BHO: Tough on illegals?

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's pricy to imprison them, but Mexico won't do it. This is why they should be deported to the southern tip of mexico, which will then cost them more time/money to even get to the US again. If they are caught a second time, deport them to a country even worse than mexico, further south.

Thats one thing that i always whondered. If you get caught a 2nd time then we should ship you to the most southern part of mexico. Only seems fair.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's pricy to imprison them, but Mexico won't do it. This is why they should be deported to the southern tip of mexico, which will then cost them more time/money to even get to the US again. If they are caught a second time, deport them to a country even worse than mexico, further south.

Build the factories there,,,,and they will come.

 

[Elias824]

I wouldn't have a problem letting the ones who are here have citizenship if we would close the border, leave it open and hand everyone citizenship is a recipe for disaster. We do need cheap labor, but exploiting illegal immigrants is stupid, its abusive to human rights as and contributes to crime.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: dahunan
Depending on the crime they did.. It is super expensive to keep someone incarcerated .. and they can earn money and education in there..

Just seems like they don't deserve our prisons.. Aha... WE SHOULD PAY for them to be incarcerated in their host countries prisons at the going rate there.. I bet their prisons are hell.. and ours are heaven by comparison

Yeah... prison is such a pleasant place to be in the US :roll:

lol.. compared to their host country.. yes it is

And the crime they are incarcerated for is not illegally entering the country.. usually drugs or theft etc

How many of their home countries have you spent a reasonable amount of time in to make such an accusation? These people need to be punished and then sent home. They got here once. They can get here again. If we give them reasons to not come back then there is a higher chance that they will stay out.

The illegal immigration problem is not nearly as simple as so many people (especially conservatives) make it out to be. If it were that simple, then it would no longer a be a problem.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's pricy to imprison them, but Mexico won't do it. This is why they should be deported to the southern tip of mexico, which will then cost them more time/money to even get to the US again. If they are caught a second time, deport them to a country even worse than mexico, further south.

Thats one thing that i always whondered. If you get caught a 2nd time then we should ship you to the most southern part of mexico. Only seems fair.

You two talk as if we have a choice. We cannot just put them where ever we want. Their country's governments may have something to say about that and we cannot just ignore them.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's pricy to imprison them, but Mexico won't do it. This is why they should be deported to the southern tip of mexico, which will then cost them more time/money to even get to the US again. If they are caught a second time, deport them to a country even worse than mexico, further south.

I vote for Venzuela. It would be like a reverse ..err, what the hell was that called...Mariana something boat lift?

 

[Elias824]

Maybe we should just draft them, if they come back they can be citizens. Better yet, forced labor projects that would be awesome.

 

[heyheybooboo]

If the Feds want local Law Dogs to function as ICE officers they should pay for that privilege - stop dumping unfunded mandates on the states and locals.

And the last I saw 10-15% of the illegals have gone home ...

 

[MovingTarget]

Well, I hope that he does finally get a grip on the situation. Illegal immigrants do in fact depress wages, particularly in "unskilled" areas, even in good economic times. I do not agree that they are a net positive for economic growth and our standard of living overall. We do not need them here as there are plenty of CITIZENS and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who are out of work and would be willing to take those jobs. We had plenty of people doing those exact jobs before the latest influx of illegal immigrants. Deport the ones you can and set up a comprehensive system that reasonably works for the migrant workers we do need. As far as the ones here that do commit crimes (other than boarder-hopping, of course), a database to identify repeat offenders is necessary and proper.

 

[Arkaign]

Hate to say it, but if you took a few pages from H.H.'s playbook, we wouldn't have much of an illegal immigrant problem. Might be too severe a response though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posen_speech

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Hate to say it, but if you took a few pages from H.H.'s playbook, we wouldn't have much of an illegal immigrant problem. Might be too severe a response though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posen_speech

Don't give some of these guys too many ideas ...

 

[CrimsonWolf]

What a fucking joke. Napolitano shot down stuff like this in AZ as governor. Called it a unfunded mandate. Most speculation though was that she just didn't want to piss off the large and growing Hispanic population in the state. Now she's insulated from that political pressure.

This is a good idea, but I hope they've set aside money for this. Help out local enforcement, and that way she is not a complete hypocrite.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: OzonedHate to burst your bubble, but any action taken on illegal aliens is symbolic. There are, by some estimates, 20,000,000 illegals in the usa. This translates to 200,000 illegals currently in inmate status. (nearly 1% of general population is incarcerated) THIS ISN'T DOABLE, but if it allows getting rid of the really bad ones, go for it.

We could get rid of them if we really wanted to; we could encourage them to self-deport. For example, we could begin executing business owners who employ illegals and we could begin shooting illegals on sight, etc. That's inhumane and extreme, and I'm not advocating that, but I think it proves my point that we could get rid of them if we really wanted to. I'm sure that all sorts of less extreme and more humane punishments could be devised to effectuate that.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
well, the illegal immigrant is sucking our life blood dry atm. They pay no income tax( no social security number) yet have all the benefit of the citizen + more.

Incorrect. Some do have tax ids and pay taxes. They also don't have all of the benefits of a citizen.

But they do get free health care and their children get public education.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: KlokWyze
I was discussing with a friend that I found it surprising that there isn't more animosity towards illegals during this economic downturn. With the lower employment rates, wage decreases, etc. I would think there would be more of an outcry about them taking jobs from US citizens.

You'd think we'd also hear a greater outcry about foreign outsourcing and H-1B and L-1 visas.

The reason we're not hearing it is that we as Americans have been indoctrinated to believe in free trade, immigration, and "meritocracy". We've been raised to believe that free trade is always good, that immigration improves our economy, and that if you lose your job or can't find a new one it's your fault and your economic station in life is what you deserve.

Our politicians and our media have done a great job of convincing the public that their economic problems can be solves with more and better education--that if only they were smarter and harder working and better educated that they would find jobs.

So, instead of being able to recognize our nation's real economic problems, people tend to blame themselves or conclude that education is a panacea.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: dahunan
Deport the people immediately... let them do time in their own country

After the criminal serves his or her sentence

<<< needs changed immediately... Sentence them and send them to the offenders host nation to do their time

That would potentially remove much of the deterrent effect of prison for illegal immigrants. Once we send them back, it's out of our hands. Maybe their home country will punish them harshly, maybe they won't. Maybe they'll be crossing the border again a week later.

Well in the case of Mexicans, which most of our illegals are, their home prisons are much harsher than ours. I bet they would be begging to serve their time in the US.

Put the non-violent offenders to work building a nice big concrete and steel wall along our southern border then dump them on the other side.

They can mix concrete, dig ditches and do basic manual labor.

We get a stronger border using cheap labor.

They can learn the construction trade which will benefit them back in their home country if they come back legally, they have a better chance at a job that is more than picking vegetables.

 

[piasabird]

Interesting.

 

[compuwiz1]

Just a couple days ago in a store parking lot my wife felt this huge impact to the back of her car. Apparently a Mexican who barely spoke English had just backed out of a parking space real fast and hit her. She got out and went to his window. She said he was obviously intoxicated because as he was saying "no habla", she could smell the whiskey on his breath. He then just drove off. She called the cops and gave a description of the vehicle, license plate, etc., but so far they haven't located the perp. There is $900 damage to our vehicle, just $100 short of the deductible. Asshole! It's people like him who should not be here to begin with and should be immediately deported when caught. :|

 

[NoShangriLa]

Why blame the illigal?

It would be more productive if the govenment take a harsher stance on people that employs illigal immigrant.

 

[scruffypup]

Originally posted by: Evan
Immigrants (including illegals) are a net positive for economic growth, and commit crimes at a lower rate than the population, so they are a real benefit to the country. But it does make perfect sense to keep track of immigration status. The problem arises if you end up deporting parents whose children are legal citizens by birth (whom wingnuts derogatorily call "anchor babies"). Breaking up hundreds of thousands of families obviously makes things worse, and this is just one example of the impracticality of deportation. But monitoring and maintaining records on illegals is a must, no question about that.

It is comments like this that are just plain ignorant,.. living on a border state - ARIZONA - I can tell you that none of that comment is true.

1) Arizona has been the #1 state for Identy theft per capita for at least a decade,... California, Texas and Nevada have always been in top 5. Prime example of harm was recently an illegal was trying to get a loan for a $33,000 truck in someone elses name, got caught, upset at police they were arresting a hardworking family man,... come to find out he had over $800,000 in loans under a stolen ID,... a lot of this money/vehicles most likely went south of the border,... and left a citizen with a pile of crap to deal with for years.

2) Phoenix is now the nation's capital for kidnapping

3) many illegals are also dealing drugs, smuggling drugs or part of the problem

4) The mass number of illegals, places downward pressure on wages

5) most have at best a 4th grade education,.. the kind of education that will not produce anything but low wage earners (who don't pay taxes in our system - they get money) and are more likely to engage in criminal activity

6) Many do not pay taxes anyways - if they do, it is because they stole someone's ID,.. and see last comment

7) many get free healthcare through state system,...

8) many don't have car insurance,... so when there is an accident, who is left holding the bag?

9) the costs of infrastructure,... police, firefighters, roads, teachers is not being paid by this group and the burden falls on the rest

10) the majority of phoenix police officers killed in the line of duty, have been killed by illegals,... there are tons of arrests involving molestation and rape of our children, as well as other crimes,... but the two specifics I mentioned are enough to be disgusted by this,... and yes there is crime here already,.. but do we need to bring in more by people hiding in the shadows?

11) I haven't even covered the food stamps yet,...

12) The argument that they do jobs Americans won't is a fallacy,... many citizens have lost their jobs doing the same thing,... but they cannot do it under the table, with someone else's ID, etc like the illegals can and are undercut wage wise

13) Food prices would not skyrocket,... a few food items might increase, but doubtful as the economy woudl adjust, either technology to make the harvesting and such of these crops better, or those crops would be converted to higher profiting types,.. then there would be a demand to import the other crops (lettuce comes to mind as the argument held usually),... we could then import from Mexico,... giving a boost to their economy with that demand,... it actually works that way in the economy people!!!!

14) A large portion of the money being made is being sent south of the border,... therefore we are exporting a lot of the money out of our economy by letting the illegals stay here (yes we have been letting them stay with hardly much effort to do anything for decades)

15) There is so much more,... the post I responded to was just incredibly ignorant,..

And if you think we in Arizona are harsh, which we aren't but need to be,.. you should see what Mexicans do to their illegal immigrants from south of their border,...

Is it a problem that will go away overnight? NO! But if we can have a NET EXPORT of illegals each year instead of a NET IMPORT through enforcement of current laws, employer sanctions, prison time, pressure on neighboring countries,... etc we can get there and have this be less of an issue.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Thank you for your excellent post Scruffypup. Sadly, no matter how many facts you present, some people will continue to believe the dogma that immigration is always good.

 

[blackangst1]

Living in AZ also I can mirror what scruffy said. Not really much to add.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Living in AZ also I can mirror what scruffy said. Not really much to add.

As can I, as it pertains to Pasco Washington. They are everywhere. It feels like Mexico here, not Washington state. And, the businesses cater to them. The new Walmart on the west end of the freeway here is an example of that. Pretty much 80% of who shops there. A while back BofA had a deal where you did not need a social security card to open a bank account or apply for a credit card. :shocked:

 

[ccbadd]

Here in Texas my concern is politics. If Obama gives amnesty it will have the effect of negating my vote as most of these illegals vote Democrat if they get to vote in order to get the government handouts. They do get to vote illegally some times. I think amnesty is treason as our immigration rules were created so as to keep any single ethnic group from causing a major shift in the culture of the country and this does give Mexicans undo influence. That is why we try to balance immigration from all over the world and I think Mexico made it's quota with Reagan's bonehead amnesty of 5+ million in the 80's.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: scruffypup
10) the majority of phoenix police officers killed in the line of duty, have been killed by illegals,... there are tons of arrests involving molestation and rape of our children, as well as other crimes,... but the two specifics I mentioned are enough to be disgusted by this,... and yes there is crime here already,.. but do we need to bring in more by people hiding in the shadows?

Where are you getting this from? For kicks, I did a quick Google search and checked out how officers have died in the line of duty since 2000.

Officer Nick Erfle was shot and killed on Sept 18, 2007 by an illegal immigrant.
Officer George Cortez Jr. was shot and killed July 27, 2007 by a US Citizen.
Officer Paul Salmon died on November 29, 2005 after losing control of his vehicle.
Officer David Uribe was shot and killed May 10, 2005 by a US Citizen.
Officers Jason Wolfe and Eric White were shot and killed August 28, 2004 by a US Citizen.
Officer Donald Schultz drowned May 12, 2004 while searching for evidence in a canal.
Officer Beryl Scott Jr. was killed in a motorcycle accident on Sept 10, 2002.

So, of eight officers died in the line of duty, only one was actually killed by an illegal immigrant. Hardly a majority seeing as many officers died by drowning in a city in the desert as were killed by illegals.

If you made that one up, how much of the rest was made up? Care to cite any sources?