Bicyclists have started doing a new thing that makes me furious

[BikeJunkie]

False. As usual, you pick and choose what facts to representation based on what furthers your argument.

I didn't pick and choose anything. I just grabbed the very first line in the link, which you miraculously missed your first time around. Any my point was the government's support of these programs in light of what THEY know to be the program's impact on the existing infrastructure. In other words, it completely debunks your whole 'everyone's turning against cycling' nonsense.

I don't know what's happening in your little podunk town, but I'm starting to believe that's it's either highly anomalous or you're out of touch with it. In either case, cycling as a mode of transportation is exploding in the US, and if Europe is any indication of what's to come, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

You had better buckle in buddy

By the way, you still need to explain this and this:

You've gone from whining about these supposed lobbying groups (laughable in and of itself) blocking blah blah blah, to now saying they have almost no power. So which is it?

 

[BikeJunkie]

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I stopped reading because you failed to offer proof of the following assertion:

And only the worst of the worst cyclists get ticketed in most states.

So I say again:

PROOF?

Yes son, you are going to need to start backing your bullshit up.

 

[7window]

I don't know what happens if you don't produce an ID card because I don't know a single cyclist who would even think of riding without one. That said, I have no problem introducing it into law. Let's be perfectly clear: most cyclists have no problem with carrying ID, registration, etc. Anything that helps legitimize our presence on the road in the minds of the few narrow-minded motorists who are ignorant of the laws is a very welcome change.

When ticketing a cyclist with ID, it's just like ticketing a motorist, and it happens all the time. Despite SA's paranoia, cyclists get ticketed for the same violations that motorists do.

I remember 2 years ago when a cyclist chase me from one end of the crosswalk to the other to kick my bumper. He felt that I should have waited for him to finish crossing. This was a long crosswalk and I already entered it getting ready to turn right. I got out of the car and ask the cyclist why he kicked my bumper. Actually he just graze it because my car was moving and he almost fell too. He apologize profusely, acted dumb and I just got back in the car without saying a word.

Yes I believe cyclist should share the road. I don't even know why there is a debate on that. What if someone has no money for transportation? How does he get around?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I stopped reading because you failed to offer proof of the following assertion:



So I say again:

PROOF?

Yes son, you are going to need to start backing your bullshit up.

This is an internet discussion, not a research paper on how stupid bicyclists are.

My opinion is that LEOs will only deal with the worst offenders.

 

[BikeJunkie]

I remember 2 years ago when a cyclist chase me from one end of the crosswalk to the other to kick my bumper. He felt that I should have waited for him to finish crossing. This was a long crosswalk and I already entered it getting ready to turn right. I got out of the car and ask the cyclist why he kicked my bumper. Actually he just graze it because my car was moving and he almost fell too. He apologize profusely, acted dumb and I just got back in the car without saying a word.

There are assholes with false bravado in every population. There are certainly asshole cyclists, just as there are asshole motorists. I've had encounters with both and I make no excuses for neither. I have several anecdotal stories I could share about toughguys behind the wheel who sped through red lights when confronted about their jackassery, but it's pointless. Those idiots exist everywhere.

Yes I believe cyclist should share the road. I don't even know why there is a debate on that. What if someone has no money for transportation? How does he get around?

Truth be told, cyclists would be thrilled to not have to ride alongside motor vehicles. An obnoxious minority has themselves convinced it's all just a huge conspiracy to aggravate people like SpatiallyAware, but those people live in a world far removed from reality. The reality is that, unless you're willing to just ban cycling altogether, the roads must be shared.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Love how you talk about false bravado in one sentence, and 'confronting jackasses' in another.

Being a jackass isn't illegal. Make a habit out of confronting people and your end might not be under a tire.

 

[BikeJunkie]

This is an internet discussion, not a research paper on how stupid bicyclists are.

My opinion is that LEOs will only deal with the worst offenders.

I see. Unfortunately for you, no one cares about your schizophrenic opinions. They care about what's real. But at least I understand now why the points I made were too inconvenient for you to address: they weren't grounded in opinion, which is where your comfort zone is.

Your opinions - by your own admission now - are utterly baseless.

And with that, we're done. You can join sixone on my ignore list I don't waste my time with people who appeal to emotion over facts. The good news is that your little echo chamber just got that much smaller :thumbsup:

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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If this happens, you made an illegal pass and will be charged accordingly based on any injury caused to the oncoming car or the cyclist.

Sorry, you REALLY didn't think that one through Less so than usual, impressively.

Definitely not, it's part of why I use a dashcam.

I'm on a narrow, 2 lane road, stuck behind a group of ciclists riding 3 abreast so they can catch up on the latest Cosmo or whatever. I patiently follow them, 15mph in a 45, until we get to a passing zone. At that point I will honk so they know I'm there as most of them are clueless, and pass.

At that moment a motorcyclists comes around the corner ahead doing about 60. I would have no choice but to take the lane back. I'm not going to risk my life in a head on collision due to a group of idiots insisting on holding the entire lane. Not a jury in this country would convict.


And, if for some reason it was an illegal pass... Well... Most motorists would much rather face a jury than risk death in a head on collision due to some ciclists refusing to share the road.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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And with that, we're done. You can join sixone on my ignore list I don't waste my time with people who appeal to emotion over facts. The good news is that your little echo chamber just got that much smaller :thumbsup:

That's perfectly fine. Just know, as you peddle around, that the majority of motorists are fed up and feel the same way I do. This thread is a great indicator, you really should use it as a wake up call rather than giving up and running away from a healthy debate.

 

[WelshBloke]

Definitely not, it's part of why I use a dashcam.

I'm on a narrow, 2 lane road, stuck behind a group of ciclists riding 3 abreast so they can catch up on the latest Cosmo or whatever. I patiently follow them, 15mph in a 45, until we get to a passing zone. At that point I will honk so they know I'm there as most of them are clueless, and pass.

At that moment a motorcyclists comes around the corner ahead doing about 60. I would have no choice but to take the lane back. I'm not going to risk my life in a head on collision due to a group of idiots insisting on holding the entire lane. Not a jury in this country would convict.


And, if for some reason it was an illegal pass... Well... Most motorists would much rather face a jury than risk death in a head on collision due to some ciclists refusing to share the road.

So you'd overtake on a blind bend?

And you think that you're in the right?
You ARE a shitty driver.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Read my post again. Carefully, please.

 

[WelshBloke]

Read my post again. Carefully, please.

Dude you're a shitty driver, you're a danger to other road users.

 

[7window]

Motorist and cyclist should use common sense on public roads. Group of cyclist should not hug the road going 15mph on a 40mph road. How difficult is it to move to the right to let the car through. On the same token a motorist should go around the cyclist when they are on the street. It is good for you to keep distance from a cyclist. This way you don't kill someone and risk of being sued or going to jail. Each one should leave each other alone. Just respect. Short of that then you are aholes.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Dude you're a shitty driver, you're a danger to other road users.

LOL, if you say so.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I LOVE LAMP!

I love lamp...

 

[BikeJunkie]

Dude you're a shitty driver, you're a danger to other road users.

This is a guy who thinks a cyclist is at fault when he's in the bike lane and gets right-hooked, and who thinks facts and reality have no place in a discussion like this.

If you're going to carry on with him, you're going to need to lower you standards for reason and intellect quite substantially.

 

[Venix]

No, I wasn't driving too fast. The right side of the road was obscured by rock face and as I rounded the curve the space between the now visible bicyclists and I vanished quickly since they were traveling so slow due to the incline.

That's pretty much the definition of "driving too fast for conditions." Your view of the road was obscured, yet you didn't slow to a safe speed that would allow you to react to a slow-moving vehicle without slamming on the brakes.

At that moment a motorcyclists comes around the corner ahead doing about 60. I would have no choice but to take the lane back. I'm not going to risk my life in a head on collision due to a group of idiots insisting on holding the entire lane. Not a jury in this country would convict.

So if you were passing a car--which would take longer since the car would be moving faster--you would ram the car off the road? You are a frighteningly incompetent driver.

 

[WelshBloke]

LOL, if you say so.

Well you can't seem to perform a simple overtaking manoeuvre without putting a group of cyclists, a motorcyclist and yourself in danger so....

 

[SpatiallyAware]

That's pretty much the definition of "driving too fast for conditions." Your view of the road was obscured, yet you didn't slow to a safe speed that would allow you to react to a slow-moving vehicle without slamming on the brakes.



So if you were passing a car--which would take longer since the car would be moving faster--you would ram the car off the road? You are a frighteningly incompetent driver.

If you were a bicyclist, it would be smart to stay on the edge of the road. That way people don't have to go in the opposing lane and risk having to be in the situation.

The road is a dangerous place, with many variables. Someone can be safe, following every letter of the law, and things can still go wrong. It's best to mitigate the risk as much as possible.

 

[surfsatwerk]

PROOF?

You must be new around here.

 

[BikeJunkie]

I'm learning to adjust my expectations

 

[MagickMan]

I think that cyclist too would also be paying the income tax etc. Just because you pay toll doesn't mean that you own the road!

Anyways, it doesn't really matter who pay the taxes.

Umm, I already said that it does. Income tax doesn't go towards road construction and service; tolls, gas, tire, and wheel taxes do.

I haven't said that bicycles should be on public roads at all, but they don't have equal footing and if they get in the way of other traffic, the law here will come down on them like an avalanche.

 

[Venix]

If you were a bicyclist, it would be smart to stay on the edge of the road. That way people don't have to go in the opposing lane and risk having to be in the situation.

The road is a dangerous place, with many variables. Someone can be safe, following every letter of the law, and things can still go wrong. It's best to mitigate the risk as much as possible.

That doesn't answer the question. In the same situation with a car, are you seriously claiming that you would ram the car off the road and then insist that it's not your fault?

Umm, I already said that it does. Income tax doesn't go towards road construction and service; tolls, gas, tire, and wheel taxes do.

I haven't said that bicycles should be on public roads at all, but they don't have equal footing and if they get in the way of other traffic, the law here will come down on them like an avalanche.

Income, property, and sales taxes all heavily subsidize road funding. User fees do not come close to paying for the roads.

 

[child of wonder]

That's pretty much the definition of "driving too fast for conditions." Your view of the road was obscured, yet you didn't slow to a safe speed that would allow you to react to a slow-moving vehicle without slamming on the brakes.

Oh jesus... you have no idea what you're talking about. You weren't there on that road; I was. The cyclists were on the right side of the right lane which had almost zero shoulder. Due to the nature of the road being an incline and the presence of rockface on the right side of the road obscuring vision it left me little time to react when they entered my field of view.

Again, this is a straw man argument that deflects from the actual point I was trying to make that the cyclists' presence on that road in which had almost no shoulder and was riddled with periods of reduced forward visibility made the road more dangerous for motorists and cyclists. They should not have been there. Whether I was going 45 or 30 mph doesn't change that fact.

 

[MagickMan]

I absolutely disagree with this. Just because you claim to be ok with it doesn't mean the rest of your group does. And only the worst of the worst cyclists get ticketed in most states.

If you impede the flow of traffic on a public roadway, on a non-motorized vehicle, whether it be a; bike, skateboard, or animal (yeah, the law counts for horses too), first offense is a $250 fine. On the second offense they take your bike (or horse) and usually give you 20-40 hours of community service. 3rd time is a class 4 or 5 felony, depending on different factors, and they throw the book at you.

We had so many people being mowed down and killed that our city council finally took the gloves off. Bicyclists don't like it, and sometimes they feel like they're being unfairly targeted, but it's designed to specifically keep them off expressways and busy exchanges. There are other ways for them to go through town, they don't need to be on a busy 55-65MPH road.