Bicycle road laws confusion.

[Scotteq]

So this guy is just a jackass. At least he wasn't wearing a spandex tour de france getup like most of them.

Just ask them " Do they pay you to wear that shit?"

The looks you get in response are entertaining. 🙂

 

[SNC]

Easily solved by running them all over.

 

[BikeJunkie]

I get behind cyclist on side road and drive behind him respectively (the traffic light was only 30 yards away).

Thank you :thumbsup:

We pull up to the red light and stop, he looks like he's going to turn right but instead waits for traffic to pass and takes the pedestrian crosswalk to the other side of the intersection, now the pedestrian crosswalk was ALSO on the red hand and not the walk symbol. My ultimate question is... is what he did legal or could you be cited for it? Also this light was at a major highway intersection and not just some small town podunk road. This is the intersection I'm referencing.

The cyclist's behavior was unacceptable for two reasons:

1) It was illegal, plain and simple
2) It harms cyclist-motorist relations and he should know better

 

[ch33zw1z]

In this scenario, it doesn't matter if he's a cyclist. he used a crosswalk as a pedestrian. What he did may not have been legal....but hey, at least he used the crosswalk. As a motorist, if you ever hit someone in a crosswalk...it won't go well for you.

 

[BikeJunkie]

In this scenario, it doesn't matter if he's a cyclist. he used a crosswalk as a pedestrian. What he did may not have been legal....but hey, at least he used the crosswalk. As a motorist, if you ever hit someone in a crosswalk...it won't go well for you.

He's only a pedestrian in the crosswalk if he dismounted his bike, which the OP didn't state. If the cyclist dismounted, then it wasn't illegal TMK (probably one of those things that varies state to state). In some areas, this is actually encouraged.

 

[ProchargeMe]

Thank you :thumbsup:



The cyclist's behavior was unacceptable for two reasons:

1) It was illegal, plain and simple
2) It harms cyclist-motorist relations and he should know better

Yeah exactly. When I first got behind the guy I was like, " oh okay a bicycle, I'll be a reasonable driver and be patient". Then he did that and I was like well then, asshole I hope you fall off and scrape your knee. 😡

Also the guy did NOT dismount the bicycle whilst using the ped xing

 

[SlushySolid]

Soooo... how long will this take to get to 30 pages?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Soooo... how long will this take to get to 30 pages?

depends on what you have set for "posts per page", I have it set to 100 posts per page.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

In this scenario, it doesn't matter if he's a cyclist. he used a crosswalk as a pedestrian. What he did may not have been legal....but hey, at least he used the crosswalk. As a motorist, if you ever hit someone in a crosswalk...it won't go well for you.

Sweet. Next time I'm coming up to a redlight I'm going to throw my car in neutral, open the door, and just sort of drag my feet as I go blazing through the red light.

That makes me a pedestrian, right?



Ugh you elitist ciclists are seriously insane with the way you justify this crap. It's no wonder motorists are beyond fed up with your group. There's a reason why your pro ciclist lobbying groups haven't gotten jack passed in the past few years.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Sweet. Next time I'm coming up to a redlight I'm going to throw my car in neutral, open the door, and just sort of drag my feet as I go blazing through the red light.

That makes me a pedestrian, right?



Ugh you elitist ciclists are seriously insane with the way you justify this crap. It's no wonder motorists are beyond fed up with your group. There's a reason why your pro ciclist lobbying groups haven't gotten jack passed in the past few years.

Easy slugger. When I ride, I ride by the rules. The anger, it's unwarranted. The road rage, it's not necessary.

There's a reason there's crosswalks. Go head, hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk, let us know how that works out for you.

BikeJunkie has already commented. What he says make sense.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Easy slugger. When I ride, I ride by the rules. The anger, it's unwarranted. The road rage, it's not necessary.

There's a reason there's crosswalks. Go head, hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk, let us know how that works out for you.

BikeJunkie has already commented. What he says make sense.

Just because you abide by the laws doesn't make you any less of an asshole.

There are plenty of 'legal' things that are flat out rude and inconsiderate:

Babies screaming in a nice restaurant while parents ignore them.
People standing at the front of fast food lines for 5 minutes hemming and hawing.
Going through a 10 items or less checkout lane with 30 things.
Parking sideways across 3 lanes in a parking lot.
Cutting to the front of the line.

...And a ciclist holding the lane on a 2-lane road when there's plenty of room or even a bicycle lane on the side, with a line of 20 cars all trying to get to work to pay for the road they're riding on, who then walks across a red light intersection just to start the process all over again.


Typical ciclist MO - you follow whichever set of laws benefit you the most, safety and consideration to others who pay for the road be damned.

 

[ch33zw1z]

SA - better get back on those meds. you're all sorts of crazy.

I'm not even what you would refer to as a cyclist. I'm rural, there's not bike lanes, I don't ride where there's crosswalks. I hug the edge, and I ride a 29er MTB because the roads aren't that good....and when asshole motorists get to close I can take the MTB off the road. Motorist like you are self-entitled douchebags.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

?? Is that your way of backing out of the discussion?

Your entire argument revolves around the fact that you're "following the rules", that the law is on your side.

My point is that just because it's legal, doesn't make it ok from a societal perspective. You can hold your nose as high as you want, but everyone on the road hates you. Wonder what the witness statements will be when you get mowed down...

 

[BikeJunkie]

Yeah exactly. When I first got behind the guy I was like, " oh okay a bicycle, I'll be a reasonable driver and be patient". Then he did that and I was like well then, asshole I hope you fall off and scrape your knee. 😡

Well FWIW, did his use of the crosswalk affect you? While I certainly don't condone the cyclist's actions at all, it seems silly to get worked up enough to wish him harm :shrug:

That said, I preach to both motorists and cyclists that peaceful coexistence on the road should be top priority, and that means 1) obeying all traffic laws by BOTH parties, and 2) tolerance when the other side breaks #1

Oh, I almost forgot rule #3: Ignore SpatiallyAware. He's an idiot without a brain and a heavy agenda.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Well FWIW, did his use of the crosswalk affect you? While I certainly don't condone the cyclist's actions at all, it seems silly to get worked up enough to wish him harm :shrug:

That said, I preach to both motorists and cyclists that peaceful coexistence on the road should be top priority, and that means 1) obeying all traffic laws by BOTH parties, and 2) tolerance when the other side breaks #1

Oh, I almost forgot rule #3: Ignore SpatiallyAware. He's an idiot without a brain and a heavy agenda.

It affects traffic. If you want to be treated like a car, then follow in the path of traffic like a car. When you jump up on the sidewalk, force your way in front of pedestrians, then cross against the red it negatively affects traffic.


Peaceful coexistence will happen when ciclists start acting like reasonable users of the road. Stop supporting lobbyists which block any bill involving licensing/tax/tag/registration.

If you want to be treated like a car, then act like one. Don't weave between stopped traffic, forcing everyone behind you to travel at 10mph as you furiously pedal uphill.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Funny. SA is on my ignore list but I peeked at a few of his posts. Yup... it's a totally civil thread except for his posts, which are filled with nothing but anger, contempt, and red herrings. Still only wants to acknowledge the laws that support his agenda while ignoring the others (ie, the legality of a dismounted cyclist using a crosswalk).

What an angry little boy *shakes head in pity*

 

[ch33zw1z]

?? Is that your way of backing out of the discussion?

Your entire argument revolves around the fact that you're "following the rules", that the law is on your side.

My point is that just because it's legal, doesn't make it ok from a societal perspective. You can hold your nose as high as you want, but everyone on the road hates you. Wonder what the witness statements will be when you get mowed down...

🙄🙄🙄

Your entire argument is in essence, moot. Based on your own admission that it's legal but it's not ok from a societal perspective....laughable at best.

Everyone on the road != you. There are plenty of courteous drivers out there that share the road with cyclists, and vise-versa.

oh, so know it's legal but you don't like it? whatever, get a grip.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Funny. SA is on my ignore list but I peeked at a few of his posts. Yup... it's a totally civil thread except for his posts, which are filled with nothing but anger, contempt, and red herrings. Still only wants to acknowledge the laws that support his agenda while ignoring the others (ie, the legality of a dismounted cyclist using a crosswalk).

What an angry little boy *shakes head in pity*

pretty much. just an angry d-bag.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Also, in case anyone's wondering why cyclists are sometimes asked to dismount and use the crosswalk at intersections, it's because it helps speed up the flow of traffic once the light turns green.

It's usually of no consequence in rural areas, but in heavy traffic, this does a good job of dispersing the cyclist traffic. Then when the light turns green, cars aren't waiting for a group of cyclists to get back up to riding speed. This practice is convenient for both groups, especially the motorists. I'm sure the sound logic of this won't stop a rabid fanatic from QQ'ing about it though 😛

 

[ProchargeMe]

Well FWIW, did his use of the crosswalk affect you? While I certainly don't condone the cyclist's actions at all, it seems silly to get worked up enough to wish him harm :shrug:

That said, I preach to both motorists and cyclists that peaceful coexistence on the road should be top priority, and that means 1) obeying all traffic laws by BOTH parties, and 2) tolerance when the other side breaks #1

Oh, I almost forgot rule #3: Ignore SpatiallyAware. He's an idiot without a brain and a heavy agenda.

His use of crosswalk was not warranted considering he was still riding the bike, and I'm not even mad about it, this was a thread to clear up a question. The part I said about him scraping his knee was a joke.. If someone were to hit the guy, it would depend on witness statements and the officer that responds, and some intersections even have cameras to cull bullshit claims. Like I said I don't mind cyclists but if I'm respecting you on the road, I expect you to show some respect, or at LEAST show me you have a brain.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Funny. SA is on my ignore list but I peeked at a few of his posts. Yup... it's a totally civil thread except for his posts, which are filled with nothing but anger, contempt, and red herrings. Still only wants to acknowledge the laws that support his agenda while ignoring the others (ie, the legality of a dismounted cyclist using a crosswalk).

What an angry little boy *shakes head in pity*

My only agenda is fair use of the road by all.

Up until recently, rude and lawless ciclists in my area were a major problem. I have a ~10 minute commute, almost all of it is 2 lane backroads with a shoulder or driveway only every couple hundred feet. On a weekly basis there would be ciclists "holding" the road, refusing to allow cars to pass, and refusing to pull over on the available shoulders to let traffic get by.

There are a couple of red lights, and these ciclists would filter up to the front - just to start the entire dangerous process over again.

The result was 20+ minute commute to my office. Now, cars just floor it and pass (buzz) the ciclists who do this. It's gotten to where they don't even ride on these 2 lane roads because people refuse to let them take lanes anymore.

To me, that's sad. If only you rude ciclists would be halfway decent to motorists we could all share the road in peace. However, you all insist on filtering to the front at redlights (which saves you no time, but hinders everyone who is now forced to slowly creep behind you), you jaywalk or run red lights when it benefits you, you're simply a nuisance.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

🙄🙄🙄

Your entire argument is in essence, moot. Based on your own admission that it's legal but it's not ok from a societal perspective....laughable at best.

Everyone on the road != you. There are plenty of courteous drivers out there that share the road with cyclists, and vise-versa.

oh, so know it's legal but you don't like it? whatever, get a grip.

Read these ciclist threads.... It's easily 80% people saying just mow you all over, dead ciclist is one less dbag on the road, etc etc... And 20% of the posts are from 2-3 shrieking ciclists harping on how it's ok to behave like this because it's legal.


Like it or not, agree with me or not, this attitude you and your group have is why there has been no pro ciclist legislation other than the 2 ft laws in the past 5 years. Meanwhile many cities have passed laws requiring ciclists to stay on the edge or allow room, or to pull over when possible.

 

[BikeJunkie]

🙄🙄🙄

Your entire argument is in essence, moot. Based on your own admission that it's legal but it's not ok from a societal perspective....laughable at best.

Everyone on the road != you. There are plenty of courteous drivers out there that share the road with cyclists, and vise-versa.

oh, so know it's legal but you don't like it? whatever, get a grip.

A lot of us have been down this road with him before. He is a stunning example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. You can try to reason with him, but once you debunk his rantings with logic and actual laws, he just starts over and repeats himself.

He doesn't actually care about the laws, efficiency, or just plain cooperation on the road; he just wants his perverted narcissistic sense of "fairness" to be satiated. But because he has to share this planet with other people, it's an impossible endeavor.

 

[WelshBloke]

But bicyclists, they stand united in their leotards, to defend any of their brethren at any cost.

You do realise that most cyclists are drivers as well don't you?
It's not a secret club where people forswear against all other forms of transportation.

Just because you abide by the laws doesn't make you any less of an asshole.

There are plenty of 'legal' things that are flat out rude and inconsiderate:

Babies screaming in a nice restaurant while parents ignore them.
People standing at the front of fast food lines for 5 minutes hemming and hawing.
Going through a 10 items or less checkout lane with 30 things.
Parking sideways across 3 lanes in a parking lot.
Cutting to the front of the line.
....

People in my city can't stand cyclists. They get honked at, buzzed, cops called on them, if not worse.

Yeah that doesn't sound rude or inconsiderate either.

 

[BikeJunkie]

His use of crosswalk was not warranted considering he was still riding the bike

Oh I totally agree - that's why I said I wasn't justifying his actions. He broke the law, plain and simple.