BGR: Apple claims 9 iPhone 6's effected by Bendgate, here's a video with 300

Bateluer

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http://bgr.com/2014/11/03/bendgate-iphone-6-plus-video-300/

While dozens of reports of bent iPhones popped up in the first few days alone, Apple stated publicly that it had only received nine complaints from users who said that their new iPhones had been bent.

That number apparently angered some Apple fans out there, and a new site called “One of the Nine” launched last month. The goal of the site was to collect photos from iPhone 6 and 6 Plus owners to show that more than nine iPhones had been bent during usage.

Now, despite the fact that the site didn’t get much publicity, it has collected photos of at least 300 bent iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus units.

More pictures here. --> http://www.oneofthenine.com/

So, did only 9 people out of millions actually try returning the phone for it being bent or did Apple disregard many complaints under the 'You're holding it wrong' logic?
 

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http://bgr.com/2014/11/03/bendgate-iphone-6-plus-video-300/



More pictures here. --> http://www.oneofthenine.com/

So, did only 9 people out of millions actually try returning the phone for it being bent or did Apple disregard many complaints under the 'You're holding it wrong' logic?

I think the 9 people comment was made pretty early on. Apple may sell 10 million phones in a day, but they sure didn't ship that many. So I wouldn't be surprised if only 9 people made official complaints to Apple corporate at that time. And I also wouldn't be surprised if Apple corporate wasn't including the people that made exchanges at Apple retail stores.

Though I think people are making an oddly big deal out of this. It's a thin aluminum phone, of course it's might bend under pressure more easily than thicker phones. I haven't heard of anyone being given a hard time trying to get their phone replaced or getting a refund.
 

Bateluer

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Though I think people are making an oddly big deal out of this. It's a thin aluminum phone, of course it's might bend under pressure more easily than thicker phones. I haven't heard of anyone being given a hard time trying to get their phone replaced or getting a refund.

Why do we accept mediocrity now? There's been phones thinner than the iPhone 6, phones made out of aluminum, and none of them bent simply sitting in the owners pocket on a road trip.
 

KeithP

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Why do we accept mediocrity now? There's been phones thinner than the iPhone 6, phones made out of aluminum, and none of them bent simply sitting in the owners pocket on a road trip.

That is incorrect. A number of smart phones had reports of bending after only being in users pockets. A quick google search is all that is needed to find them.

-KeithP
 

QueBert

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That is incorrect. A number of smart phones had reports of bending after only being in users pockets. A quick google search is all that is needed to find them.

-KeithP

But they're not iPhones so it's totally invalid.
 

Bateluer

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That is incorrect. A number of smart phones had reports of bending after only being in users pockets. A quick google search is all that is needed to find them.

-KeithP

http://www.cultofmac.com/297404/get-bent-shocking-history-bent-smartphones/

Looks like mostly iPhone models.

But, I found the caption under the Sony Z1 amusing.

Many Sony Xperia Z1 users reported their metal frame mysteriously bent for no reason at all after being left in rear pockets.

No reason at all . . . other than the buttocks sitting on top of it. :/
I can say that there's no way I could bend any of the smartphones I've owned with only my hands, unlike the apparent ease at which the iPhone 6 bends when pressure is applied near the volume buttons.
 
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http://www.cultofmac.com/297404/get-bent-shocking-history-bent-smartphones/

Looks like mostly iPhone models.

But, I found the caption under the Sony Z1 amusing.



No reason at all . . . other than the buttocks sitting on top of it. :/
I can say that there's no way I could bend any of the smartphones I've owned with only my hands, unlike the apparent ease at which the iPhone 6 bends when pressure is applied near the volume buttons.
No one has done an apples to apples comparison. Listening to internet rage isn't an accurate representation of failure rates.

With that said, honestly you know very well the comment about 9 bent phones was within the first day or two of the discovery. So what if 300 now surface. It's quite obvious people jump on the "me too" bandwagon only after a discovery makes its way around the internet.

I don't do complaints handling, but I've done my fair share in looking at product design issues and tracking that with field complaints and returns. You don't just arrive at a conclusion without long term data.
 

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I don't actually care whether bendgate is real or not, but I hope the attention is enough to sway people that making phones thinner and thinner just for the sake of thinness is a stupid idea.
 

mikeymikec

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No reason at all . . . other than the buttocks sitting on top of it. :/ .

On one hand I don't think one should be able to bend a phone, but on the other hand, who sits on their phone?!? IMO it's like complaining that the finish comes off an appliance because you've licked it for too long!
 

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I don't actually care whether bendgate is real or not, but I hope the attention is enough to sway people that making phones thinner and thinner just for the sake of thinness is a stupid idea.

Thinness is really nice though. It makes putting a phone in the pocket much more bearable.
 

Eug

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Thinness is really nice though. It makes putting a phone in the pocket much more bearable.

My most comfortable phones in the pocket were the dumb phones that were much less wide but half an inch thick.

My most comfortable iPhone in the pocket was the iPhone 4.
 

mikeymikec

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My previous HTC Desire C was a pretty good size for a normal trouser pocket, I can't remember ever feeling that it got in the when sitting down, etc. Pity that its processing power was only fast enough for dumb phone use. I agree though; thickness of phones hasn't been a problem for nearly a couple of decades, surface area is the bigger issue.

I wish they would make a phone the same size but with a high resolution screen and decent hardware.
 
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WelshBloke

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With that said, honestly you know very well the comment about 9 bent phones was within the first day or two of the discovery.

And did Apple and the people quoting them say "It's only 9 phones therefore not a problem" or "It's only 9 phones but it's early days, I'm sure more will turn up"?

So what if 300 now surface. It's quite obvious people jump on the "me too" bandwagon only after a discovery makes its way around the internet.

So you either have to have the problem on release day or you're "jumping on the "me too" bandwagon"?

So what if 3000 surface in a couple of months? So what if it's an intrinsic problem with the model that most handsets exhibit over a typical usage lifetime?
 
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And did Apple and the people quoting them say "It's only 9 phones therefore not a problem" or "It's only 9 phones but it's early days, I'm sure more will turn up"?

Maybe it's useful to read Apple's full statement?

Our iPhones are designed, engineered and manufactured to be both beautiful and sturdy. iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus feature a precision engineered unibody enclosure constructed from machining a custom grade of 6000 series anodized aluminum, which is tempered for extra strength. They also feature stainless steel and titanium inserts to reinforce high stress locations and use the strongest glass in the smartphone industry. We chose these high-quality materials and construction very carefully for their strength and durability. We also perform rigorous tests throughout the entire development cycle including 3-point bending, pressure point cycling, sit, torsion, and user studies. iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus meet or exceed all of our high quality standards to endure everyday, real life use. With normal use a bend in iPhone is extremely rare and through our first six days of sale, a total of nine customers have contacted Apple with a bent iPhone 6 Plus. As with any Apple product, if you have questions please contact Apple.

The reference to 9 bent phones was within the scale of the first 6 days. Nowhere did they address the future and a prediction of how many more would show up or if this is it. I feel like people are taking it too far.

For the OP to come in here to say something along the lines of "Apple said there were only 9, but here's 300" becomes fully invalidated. Sure he has a point 300 users have gripes with the phone bending, but its not like Apple made a mistake in saying 9 bent phones in 6 days.

So you either have to have the problem on release day or you're "jumping on the "me too" bandwagon"?

The failure rate is one way to objectively investigate the problem, but knowing that Apple's issues tend to get blown out of proportion, perhaps its more meaningful to look at typical bending momentums needed to cause significant bending to a typical phone versus the iPhone 6, and perhaps to look at what typical stresses are placed on the phone in typical use scenarios.

So what if 3000 surface in a couple of months? So what if it's an intrinsic problem with the model that most handsets exhibit over a typical usage lifetime?

I don't have a problem if the root cause of the problem IS a design issue and if Apple's phone is indeed far too "bendy" for the masses, but for the OP to complain about Apple's statement because he's found 300 "victims" is not an indication that Apple's statement was wrong. As I said before, Apple's statement was in the early days of use. Its likely you have more failures later down the road after people begin noticing this issue or because bending takes some time to take place (cyclical stress, etc.).

Failure rates can be a metric used to gauge how problematic a product is, but without objective analysis of the bending issue on an iPhone, all we can do is rely on fanboys and complainers in a shouting competition to see who wins.
 

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That is incorrect. A number of smart phones had reports of bending after only being in users pockets. A quick google search is all that is needed to find them.

The issue seems to be that the 6+ in particular seems to be bending in the same spot. Which seems to indicate an inherent flaw rather than random batches of badly made examples of phones or user brainfarts leading to bent phones.

Every example I have seen of the bending seems to start near the bottom of the of the volume rockers with the severity of course depending on how purposefully the bending is.


AFAIK previous bent phones weren't mostly in the same place for a particular model and could have been user neglect or perhaps a faulty example that slipped past Quality inspection.


Given that the bending in quite a few of the pictures (and videos) that I have seen seems to begin in the same area of the 6+, the distinct possibility of a lack of attention to detail in the physical design of the frame of the 6+ could be argued to exist.


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I'm reminded of Antennagate and how overblown the reactions were. The Anything But Apple camp screamed about it -- this was proof the iPhone 4 was completely defective, recalls were necessary and Apple would die the death it so rightly deserved.

Only that's not what happened. Yes, Apple gave out free bumper cases and eventually fixed the problem in the iPhone 4S, but the number of people who encountered trouble was negligible. The iPhone 4 not only triggered a big surge in sales, it was one of Apple's longest-lasting models -- up until this year, you could still buy it in countries like India. Unchanged.

So far, it sounds like Bendgate is that, but without nearly as much thunder. Irrational fanpeople will cling to it as proof Apple is doooooomed, but the actual incident rate is likely to be very low. Yes, it's something you may want to be aware of, but you'll be fine if you respect your phone.
 

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Yes, it's something you may want to be aware of, but you'll be fine if you respect your phone.

Get a quality case with some rigid materials incorporated and the issue is solved unless you're doing a bendtest.



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WelshBloke

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Maybe it's useful to read Apple's full statement?



The reference to 9 bent phones was within the scale of the first 6 days. Nowhere did they address the future and a prediction of how many more would show up or if this is it. I feel like people are taking it too far.

For the OP to come in here to say something along the lines of "Apple said there were only 9, but here's 300" becomes fully invalidated. Sure he has a point 300 users have gripes with the phone bending, but its not like Apple made a mistake in saying 9 bent phones in 6 days.

So basically youre saying that Apples statement was a meaningless publicity message and that they knew there was no validity or sense in making it?



The failure rate is one way to objectively investigate the problem, but knowing that Apple's issues tend to get blown out of proportion, perhaps its more meaningful to look at typical bending momentums needed to cause significant bending to a typical phone versus the iPhone 6, and perhaps to look at what typical stresses are placed on the phone in typical use scenarios.

Or look at real world examples of the failure and try to work out whats wrong rather than brushing it under the carpet?



I don't have a problem if the root cause of the problem IS a design issue and if Apple's phone is indeed far too "bendy" for the masses, but for the OP to complain about Apple's statement because he's found 300 "victims" is not an indication that Apple's statement was wrong. As I said before, Apple's statement was in the early days of use. Its likely you have more failures later down the road after people begin noticing this issue or because bending takes some time to take place (cyclical stress, etc.).

As per my earlier statement; Apples statement was purely a publicity message meant to try to deflect and minimise any reporting of the problem not to address any substance that it may have.

Failure rates can be a metric used to gauge how problematic a product is, but without objective analysis of the bending issue on an iPhone, all we can do is rely on fanboys and complainers in a shouting competition to see who wins.

Well given that theres no way in hell that Apple would give out any negative press on its products we have to rely on user reports. And its telling that your referring to people that have gone out and bought iPhones with their own money as "fanboys and complainers".
 
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So basically youre saying that Apples statement was a meaningless publicity message and that they knew there was no validity or sense in making it?

Apple's statement is a typical "we stand by our products" statement expected from any big company. How was there no validity though? If you read the statement, while it's positive looking, I don't see anything incorrect about it. No where did they dismiss the problem saying that this is not an issue. They said they run a thorough design validation on their products for typical use scenarios involving bending. They also mentioned that while it is possible to bend an iPhone, it should be rare.

The point about 9 bent iPhones in the first 6 days may be based on what has been reported. But either way, people should recognize 6 days of data isn't long term data anyway.

Or look at real world examples of the failure and try to work out whats wrong rather than brushing it under the carpet?

Sure why not. We should all look at long term data. OP's extremely biased and he's not posting this because he wants to gather long term data. Look at his tongue in cheek statement about holding it wrong. I mean honestly, he wasn't here to gather more data or investigate more into this failure. He was dead set on his interpretation of Apple's statement referring to 9 bent iPhones total when in fact they specifically said that was in the first 6 days only.

For the record, when we do failure analysis and look at field failures we don't just look at the number of complaints when looking at occurrences. They have to be investigated failures where we determine the root cause can be attributed to a certain issue. So there could have very well been more than 9 complaints of bent iPhones, but Apple can't just attribute any one voice complaining to be a true complaint. You have to validate complaints and investigate them before you can confirm the failure mode.

As per my earlier statement; Apples statement was purely a publicity message meant to try to deflect and minimise any reporting of the problem not to address any substance that it may have.

I'm not sure if its deflecting. I think they're trying to do damage control--typical of any company. The truth is somewhere in between. So we saw some initial bend reports. So what? No one but Apple or other handset manufacturers that do this kind of testing has failure rate information or even a solid understanding of what kind of stresses are present in typical use scenarios. Do you or I? Sure we could run some lab tests, but how many of us here have even done that? Most of us are just echoing what the media is reporting.

The point is that there were some initial reports, and of course the media loves blowing up any "Apple scandal" up into a giant issue even if its not really that big of a deal in the end (look at Antennagate for reference). Its most likely less big of a deal in the end. Apple's statement was likely trying to tell everyone that it's not that big of a deal as some people are making it.

Well given that theres no way in hell that Apple would give out any negative press on its products we have to rely on user reports. And its telling that your referring to people that have gone out and bought iPhones with their own money as "fanboys and complainers".

Please, who would come out with an immediate apology. Look at all the companies out there who have done something wrong. You have to stand by your product, your company, your design, your workmanship. It doesn't mean you tell the customer they're wrong, but its your duty to shareholders to increase the value of your company, not prematurely apologize for something that may or may not be an error.
 
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WelshBloke

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Apple's statement is a typical "we stand by our products" statement expected from any big company. How was there no validity though? If you read the statement, while it's positive looking, I don't see anything incorrect about it. No where did they dismiss the problem saying that this is not an issue. They said they run a thorough design validation on their products for typical use scenarios involving bending. They also mentioned that while it is possible to bend an iPhone, it should be rare.

The point about 9 bent iPhones in the first 6 days may be based on what has been reported. But either way, people should recognize 6 days of data isn't long term data anyway.

Theres no validity because, as you said, it was made just after release and they knew that saying "just 9 cases" was a meaningless statement. Its like saying you have a 100% satisfaction rating before you release the product. Its vacuous.

Apple always pull the "let select reporters into the testing facilities and show how rigorous or testing is therefore there can be no problem" thing even when it flies in the face of evidence.



Sure why not. We should all look at long term data. OP's extremely biased and he's not posting this because he wants to gather long term data. Look at his tongue in cheek statement about holding it wrong. I mean honestly, he wasn't here to gather more data or investigate more into this failure. He was dead set on his interpretation of Apple's statement referring to 9 bent iPhones total when in fact they specifically said that was in the first 6 days only.

I dont really care about the OP or his motivation, that doesnt change the issue at all.

For the record, when we do failure analysis and look at field failures we don't just look at the number of complaints when looking at occurrences. They have to be investigated failures where we determine the root cause can be attributed to a certain issue. So there could have very well been more than 9 complaints of bent iPhones, but Apple can't just attribute any one voice complaining to be a true complaint. You have to validate complaints and investigate them before you can confirm the failure mode.

Thats all very nice but irrelevant. Apple dont release internal information like that and will certainly do and say nothing unless they have to. So the choices are do nothing or listen to end users and our sympathies should always go with end users as we are them.



I'm not sure if its deflecting. I think they're trying to do damage control--typical of any company. The truth is somewhere in between. So we saw some initial bend reports. So what? No one but Apple or other handset manufacturers that do this kind of testing has failure rate information or even a solid understanding of what kind of stresses are present in typical use scenarios. Do you or I? Sure we could run some lab tests, but how many of us here have even done that? Most of us are just echoing what the media is reporting.

Of course its deflecting. What else would it be when you blame failure on the users rather than facing up to a design flaw.

So trust the media or trust Apple about potential failures in one of Apples products? :hmm:

The point is that there were some initial reports, and of course the media loves blowing up any "Apple scandal" up into a giant issue even if its not really that big of a deal in the end (look at Antennagate for reference). Its most likely less big of a deal in the end. Apple's statement was likely trying to tell everyone that it's not that big of a deal as some people are making it.

So the media "big things up" and Apple "sweep it under the carpet"? Is it best just to let companies carry on regardless if they make mistakes? Apple corrected the "Antennagate" issue, do you think they would have if the media hadnt said anything? That annoying purple fringing issue thats magically disappeared in subsequent Apple cameras, would that have gone with no publicity?

Fact is that products get better because people point out the flaws in them.



Please, who would come out with an immediate apology. Look at all the companies out there who have done something wrong. You have to stand by your product, your company, your design, your workmanship. It doesn't mean you tell the customer they're wrong, but its your duty to shareholders to increase the value of your company, not prematurely apologize for something that may or may not be an error.

So youre saying that Apple will say anything to keep their shareholders happy even if it means calling their end users liars because in this case theres a lot of examples of users either being told it was their fault for putting a phone in their pocket or deliberately bending it.
 

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The number "9" is a out right lie. Simple as that. Defending it is just a waste of time.
 

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All Apple marketing. I like the other one, 100% Apple Mini Retina satisfaction rate. 100%, really??