Bicyclists have started doing a new thing that makes me furious

[SpatiallyAware]

Because those are the same thing as constant illegal parking and incursions into bike lanes.

But you seem to know *everything*, so I'll defer to your all-powerful knowledge and judgement.

Gotcha, so if a truck is sticking out into the road while it's loading it is now ok to just drive my car down the middle of the double yellow everywhere I go?


So there's an obstruction, great, go into the road lane then back into the bike lane. An occasional obstruction that you need to avoid is not an automatic free pass to just ride in the vehicle lanes all the time.

 

[alkemyst]

The one where he ends up in the back of the delivery truck cracked me up lol

That kind of view was how I got a ticket for being forced out of my lane by a guy that almost hit me and dipping into the HOV lane for all of 5 seconds.

Unfortunately, none of the ticket clinic types defend them and the few attorneys I called couldn't do anything about HOV violations reasonably. It was a $125 ticket.

 

[Venix]

You do realize that you have a duty to avoid an accident... Right?

Even in that video, in court, it would likely end up being 50/50 fault. The cyclist had PLENTY of room to stop, and chose to ram into the car instead and act like a butthurt bicyclist who can brag about getting run over by a raging maniac.

Right. The cyclist didn't simply misjudge the illegal intentions of the car driver or fail to react quickly enough in the five seconds leading up to the rash. He intentionally risked injury or death by ramming the car so he could brag about it.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Right. The cyclist didn't simply misjudge the illegal intentions of the car driver or fail to react quickly enough in the five seconds leading up to the rash. He intentionally risked injury or death by ramming the car so he could brag about it.

WTF was he doing, riding on a road design for vehicles, surrounded by 4000lb hunks of metal, and not see that coming?

Even his little friend was yelling to watch out. Maybe he needs to stick to designated bike trails, if he's incapable of avoiding something like that.



Perhaps it's time to require licensing to ride bikes on the road, like motorcycles.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

You gotta keep em seperated. Bike lanes with k rail barriers should do the trick in urban populations. Ticket bicyclers who don't use the bike path.

more road shoulder in rural areas should suffice.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You gotta keep em seperated. Bike lanes with k rail barriers should do the trick in urban populations. Ticket bicyclers who don't use the bike path.

more road shoulder in rural areas should suffice.

It will never, ever happen as long as the bicycle lobbyists block and any all bills involving tagging/taxing bikes.

 

[Zargon]

You gotta keep em seperated.

:twisted:

 

[pcgeek11]

This guy is just trolling, but there really are some people stupid enough to believe nonsense like this.

Legal fault lies unambiguously with the incompetent car driver, but the cyclist could have easily avoided the collision by riding more defensively. The car driver's intent to illegally turn across the bike lane was obvious long before the crash.

Pretty much no one does this, but the correct way to turn right on a street with a bicycle lane is to enter the lane, move as close to the curb as possible, and then turn. It's much safer than turning across the bike lane, and is actually required by law in many states (or maybe all of them; I don't know).

I disagree with this. Yes the car indicated but the car knowingly overtook the bicycles then turned right which would have forced the road user to change speed or direction. The car driver also failed to make proper observation using the reflective pieces of glass that car drivers seem oblivious to what their purpose is.

The correct procedure I think the car should have taken was to slow behind the bicycles and check the mirrors before making a turn.

So the car should have moved into the bike lane? Isn't it illegal to drive a car in a bike lane?

The cyclist should have clearly seen the car signal to turn and he had plenty of time to slow and prevent the collision. It is all on his dumb ass.

 

[RampantAndroid]

So the car should have moved into the bike lane? Isn't it illegal to drive a car in a bike lane?

The cyclist should have clearly seen the car signal to turn and he had plenty of time to slow and prevent the collision. It is all on his dumb ass.

In places like SF, they have you enter the bike lane before the turn. Regardless, the cyclist in that video is a complete moron who probably can't think right because he's rammed too many cars or something. The car signaled and he was still pedaling.

 

[Venix]

So the car should have moved into the bike lane? Isn't it illegal to drive a car in a bike lane?

The cyclist should have clearly seen the car signal to turn and he had plenty of time to slow and prevent the collision. It is all on his dumb ass.

I like how you're completely clueless about traffic laws, yet still feel confident in placing blame for a collision.

Instead of raging against crash victims, spend some time educating yourself. California, Minnesota, and DC are a few of the places where the law requires cars to enter the bicycle lane before turning. I'm sure you can find plenty of others.

Turning in front of another vehicle is always illegal, even if you signal. Some of you people are frighteningly poor drivers.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I was almost taken out by a car running a red while I was biking to work this morning. Well, they got me tonight. Biking home while in the bike lane, so dumbass(learned afterwards it was a student driver) swerved into the bike lane and took me out.

Landed on my left side right in front of the vehicle, thankfully they didn't run me over. My whole left side is bruised, dress shoes torn up and my TNF Mtn Light jacket has a tear in it.

Lots of witnesses everyone yelling at me not to move but I eventually got up. I didn't want an ambulane to come so the cops just came and b/c it was a student driver they didn't give her a ticket, unbelievable. Give it to the instructor then.

They don't make my shoes or jacket anymore so even if I get money from them, I can't really replace them. Still haven't gone over my bike yet.

Add insult to injury, they didn't even say sorry or apoogize for hitting me. But I have a police report and lots of witnesses. My fun story for the day.

Biking is even more stupid than motorcycling. Are you really that shallow that you need to signal your 'green' status by risking your life in such a noxious way?

Bikers are disgustingly selfish in how they endanger their lives.

 

[_Rick_]

Bikers are disgustingly selfless in how they endanger their lives.

I fixed that for you

 

[Broheim]

In places like SF, they have you enter the bike lane before the turn. Regardless, the cyclist in that video is a complete moron who probably can't think right because he's rammed too many cars or something. The car signaled and he was still pedaling.

An indicator light does not supersede all traffic laws. The driver is supposed to turn on the indicators and then come to a halt until the bike lane is clear, how does turning the indicators on in any way tell the cyclist that the driver is intending to break the law?

if you're driving down a road and another driver in the opposite lane signals he intends to make a left turn, do you:

A: keep driving because that's what you're supposed to do?

B: stop because because the other driver might break the law and cause you to ram him?

 

[_Rick_]

A: keep driving because that's what you're supposed to do?

B: stop because because the other driver might break the law and cause you to ram him?

That clearly depends on whether it's a truck, or a motorcycle.
Rule of the strong!

 

[Capt Caveman]

Biking is even more stupid than motorcycling. Are you really that shallow that you need to signal your 'green' status by risking your life in such a noxious way?

Bikers are disgustingly selfish in how they endanger their lives.

Huh? Trolling? Why do I want to drive when I can bike in bike lanes and get to destinations faster in the city? I also get exercise, save on gas, etc...

I guess I shouldn't walk or run b/c cars have run thru stop signs/red lights and also taken me out.

You antibike folks are the biggest douchebags here.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

An indicator light does not supersede all traffic laws. The driver is supposed to turn on the indicators and then come to a halt until the bike lane is clear, how does turning the indicators on in any way tell the cyclist that the driver is intending to break the law?

if you're driving down a road and another driver in the opposite lane signals he intends to make a left turn, do you:

A: keep driving because that's what you're supposed to do?

B: stop because because the other driver might break the law and cause you to ram him?

In my state, with that video evidence, no way would the bicyclist win any judgement over the motorist.

You have a duty to avoid an accident. You can't just ram someone because they change lanes in front of you, and that's what the bicyclist did.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I fixed that for you

You did.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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You antibike folks are the biggest douchebags here.

It's a reaction to the fools on bicycles who think they own the road.

These bicyclists are upset at the latest trend of police officers ticketing these moronic bicyclists who run red lights, stop signs, and ignore any law which they personally don't agree with.

Meanwhile they want everyone else to obey the rules of the road, and get their leotards in a knot when some has an actual "accident" unintentional situation.


Just like the other video of the turdciclist who runs into everything in the bike lane. He wants people in the bicycle lane to stay out of his way to he can travel unimpeded, yet he's holding a vehicle lane at 15mph wanting everyone to avoid him.


It's insane, the way these elitist bicyclists want the best of both worlds. They want bike lanes, divided even, yet support lobbyists who block any bill that involves taxation.

They want equal treatment on the road as a motorist, yet don't want tags, insurance, or proper licensing, or to have to obey the same laws as other motorists.


It's like dealing with selfish little ballerina children.

 

[Capt Caveman]

blah blah blah blah blah

And is this the majority of bicyclist? No. And no car drivers are assholes, selfish, road rage, etc?

Seriously, you're either a retard, troll or retarded troll.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And is this the majority of bicyclist? No. And no car drivers are assholes, selfish, road rage, etc?

Seriously, you're either a retard, troll or retarded troll.

It seems to be the majority in my area. And I do pay attention to the ones who are polite. I would guess 20% are polite, will move over to let traffic pass when possible, and stay off the road during rush hour. The other 80% hold the lanes on 2-lane roads, often times with 20+ cars lined up behind them as they furiously peddle uphill at 8am in morning rush hour. Even when there are pull offs they refuse to do so. They then get rudely passed or "buzzed", and at the first red light they filter to the front just to cause the entire cycle all over again. They lengthen commutes, which increases pollution and wear on the roads/lights.


And yes, car drivers are assholes, selfish and road rage. They also pay for tags, taxes, insurance, and licensing. Not saying it's right, but if you want equal "fair" treatment then it all needs to be equal. If you want special treatment, then pay tags/tax/licensing/insurance and get your own little exercise lanes.

 

[Capt Caveman]

It seems to be the majority in my area. And I do pay attention to the ones who are polite. I would guess 20% are polite, will move over to let traffic pass when possible, and stay off the road during rush hour. The other 80% hold the lanes on 2-lane roads, often times with 20+ cars lined up behind them as they furiously peddle uphill at 8am in morning rush hour. Even when there are pull offs they refuse to do so. They then get rudely passed or "buzzed", and at the first red light they filter to the front just to cause the entire cycle all over again. They lengthen commutes, which increases pollution and wear on the roads/lights.


And yes, car drivers are assholes, selfish and road rage. They also pay for tags, taxes, insurance, and licensing. Not saying it's right, but if you want equal "fair" treatment then it all needs to be equal. If you want special treatment, then pay tags/tax/licensing/insurance and get your own little exercise lanes.

I also own a vehicle like most cyclist and I pay more than my fair share for tags, taxes, insurance and licensing. So, stop with the bs. And 80%? :biggrin: Yes, cyclist should be driving cars instead and that won't add more to pollution and congestion.

Hopefully, they lobby to get bike lanes installed. Where I live, whenever a street gets repaved/rebuilt, bike lanes need to be installed.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I also own a vehicle like most cyclist and I pay more than my fair share for tags, taxes, insurance and licensing. So, stop with the bs. And 80%? :biggrin: Yes, cyclist should be driving cars instead and that won't add more to pollution and congestion.

Hopefully, they lobby to get bike lanes installed. Where I live, whenever a street gets repaved/rebuilt, bike lanes need to be installed.

ROFL so now you think we need to only pay tax on one vehicle?

That's not how it works... I own multiple vehicles, I only use one at a time, so should the rest be tax-free?


You cyclists need to get your act together as a group. Shun the idiots who think like you, with this childish, elitist, selfish attitude. That sort of mentality is why no one tolerates these idiots (in my area, anyway).

 

[Capt Caveman]

ROFL so now you think we need to only pay tax on one vehicle?

That's not how it works... I own multiple vehicles, I only use one at a time, so should the rest be tax-free?


You cyclists need to get your act together as a group. Shun the idiots who think like you, with this childish, elitist, selfish attitude. That sort of mentality is why no one tolerates these idiots (in my area, anyway).

Where I live, we have our act together, that's why we've gotten more bike lanes and laws to protect us. Park your car on the street and don't look before opening it and you door a cyclist, you're the one at fault and it's a ticketable offense.

And please quote where I've said anything elitist or shown a selfish attitude. You're the douchebag who derails non-cycling threads about your hatred towards cyclist. Between this thread and the Land Rover one, could you act more like a retard?

The other day when they were doing construction on the road(where they'll be adding bike lanes) near my office, a police officer told me to ride on the side walk. Haha!

 

[alkemyst]

In places like SF, they have you enter the bike lane before the turn. Regardless, the cyclist in that video is a complete moron who probably can't think right because he's rammed too many cars or something. The car signaled and he was still pedaling.

That's the problem with everyone today. I think it's now common that if someone sees another's blinker; instead of yielding they try can beat them at the pass. Also WTF is up with everyone today that wants to get into a lane trying to do it by passing first especially when there is room already to merge behind traffic.

You play these games on a bike and chances are you are going to lose.

 

[Venix]

In my state, with that video evidence, no way would the bicyclist win any judgement over the motorist.

You have a duty to avoid an accident. You can't just ram someone because they change lanes in front of you, and that's what the bicyclist did.

The car did not "change lanes." It illegally turned across another travel lane without yielding to the vehicle with the right-of-way. Yes, that's illegal in your state.

The cyclist did not "ram" the vehicle. He assumed that the driver intended to follow the law by signaling, slowing, and then waiting for the cyclists to pass before initiating his turn. He was wrong, the driver broke the law, and he was unable to evade or stop by the time he realized it.

His assumption that the driver would follow the law was foolish given the gross incompetence of most people on the road, but it doesn't magically transfer fault to him any more than wearing a skirt makes a woman responsible for her own rape.