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Bible Mandates stoning of rebellious children.

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Mill
Old Testament is not what modern day Christians live by.

So, bad for laws, good for courtrooms?

yeah, that first statement is misleading.
its true in the sense that the NT was the "new law" given by jesus to "replace" the "old law" but modern day christians dont just toss out the OT. otherwise the bible would be a hell of a lot shorter. maybe they should though...then the 10 commandments could stop mucking up public buildings and would be about as common to bring up as Maccabees.
 
Originally posted by: PatboyX
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Mill
Old Testament is not what modern day Christians live by.

So, bad for laws, good for courtrooms?

yeah, that first statement is misleading.
its true in the sense that the NT was the "new law" given by jesus to "replace" the "old law" but modern day christians dont just toss out the OT. otherwise the bible would be a hell of a lot shorter. maybe they should though...then the 10 commandments could stop mucking up public buildings and would be about as common to bring up as Maccabees.

Modern-day Christian zealots throw out the stuff they don't like and proclaim the rest the word of God.
 
Umm, if you are jewish then perhaps. But if you are christian, then no, since Jesus died so that you didnt have to make sacrifices every time you sinned.

And, i see that I should have read the other posts first since many people beat me to the line.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
So here I am holding a 2 pound stone, and I've spent all day practicing my 'fastball' . . .
Give me a call if your brat gives you any crap !

:laugh:

Good One :thumbsup:
 
I believe, as a Christian, that when Jesus came and died on the cross, a lot of the Old Testament law was able to be removed because he was the ultimate sacrifice. That is why we don't follow the lamb sacrifices as they did in the Old Testament. That is also why many people of my faith don't believe you have to go through someone to speak to God anymore.

Also, Homosexuality was condemned in New and Old Testament. But we probably shouldn't get on that. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
I believe, as a Christian, that when Jesus came and died on the cross, a lot of the Old Testament law was able to be removed because he was the ultimate sacrifice. That is why we don't follow the lamb sacrifices as they did in the Old Testament. That is also why many people of my faith don't believe you have to go through someone to speak to God anymore.

Also, Homosexuality was condemned in New and Old Testament. But we probably shouldn't get on that. 🙂

since when do people get to pick and choose which rules they follow? I guess since it's ok to let adulters off the hook, and fornicators off the hook, and smart ass kids off the hook, god should be able to overlook the homosexual thing too, right?
 
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
if it's the word of god, why should there be a new and old testament???

Jews broke the old testament by not obeying god(adultery, sins,idolatry, read the old testament) so God proposed the New Testament which the Jews don't follow either but Christians do.🙂

*edit* And YES Christians (TRUE CHRISTIANS) follow EVERYTHING in the New Testament.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
If by 'bashed' you mean taken to task for their hypocrisy, then I am all for it. 🙂
This kind of jackassery is exactly what I mean. Are all Christians hypocrites? Do you think Mother Theresa lived up to any Christian ideals? Has there ever been anyone who has? If so, then kindly put down your extra-wide brush and quit with your idiotic generalizations.
Originally posted by: BDawg
So, bad for laws, good for courtrooms?
Have you read the Ten Commandments? Recently? Do they contradict any of our laws? Are they contradicted in the NT? :roll:
Originally posted by: rickn
since when do people get to pick and choose which rules they follow? I guess since it's ok to let adulters off the hook, and fornicators off the hook, and smart ass kids off the hook, god should be able to overlook the homosexual thing too, right?
Thanks for trying to tell us all how to live our religions. Feel free to go back to your cave now.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So, bad for laws, good for courtrooms?
Have you read the Ten Commandments? Recently? Do they contradict any of our laws? Are they contradicted in the NT? :roll:
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investigate the 1st and 2nd commandments.
 
I am Atheist, I believe in no god. You cannot feed me any crap and I do not fear death either.

Atheist is not a religion, it is a lack of religion.. losing my religion, I use to be buddhism but no more because I know now that it was make belief just like with Santa Claus.


 
Originally posted by: glenn beck
<snip>
All of this indicates that the "son" in question is no mere child but, rather, a young man at least in his middle teens or older. As Wright observes, "The law is not talking about naughty children but about seriously delinquent young adults."3

<snip>

The text says that the son is "stubborn" and "rebellious" (vv. 18, 20). Both of these descriptive terms are active participles thus indicating habitual action. The son does not display a stubborn streak now and then, or act rebelliously from time to time, but is continuously stubborn and rebellious.
<snip: stubborn is bad>
The word "rebellious" means, literally, to strike or lash, and is used of those who contend against authority and refuse to heed their words. The "rebellious" individual lashes out in contempt against those who have authority over them verbally, and perhaps even physically.

In light of this, it is important to note that the Law of the Covenant prescribes death for anyone who
strikes his parents (Ex. 21:15)
or curses his parents (Ex. 21:17).

<snip>
The purpose to be served in the execution of the rebellious son is to "put evil away from among you" and that all will "hear and fear" (v.21).
<snip>
The case law in discussion does not apply to young children during the formative years, but applies, instead, to a grown son (and by extension to a daughter as well) who, for whatever reason, has rebelled against the authority of his parents and will not profit from any of their discipline nor obey their voice in any thing. It is a case of habitual contempt of parental authority characterized by a young adult living a life without moral restraint who lashes out verbally and/or physically against his mother and father. It is a case where the evil character of the son is apparently set, and there is no reasonable hope of him ever changing.

The kind of rebellion against parental authority described in this case law is called "evil" (v. 21).
It is evil because it holds both God and His law (i.e., the command to honor parents) in derision.
<snip>
God considers it such a dangerous evil that it must be extinguished by death at the hands of the civil magistrate.

So it's not about stoning disobendient children at all, it's totally different because they are rebellious teenagers who drink and verbally lash out at their parents....

Really some stuff you shouldn't even bother trying to justify, it's a lost cause before you start.

On the other hand, the above approach could be an effective cautionary tale for younger children - "Joey listen to your mother or we'll have you tortured to death in public like your good for nothing brother"
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Old Testament is not what modern day Christians live by.

Good thing, too. The God of the old testament (and interestingly enough, the Qu'ran) is a sadistic, violent, EVIL SOB. I have no *idea* what made people think that Jesus' teachings were an extension of Abraham in any way.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: aidanjm
>Thank you. You answered my question. It is not part of the New testament.

the NT is not followed letter for letter by contemporary xians, either. Also, many xians are perfectly happy to drag out the OT when they feel the need to condemn certain things. What is the point of this thread?
Many on this forum are more than happy to bash Christians in general any time anything remotely religious is even mentioned in a thread. :cookie:

I'll absolutely bash Christians who some how beileve they are "beyond" others just because of the fact they're Christian. Good for you if you're a religious person, thats great but leave other to live as they see fit. If someone is hurting you or themselves why should you enforce it on them?
 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain


I follow neither and I am a atheist.
all people of any moral character follow the teachings of Jesus, even if they are Buddhists, Moslem, or even contrarian Atheists.


statements like this really irritate me. Buddhists follow teachings that were taught 500 years BEFORE Jesus walked the earth, not the other way around bub!

 
Originally posted by: russianpower
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
if it's the word of god, why should there be a new and old testament???

Jews broke the old testament by not obeying god(adultery, sins,idolatry, read the old testament) so God proposed the New Testament which the Jews don't follow either but Christians do.🙂

*edit* And YES Christians (TRUE CHRISTIANS) follow EVERYTHING in the New Testament.

if god is perfect, why did he refine his laws and make them less restrictive? was he bargaining with the jews or something?
 
I've been in a few restaurants with bratty kids, and if stones were available I would have been prepared to chuck them at em.
 
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: russianpower
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
if it's the word of god, why should there be a new and old testament???

Jews broke the old testament by not obeying god(adultery, sins,idolatry, read the old testament) so God proposed the New Testament which the Jews don't follow either but Christians do.🙂

*edit* And YES Christians (TRUE CHRISTIANS) follow EVERYTHING in the New Testament.

if god is perfect, why did he refine his laws and make them less restrictive? was he bargaining with the jews or something?

A reasonable Christian would say that the old testament was corrupted by man and thus needed the new testament, as it says in the new testament. However an unreasonable christian would go LAlAlALAlLAlLALAlA THE BIBLE IS INFALLIBLE LAlAlAlALALALALALALALALa!



(please no one take that second part too seriously...)
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
I'll absolutely bash Christians who some how beileve they are "beyond" others just because of the fact they're Christian. Good for you if you're a religious person, thats great but leave other to live as they see fit. If someone is hurting you or themselves why should you enforce it on them?
The difference is, I'm not repeatedly calling you an idiot or a hypocrite for not being Christian. Kindly take your generalizations elsewhere.
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
statements like this really irritate me. Buddhists follow teachings that were taught 500 years BEFORE Jesus walked the earth, not the other way around bub!
If you'd care to remove the hatred goggles for two seconds, you could clearly see that he's saying the ideals of Buddha and Christ are one and the same.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Tabb
I'll absolutely bash Christians who some how beileve they are "beyond" others just because of the fact they're Christian. Good for you if you're a religious person, thats great but leave other to live as they see fit. If someone is hurting you or themselves why should you enforce it on them?
The difference is, I'm not repeatedly calling you an idiot or a hypocrite for not being Christian. Kindly take your generalizations elsewhere.

Gay Marriage and Aborition are still issuses you are agaisnt? I am right? I never said you where saying anything of the sort to me, nor have I seen those things you have said...
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Gay Marriage and Aborition are still issuses you are agaisnt? I am right? I never said you where saying anything of the sort to me, nor have I seen those things you have said...
That's because I've never said anything of the sort to you, yet you and your fellow anti-Christian posters wield those phrases like weapons in lieu of forming any actual argument. I'd be quite put out if it wasn't so pathetic.

Also, what does my being against gay marriage and abortion have to do with what was said? Are you saying that my stance on those issues makes me an idiot or a hypocrite?
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Tabb
I'll absolutely bash Christians who some how beileve they are "beyond" others just because of the fact they're Christian. Good for you if you're a religious person, thats great but leave other to live as they see fit. If someone is hurting you or themselves why should you enforce it on them?
The difference is, I'm not repeatedly calling you an idiot or a hypocrite for not being Christian. Kindly take your generalizations elsewhere.
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
statements like this really irritate me. Buddhists follow teachings that were taught 500 years BEFORE Jesus walked the earth, not the other way around bub!
If you'd care to remove the hatred goggles for two seconds, you could clearly see that he's saying the ideals of Buddha and Christ are one and the same.

where's the hate in what i said? and the way he said it meant that budhists practice their faith because they follow some of the teachings from christ
 
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