Biden hints at Obama executive order (concerning guns)

[DCal430]

This battle won't be fought now. One more appointment to the SCOTUS and the gloves will come off.

Just need one of the wacko judges to be gone.

 

[TerryMathews]

LMFAO these right wing wackos have been claiming that Obama was going to repeal the second amendment since he was fist elected in 2008. Nothing but fear mongering.

Except now you've got Crazy Joe saying they're going to do it.

 

[DCal430]

Except now you've got Crazy Joe saying they're going to do it.

Please tell me were Biden said anything remotely like Obama was going to repeal the second amendment.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally Posted by Tom
I think we all know lots of crimes were commited with machine guns in the 20s and 30s.

then something happened and forever with 1 exception the use of machine guns in crimes was reduced.

Yea, you know what it was? They ended prohibition your retard. However, let it also be known that shotguns, and handguns/revolvers were the most commonly used firearms over the Tommy guns.

It's threads like this that make me associate blind fear-mongering and idiotic QQing with conservatism.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say, since the progressive anti-gun nut jobs are using fear to the extreme to try to ban guns. Fear of big magazines, fear of scary black military style "assault" weapons, fear of bayonet lugs, and barrel shrouds. Fear of everything gun related, except of course the actual problem, fear of mentally ill people getting guns.

You know, the problem with having your tongue up Obama's ass all the time is that it really restricts your view.

Is this you?

LOL!!! That's funny, and so true.

 

[Incorruptible]

Please tell me were Biden said anything remotely like Obama was going to repeal the second amendment.

He never said it BUT he does want to limit the magazine sizes and other idiotic restrictions. Many of them would prefer no guns at all but they know there is a lot of resistance, They will NOT repeal the 2nd Amendment but they will chip away at gun rights

 

[xj0hnx]

Typical cop out.

"oh they're technically not banned, tee hee, you just cant get one"

Spare me.

Pseudo ban = ban.

Yea, when it cost $200 just to apply to own a $20,000 machine gun, it's safe to say they are all but banned.

 

[sigurros81]

Yea, you know what it was? They ended prohibition your retard. However, let it also be known that shotguns, and handguns/revolvers were the most commonly used firearms over the Tommy guns.



That's a pretty stupid thing to say, since the progressive anti-gun nut jobs are using fear to the extreme to try to ban guns. Fear of big magazines, fear of scary black military style "assault" weapons, fear of bayonet lugs, and barrel shrouds. Fear of everything gun related, except of course the actual problem, fear of mentally ill people getting guns.



LOL!!! That's funny, and so true.

A liberal nutjob is just as idiotic as a conservative douchebag. Are you either one? You seem like a good example, singling out a single sentence I wrote without the context of the rest of my message.

 

[exdeath]

This battle won't be fought now. One more appointment to the SCOTUS and the gloves will come off.

You really don't understand what that outcome would bring do you?

Every gun, magazine, and box of ammo is COMPLETELY sold out across the nation. Does that not tell you where the American public's opinion lies? You think they people are buying them by the millions to change their mind and turn them in willingly for a $50 gift card later? They know they could be illegal some day, and by buying them still in the face of that threat in those numbers they have already committed to not obeying future legislation.

It scares the shit out of me honestly. I just want to keep making money and playing video games, I'd like to avoid a civil war thank you.

If nobody cares what this piece of shit president says, and people are buying up weapons knowing he will try go make them illegal, nobody is going to care what another lefty "wise latina" on the SCOTUS thinks either.

 

[Tom]

Yea, you know what it was? They ended prohibition your retard. However, let it also be known that shotguns, and handguns/revolvers were the most commonly used firearms over the Tommy guns.



That's a pretty stupid thing to say, since the progressive anti-gun nut jobs are using fear to the extreme to try to ban guns. Fear of big magazines, fear of scary black military style "assault" weapons, fear of bayonet lugs, and barrel shrouds. Fear of everything gun related, except of course the actual problem, fear of mentally ill people getting guns.



LOL!!! That's funny, and so true.

ending prohibition ended organized crime ?

 

[sigurros81]

You really don't understand what that outcome would bring do you?

Every gun, magazine, and box of ammo is COMPLETELY sold out across the nation. Does that not tell you where the American public's opinion lies? You think they people are buying them by the millions to change their mind and turn them in willingly for a $50 gift card later?

It scares the shit out of me honestly. I just want to keep making money and playing video games, I'd like to avoid a civil war thank you.

There won't be a civil war you silly goose , maybe at most some pissed off Timothy McVeigh type assholes.

Second, all I want to do is buy some ammo so I could hit the range this weekend and I can't. :-( Obama, weapon manufacturers' salesman of the year.

 

[exdeath]

There won't be a civil war you silly goose , maybe at most some pissed off Timothy McVeigh type assholes.

Second, all I want to do is buy some ammo so I could hit the range this weekend and I can't. :-( Obama, weapon manufacturers' salesman of the year.

Maybe not now, but in the context of "one more SCOTUS appointment and the gloves come off", 300 million guns aren't just going to turn themselves in.

People are buying everything right know openly defying even the slightest hint of the slightest ban knowing what they are buying now could be illegal soon. In other words they are ignoring the president.

What makes people think a possible future left leaning SCOTUS ruling against 2A is going to suddenly change their mind, especially if "the gloves come off" is suggesting an all out ban at that point? Oh this time the SCOTUS supports it too, guess I'll go turn them in for my $25 gift card. Not happening.

You guys just don't get it. The answer is no. Period. You can pretend to make it legal by corrupting the political system and allowing leftists from every third world country in the world to pour in and giving them voting rights and claiming majority rule and demographics shifts and showing that congress, president, and SCOTUS all three support it and justify it. The answer is still an absolute NO.

Shit isn't being back ordered by the millions right now just to say "oh crap nevermind" and willingly register or turn them over in a few years. In other words people buying all these assault rifles right now are knowingly stocking up and things that MIGHT be illegal soon, they are openly ignoring laws or orders that haven't even been made yet. It's only the first small sign of the magnitude of defiance that will be faced if/when that line is actually crossed.

 

[irishScott]

ending prohibition ended organized crime ?

No, but people stopped getting arrested and/or shot over alcohol purchases/transportation.

 

[fskimospy]

You know, the problem with having your tongue up Obama's ass all the time is that it really restricts your view.

Is this you?

I love how you're arguing for a living Constitution here. I'll remember this in the future.

 

[Incorruptible]

You really don't understand what that outcome would bring do you?

Every gun, magazine, and box of ammo is COMPLETELY sold out across the nation. Does that not tell you where the American public's opinion lies? You think they people are buying them by the millions to change their mind and turn them in willingly for a $50 gift card later? They know they could be illegal some day, and by buying them still in the face of that threat in those numbers they have already committed to not obeying future legislation.

It scares the shit out of me honestly. I just want to keep making money and playing video games, I'd like to avoid a civil war thank you.

If nobody cares what this piece of shit president says, and people are buying up weapons knowing he will try go make them illegal, nobody is going to care what another lefty "wise latina" on the SCOTUS thinks either.

That`s the important point, No one should care what he says. There are Americans who are going out and buying guns and ammo before that pos obama tries anything stupid and these are the smart ones.

 

[exdeath]

That`s the important point, No one should care what he says. There are Americans who are going out and buying guns and ammo before that pos obama tries anything stupid and these are the smart ones.

No. The smart ones are buying an extra cheap AK and AR and a couple excess mags that aren't worth anything to turn over when the confiscation starts, and spreading powder and spent cases and random piles of buried metal all over their multiple properties known and unknown to public records to make dog and metal detector/radar searches futile. :sneaky:

Live to fight another day. Comply, retreat, regroup, surprise, and whittle them down from out of nowhere.

The wackos are going to be the supermen trying to go solo against a tactical unit patrolling the neighborhood and hiding around their entry way while 1-2 harmless looking guys knock on your door. See how well they do with their tacticool $5000 tricked out ARs that don't have more than 100 rounds through the barrel...

Ok that was a little wacko... or is it? We really don't know yet do we?

Honestly I'm scared and hope it never comes down to that in my life time. I just want to continue about my life as if nothing happened/is happening and part of that is enjoying shooting without having to hide it and sneak around like a criminal.

But regardless, either way, the answer is still no.

Also as said before, if semi autos owners are going to be turned into felons for what they legally own now, there's nothing stopping them from saying fuck it and just violating the NFA too... you're already fucked either way, might as well go all the way. I guess we can built under ground shooting ranges, never know who will spot you and call the cops or if there's a drone flying over head watching you murder harmless paper targets in the middle of the desert.

Just keep in mind there are over 100 million of us... if you don't believe that just call any random gun store anywhere in the country and ask what they have in stock.

Of course we are making shit up now and can play this hypothetical game all day long after all, nobody has done anything yet :biggrin:

 

[xj0hnx]

A liberal nutjob is just as idiotic as a conservative douchebag. Are you either one? You seem like a good example, singling out a single sentence I wrote without the context of the rest of my message.

The rest of the dribble in your post didn't effect the statement I quoted.

ending prohibition ended organized crime ?

Prohibition was the reason for the violence, and quite literally the only reason that so many of the criminal gangs used machine guns in their wars.

I love how you're arguing for a living Constitution here. I'll remember this in the future.

He's not "arguing for" it, he is using the anti-gun nut jobs own argument against them.

 

[exdeath]

Prohibition was the reason for the violence, and quite literally the only reason that so many of the criminal gangs used machine guns in their wars.

Causing problems with failed policy and using those problems to justify more failed policy? That never happens.

 

[Bowfinger]

You really don't understand what that outcome would bring do you?

Every gun, magazine, and box of ammo is COMPLETELY sold out across the nation. Does that not tell you where the American public's opinion lies? You think they people are buying them by the millions to change their mind and turn them in willingly for a $50 gift card later? They know they could be illegal some day, and by buying them still in the face of that threat in those numbers they have already committed to not obeying future legislation.

It scares the shit out of me honestly. I just want to keep making money and playing video games, I'd like to avoid a civil war thank you.

If nobody cares what this piece of shit president says, and people are buying up weapons knowing he will try go make them illegal, nobody is going to care what another lefty "wise latina" on the SCOTUS thinks either.

I see this thread is still delivering the lunacy. Great rant -- ignorant, but full of paranoid outrage. Let me toss in an inconvenient fact, however. Firearm purchase background checks skyrocketed in December, rising an unprecedented 39% from November ... to 2.8 million. Yes, for all your huffing and puffing about "American public opinion" and civil wars and what "nobody" cares about, the fact is fewer than 1% of Americans even applied to purchase guns last month. If the same volume continues this month, and assuming every application comes from a unique individual, that means well under 2% of Americans are buying guns, and only a fraction of them are paranoid gun nuts like you. You are a very distinct minority. Yes, a loud minority, but a tiny minority nonetheless.

I assume you will follow this with the usual mindless comments about how I'm a gun grabber, I'm attacking the 2nd Amendment, and all sorts of other stupid noise you've imagined I said just because I called you on your paranoia. If you bother to read my earlier comments, however, you'll learn what I'm attacking is the usual clowns who've overreacted to wild speculation, fueled in great part by dishonest propaganda like the title of this thread. But please carry on with your outrage. It's hilarious in a pathetic sort of way.

 

[Incorruptible]

I see this thread is still delivering the lunacy. Great rant -- ignorant, but full of paranoid outrage. Let me toss in an inconvenient fact, however. Firearm purchase background checks skyrocketed in December, rising an unprecedented 39% from November ... to 2.8 million. Yes, for all your huffing and puffing about "American public opinion" and civil wars and what "nobody" cares about, the fact is fewer than 1% of Americans even applied to purchase guns last month. If the same volume continues this month, and assuming every application comes from a unique individual, that means well under 2% of Americans are buying guns, and only a fraction of them are paranoid gun nuts like you. You are a very distinct minority. Yes, a loud minority, but a tiny minority nonetheless.

I assume you will follow this with the usual mindless comments about how I'm a gun grabber, I'm attacking the 2nd Amendment, and all sorts of other stupid noise you've imagined I said just because I called you on your paranoia. If you bother to read my earlier comments, however, you'll learn what I'm attacking is the usual clowns who've overreacted to wild speculation, fueled in great part by dishonest propaganda like the title of this thread. But please carry on with your outrage. It's hilarious in a pathetic sort of way.

So you arent worried at all about obama, He hasn't admitted it but he would prefer that all guns be banned and no one has guns. Now obviously he wont come out and say this because the piece of shit would face resistance over this but its how he feels.

 

[exdeath]

If there is a limit right now its constrained only by supply and manufacturing capacity.

Actually I'm not paranoid at all. I'm a mathematician, my mind is always processing 100,000 possible scenarios and of course how to discretely deal with the worst case while standing my ground nd protecting my interests and way of life is always the most fun to discuss.

Honestly I hope for a best case scenario: executive order to unify background checks and mandatory mental health reporting while leaving the assault weapons and factory capacity magazine ban to congress where it dies. If you really want my real current opinion based on what's actually been said so far, this appears to be where we are headed:

Biden hints executive order and hints at better background checks, mental health reporting, private sales, gunshow loopholes, etc, as targets of executive order while Obama has been pointing the finger at congress and asking the public to pressure congress for the ban itself. And we all know a ban will not fly in congress. Blue states with assault weapons bans already who are pissed that a federal ban could not be passed will ban assault weapons in their states again with as much limped dick political symbolism as UN sanctions.

I personally see no problem with this outcome. Obama gets to say he did something while throwing congress under the bus for the thing he knows will not happen.

Then they can say they did something without actually depriving citizens of their economic freedom and appease everybody until the next shooting and the next and the next and hopefully by then I'll be dead of old age and not care anymore.

 

[Bowfinger]

If there is a limit right now its constrained only by supply and manufacturing capacity.

Actually I'm not paranoid at all. I'm a mathematician, my mind is always processing 100,000 possible scenarios and of course how to discretely deal with the worst case while standing my ground nd protecting my interests and way of life is always the most fun to discuss.

Honestly I hope for a best case scenario: executive order to unify background checks and mandatory mental health reporting while leaving the assault weapons and factory capacity magazine ban to congress where it dies.

Then they can say they did something without actually depriving citizens of their economic freedom and appease everybody until the next shooting and the next and the next and hopefully by then I'll be dead of old age and not care anymore.

Nonsense. You sure don't seem very good with numbers for a mathematician. Do you honestly believe that supply constraints are the difference between <<2% of Americans buying guns and >50%. Seriously? Whatever the unfilled demand may be, it still leaves the paranoid gun nuts as a very small majority of Americans. There's a much greater percentage of Americans like me who support the 2nd Amendment but roll our eyes at the shrill lunacy we see throughout this thread.

 

[jstern01]

I think we are missing a key point here. While the 2nd amendment preserves the right to keep and bear arms, it does not restrict the government from restricting the sales/trade/transfer of ammuntion and that is the key to how the gov't could effectively regulate guns. So if you can not purchase say ammo or the components to create/reload ammo, well now you have a very expensive club.

There is a presidence for restricting types of ammo, and that means the government could restrict rounds that fit these large capacity magazines. Or they could make it so onerous/expensive by taxing and documentation to purchase ammo that it would effectively achieve the same effect as a assault weapon ban.

 

[irishScott]

I see this thread is still delivering the lunacy. Great rant -- ignorant, but full of paranoid outrage. Let me toss in an inconvenient fact, however. Firearm purchase background checks skyrocketed in December, rising an unprecedented 39% from November ... to 2.8 million. Yes, for all your huffing and puffing about "American public opinion" and civil wars and what "nobody" cares about, the fact is fewer than 1% of Americans even applied to purchase guns last month. If the same volume continues this month, and assuming every application comes from a unique individual, that means well under 2% of Americans are buying guns, and only a fraction of them are paranoid gun nuts like you. You are a very distinct minority. Yes, a loud minority, but a tiny minority nonetheless.

I assume you will follow this with the usual mindless comments about how I'm a gun grabber, I'm attacking the 2nd Amendment, and all sorts of other stupid noise you've imagined I said just because I called you on your paranoia. If you bother to read my earlier comments, however, you'll learn what I'm attacking is the usual clowns who've overreacted to wild speculation, fueled in great part by dishonest propaganda like the title of this thread. But please carry on with your outrage. It's hilarious in a pathetic sort of way.

I don't follow the civil war bullshit, but to be fair, the FBI puts the estimates of total privately owned guns at close to 300 million, and gallup says around half of American households have a gun. Guns are hardly the realm of a tiny minority.

I'd also note that supply is currently woefully short of demand. Distributers have nothing to distribute, the market for anything that might be banned is all but completely dry and/or gouged to all hell. That means there are potential buyers out there who will not get a gun. Those NICS numbers you cited only indicate the number of guns sold, not the number of people trying to buy guns, which is likely much larger.

Also, a gun is not a disposable good. In many cases people buy guns and keep them for a lifetime. So while the number buying new guns may be relatively small, there may be millions who are simply happy with their current AR-15/AK/whatever and stocked up on magazines or other goods, or just didn't buy jack squat.

My point being, those NICS numbers don't effectively quantify the number of assault weapons enthusiasts, who by the way are not all paranoid survivalist morons.

 

[exdeath]

For all the extremist talk, I feel this is the most realistic outcome:

Biden hints executive order and hints at better background checks, mental health reporting, private sales, gunshow loopholes, etc, as targets of executive order while Obama has been pointing the finger at congress and asking the public to pressure congress for the ban itself. And we all know a ban will not fly in congress. Blue states with assault weapons bans already, who are pissed that a federal ban could not be passed yet again, will ban assault weapons once more in their states yet again with as much limped dick political chest pounding and reassertion as UN sanctions.

I personally see no problem with this outcome. Obama gets to say he did something while throwing congress under the bus for the thing he knows will not happen while avoiding a major public catastrophe.

 

[TerryMathews]

For all the extremist talk, I feel this is the most realistic outcome:

Biden hints executive order and hints at better background checks, mental health reporting, private sales, gunshow loopholes, etc, as targets of executive order while Obama has been pointing the finger at congress and asking the public to pressure congress for the ban itself. And we all know a ban will not fly in congress. Blue states with assault weapons bans already who are pissed that a federal ban could not be passed yet again will ban assault weapons once more in their states yet again with as much limped dick political symbolism and reassertion as UN sanctions.

I personally see no problem with this outcome. Obama gets to say he did something while throwing congress under the bus for the thing he knows will not happen.

Probably the most likely scenario. Ironically Rush Limbaugh laid out almost the same scenario today.