Biased TomsHardware!

[OCGuy]

Theyve got AT beat, sadly. :thumbsdown:


http://www.alexa.com/browse?&CategoryID=5834Start=1

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
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1) I mean why the heck would you use a outdated 8.12 driver when ATi asked to use the 8.561.3 drivers?
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Maybe because it's a month old preview?

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: VulcanX
HONESTLY HOW IS THIS OK? They making ATI look like a pile of scrap in the meantime they using strictly Nvidia : The way its meant to be played games, sum1 plz tell me how much Nvidia paid for this to get done? And why not throw sum 3dmark etc at it, that is a true test, not putting games the GFX cars is designed on!

Relax there big guy, this was just the preview as others have noted. They did put restrictions on what games and how many could be benched in this preview, along with non-disclosure of aspects like heat/power/noise/overclocking. This isn't significantly different than the restrictions ATI imposed on their 4870X2 preview, where they restricted reviewers to 5 titles as well. Ultimately it accomplishes the same thing, limits their exposure to potential driver issues and influences which titles are tested.

 

[soccerballtux]

I looked away from TH a long, long time ago. Anandtech and XbitLabs are the primary sites I frequent and whose word I trust.

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
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1) I mean why the heck would you use a outdated 8.12 driver when ATi asked to use the 8.561.3 drivers?
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Maybe because it's a month old preview?

My bad I didn't expect the OP to link to the old review. Still the rest applies just fine.

 

[Deinonych]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
People still go to tomshardware?

This. :thumbsup:

 

[mindless1]

Here's how it works:

They publish crap, you read it, you link to it, so we go see it. Advertising dollars roll in, the articles had the intended effect.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: VulcanX

But 3dmark is a true test of a GFX cards colours,

No, it really isn?t. It?s a synthetic benchmark with no relevance to actual games. Someone else made the point about the 2900 XT getting better 3DMark scores than the G80, yet we all know that didn?t apply to actual games. In that respect 3DMark?s scores were deceptive.

which i think is extremely important, bcoz if a game is designed for a certain manufacturer and is proven to run well with Nvidia lets say, then of course Nvidia will outperform the competition, after all the games are designed solely for them,

If that happens that still reflects reality with those particular titles. I?d vastly prefer having a TWIMBTP title benchmarked than 3Dmark because said title is a real game, and thus accurately portrays what will happen when you play it, unlike 3DMark which is synthetic and does not translate to gaming performance.

3dmark is not biased and with that kept in mind do they run games as benchmarks in most OC events?

It might not be biased but it?s also irrelevant to gaming performance. If card A gets 12000 points and card B gets 15000 points, can you infer card B will be 25% faster than card A in actual gaming?

Of course not; in fact it could well turn out that card A is faster in gaming despite having a lower 3DMark score, as was evident with the 2900 XT vs the 8800 GTX.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Deinonych

Originally posted by: Insomniator
People still go to tomshardware?

This. :thumbsup:

There's a lot of newbs on that site. Its' a commercialized like Zdnet.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: mindless1
Here's how it works:

They publish crap, you read it, you link to it, so we go see it. Advertising dollars roll in, the articles had the intended effect.

exactly. fyi i didn't even go to the article. i can tell it'll be a huge waste of time even if i went to it. Who actually read it?

 

[evolucion8]

The only useful thing that 3DMark has is that in tests, it can pin point the bottleneck in a certain architecture, like it did with the HD 2900XT which had low performance with it's TMU and broken ROP's which impacted the Anti Aliasing performance greatly. Funny thing that the overall score was higher than the 8800GTX.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: VulcanX
http://www.tomshardware.com/re...e-gtx-295,2107-10.html
I dont understand how they can EVEN PUBLISH summin so strictly biased its not even funny!

We?ve presented the results from six games. Five of them were mandated by Nvidia as a sample of the most-anticipated titles for the 2008 holiday season. Four of those five are part of Nvidia?s The Way It?s Meant to Be Played program. Two are already staples of our own benchmark suite. And we picked one game, Crysis, to add to the mix. This is still engineering-sample hardware and, according to Nvidia, the final fan speeds haven?t yet been set. What makes something like this okay? All of the titles chosen are, in fact, popular games and we can understand the frustration of seeing the same three-year old apps tested over and over again simply because they?re recognized performance metrics. Even still, we want to stay transparent to our readers. In fact, it was a breath of fresh air to see some new software instead of the same Supreme Commander savegame or the World in Conflict fly-through.

HONESTLY HOW IS THIS OK? They making ATI look like a pile of scrap in the meantime they using strictly Nvidia : The way its meant to be played games, sum1 plz tell me how much Nvidia paid for this to get done? And why not throw sum 3dmark etc at it, that is a true test, not putting games the GFX cars is designed on!

I found that in any form and shape, the media is biased, and they don't have to be PAID to be biased, they will happily do it for free...
Although that is not a guarantee that they are NOT being paid.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
What is all this faux-outrage about?

Pretty sure it's this, "Thats bcoz ur prob a Nvidia fanboy"

Or in plain english, this faux outrage isn't about a damn thing except adolescent foot stomping.

Yeah it's all about foot stomping and i've got BIG size 12 feet to stomp with