conclude that people other than yourself do not share what you regard as your deep insights and that they and their contributions are therefore virtually worthless. You should have greater respect, yes, and greater humility.
You're not the only person capable of deep insights.

The insights I offered, why do you call them deep. They are obvious to me. Why would I bother to express them if I thought you couldn't get them? I am interested in truth, not in competition. And all that I understand about anybody is it is real is because I saw those truths within myself. I know what made me blind and what I had to pay to see the little I can see.

 

[dawheat]

Ah the false sense of you have any clue how I vote.

Forgive me for wishing our choices of shit and shittier weren't better.

I don't care how you vote. It's that you try to portray it as a rational decision like the lesser of two evils when the scale is fundamentally different. In reality it's closer to saying some people don't want yesterday's leftovers so instead will eat sludge from a landfill.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I don't care how you vote. It's that you try to portray it as a rational decision like the lesser of two evils when the scale is fundamentally different. In reality it's closer to saying some people don't want yesterday's leftovers so instead will eat sludge from a landfill.

You mean like you trying to portray the 'anyone but' strategy as anything but lazy? Just because there's someone who you deem 'not as bad' doesn't mean anyone has to be happy about that choice. There were plenty of people who voted for Trump simply because they didn't want Hillary for various reasons. She was the evil they knew, she was a woman, etc. Those people may be swayed to vote the other way this time, but it's going to take a phenom to sway enough of the people still supporting Trump because the other options aren't much better.

This is one of those times where a 3rd party/independent out of left field with some actual ideas would be welcome.

DEMAND BETTER.

 

[1prophet]

Biden isn't running to beat Trump, he was asked to run in case Trump loses, the thought of an anti business real progressive winning scares Wall Street and corporate America, he and the establishment Democrats were bought and paid off long ago that is why we ended up with someone like Trump today, because the Democrats were the only counter balance to the Republicans until they became republican-lite like the Clintons,

just step away from your Trump Derangement Syndrome and you will realize the republicans are winning because democrats abandoned the working middle class for virtue signaling, politically correct, social justice warrior, the rich supposedly liberal, just like the silicon valley types that look down at the "deplorables"that used to be the backbone of the democrat party, as no more than useful idiots to buy their products and services while exploiting people in Asia to produce them.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/26/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-attack-joe-biden-corporate-ties.html
Wall Street critics and 2020 Democrats Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders take aim at Joe Biden’s corporate ties

https://www.leftvoice.org/joe-biden-wall-streets-best-hope-for-2020

Joe Biden: Wall Street’s Best Hope for 2020

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/biden-takes-wall-street-from-bloomberg


With Bloomberg Out, Wall Street Desperately Turns to Biden

https://www.thedailybeast.com/middl...ts-wall-street-oligarch-blackrocks-larry-fink

SAY NO, JOE
‘Middle Class Joe’ Biden Courts Wall Street Oligarch, BlackRock’s Larry Fink
The ex-veep says he’s the working man’s friend. How does that square with currying favor with financial world titan Larry Fink?

 

[Muse]

Muse: It is certainly overly simplistic of you to regard the two major parties as on the other side of a semi-transparent mirror, IOW, basically reflections of one another and essentially without significant differentiation.

Well, I don't. I supplied that metaphor because I thought it described your view! I thought my post made that abundantly clear to put it mildly.

You speak of the power of a person's beliefs to shape and limit their ability to have a true understanding of reality. Speaking for myself, I don't have beliefs. I don't indulge in a belief system, either externally or internally developed. You can challenge that, I'm unafraid of that. I'm not afraid of suffering the loss of sacred cows because I don't have any. There are ideas I enjoy thinking about, or rather with. I think of what Henry Miller said about his youth. He said he crouched in the crevices between great ideas. I think that describes me! Great ideas swim in my head, they permeate MY subconscious and reveal themselves at the appropriate times. Just how that came about is just the story of my life. Beliefs? I don't encumber myself with them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well, I don't. I supplied that metaphor because I thought it described your view! I thought my post made that abundantly clear to put it mildly.

You speak of the power of a person's beliefs to shape and limit their ability to have a true understanding of reality. Speaking for myself, I don't have beliefs. I don't indulge in a belief system, either externally or internally developed. You can challenge that, I'm unafraid of that. I'm not afraid of suffering the loss of sacred cows because I don't have any. There are ideas I enjoy thinking about, or rather with. I think of what Henry Miller said about his youth. He said he crouched in the crevices between great ideas. I think that describes me! Great ideas swim in my head, they permeate MY subconscious and reveal themselves at the appropriate times. Just how that came about is just the story of my life. Beliefs? I don't encumber myself with them.

Since you quoted my whole post and then began this one with 'Well I don"t" can you identify exactly what you refer to in it that you don't so I know what you don't 'whatever it is'. Also can you tell me what you said that you call a metaphor? So again I can be clear .............

As for the rest of your post, what can I say...... It sounds like a belief to me. All the stuff about belief that I told you including about the inevitible authoritarian left are things that I see in me. I am full of beliefs and beliefs I have no idea I believe. In this way perhaps what I am telling you isn't belief, but things I know because I have become aware of the fact that I really act on beliefs that I have uncovered I believe and know or presume there are more I don't see. If I have any skill at all it is some small resignation and acceptance that I am the thing that I hate including my contempt for the right. Hatred is authoritarian. I am the authoritarian left. It lives within me. It is that belief also, that creates the authoritarian right that is also within me. Tigers above and tigers below and then a strawberry that tasted so good. The conflict of duality resolves at it's collapse. There is only perfection and a glimpse of that fact changes everything.