Bf4 premium vs standard?

imaheadcase

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Rofl, this series is a joke. Hell, they don't even have anything new gameplay wise.

ITS JUST BF3 WITH NEW MAPS PEOPLE.
 

SLU Aequitas

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Premium = ALL further DLC at a discount versus purchasing them separately. In addition, you get access to the DLC earlier, as well as premium "fluff" content (tags, videos, etc) plus more "Double XP" weekends.

As for the lulz on same game...yeah, notsomuch. Larger squads, commander is back, better squad perks/progression, level evolution, much better destruction. New maps, new content. Up to you whether you feel it's worth buying, but considering the fun I have with BF3, it was worth it for me to pony up for both, as I know I'd get the expansions regardless.
 

Rinaun

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This shit is why I no longer buy anything from the Battlefield franchise. It's nothing but a COD level cash cow. I know DICE had little to do with this, but them not speaking up shows they were cool with Battlefield being monetarily monopolized. Now how have TWO populations playing the same game, but really it isn't the same game.

I have no doubt the new Battlefront game will end up like this as well.
I've played/purchased 2 copies of every single battlefield game (including a single copy of Bad Company for Xbox); I've even BEEN to redwood several times to test both PC and Xbox versions. There isn't a chance in hell I'd buy another Battlefield game unless DICE/EA go back to their old principles of making a solid game in the first place.

P.S. have BF3 players forgot about the "Back to Karkand" fiasco? They tried selling a incredibly popular map as a day-one DLC. If that didn't put up red flags for anyone............

Still having fun with BC2, still regret paying $10 for BF3.

It's a shame BC2 is so fun and yet it's designed for the console. I think this shows how off DICE was in their attempt to make a hybrid PC/console game. There was a reason the first Bad Company was console only, and that's mainly because due to the consolization applied it would have played like poo on the PC and most likely couldn't support a decent amount of players with the brand-new Frostbite engine.
 
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DeadFred

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Had a 25% off coupon, pre ordered BF3 with Karkand for $45. Later paid the $50 for premium. Have played the game nearly exclusively for almost 2 years (930+ hours) for $95. Sure Id prefer that the DLC was free, but Id say Ive got my moneys worth.
 

nurturedhate

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Complaining about bf3/bf4 having multiple dlc's? Glorifying the old days of BF2? Remember Special Forces? Euro Force? Armored Fury? Probably not. Been there, done that. Nothing has really changed. There have been map packs for $ since the dawn of time. Either you like it or you don't but this isn't some special situation.
 

Arkaign

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Complaining about bf3/bf4 having multiple dlc's? Glorifying the old days of BF2? Remember Special Forces? Euro Force? Armored Fury? Probably not. Been there, done that. Nothing has really changed. There have been map packs for $ since the dawn of time. Either you like it or you don't but this isn't some special situation.

This is pretty much true, even if you look at BF 1942 :D

However, some of us really miss the days of Quake, Quake 2, RTCW, etc, where the community made their own maps/expansions, and they were often super amazing. Hell I remember playing many many dozens of maps in Quake 2 alone, and tons of them were user/community made. This even bridged into the BF universe with 'Desert Combat' into BF:1942.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj4Hr1j1PV4

It was quite amazing really, it was a complete new game for BF2 for free :)

Of course, that kind of stuff is impossible today with how locked down things are. Those days are gone forever outside of more niche indie titles.
 

Zargon

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P.S. have BF3 players forgot about the "Back to Karkand" fiasco? They tried selling a incredibly popular map as a day-one DLC. If that didn't put up red flags for anyone............


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BTK was in December, game launched in October

they offered it free with most preorders of limited which was 10 bucks more than regular

or you could buy it later for 15


how is that a fiasco?
 

nurturedhate

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Completely agree and especially in regards to HL mods. The original CS beta's, Day of Defeat, Natual Selection, Team Fortress Classic. Though TFC did start as a Quake mod.
 

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Rofl, this series is a joke. Hell, they don't even have anything new gameplay wise.

ITS JUST BF3 WITH NEW MAPS PEOPLE.

I know but I owned bf3 on console. That was one of the best games I have ever played. I never got to play all the dlc for it because I switched to PC completely. Since I have never played a bf game on PC (excluding bf2) and all the new maps and new campaign I think this and premium will be worth my money. For me upgrading from XBOX BF3 the upgrades are like this (making it seem to me like a whole new game instead of a overpriced map pack). Instead of low graphics 30 fps and stuttering I will have almost highest graphics 60 fps. I will be using a mouse and keyboard instead of a control. Instead of 24 players and smaller emptier maps I have 64 players. New maps and campaign plus the 20 dlc maps, weapons and vehicles. Lots of other stuff too but they are smaller.
 

Rinaun

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BTK was in December, game launched in October
Which is clearly visible if you played the base game. BTK maps had way more polish than any other map. I think someone did a doodad count and showed that BTK has an insane amount of detail put into it compared to the limited maps. It's also just a rehash of older maps, but thats getting anal.
they offered it free with most preorders of limited which was 10 bucks more than regular or you could buy it later for 15

Or you know, they could of included it in the game. You are ignoring the fact that it was a blatant monetization of already planned content. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it or anything, I just don't like the shady way they did it with words like PREMIUM and other silly marketing attempts. Everyone knows it's their version of COD XP. I told myself I'd never support anything like that, so I'm not. If they want to sell map packs, etc, make them worthwhile and don't try to bundle 3 together. That just makes it sound like you are locking me into something because you know I won't enjoy what is to come.

how is that a fiasco?
Gamers didn't like it. Just because you are fine with it, and other eventually got over it doesn't mean it didn't leave a sour taste in some people's mouths. For me it showed that DICE is all about money and not making an enjoyable experience as they had once been. For example, I played BF1942 for MANY YEARS and not once did I feel that I was being left out of the game by not buying the expansion packs. That to me is a good experience. Add in other small things that helped sour it for me (no modding, browser based system, etc). I also feel like I dodged a bullet....looking at the expansions that get played in BF3 the most, it seems like I could of bought 1-2 individual expansions and benefitted more than buying the premium sillyness and having extra stuff I can't do anything with.

edit: forgot to mention rebuying copies of the same thing. Making so many versions means there is a higher chance of customers repurchasing either a similar product or a collection with some titles already owned by the customer. That's FREE money for EA. A lot of game companies do this so I don't want to single out EA, but I mean this premium stuff is a textbook example of it. When premium was on sale a while ago, I had multiple friends ask me if I needed another BF3 key.
 
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darkewaffle

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Or you know, they could of included it in the game. You are ignoring the fact that it was a blatant monetization of already planned content. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it or anything, I just don't like the shady way they did it with words like PREMIUM and other silly marketing attempts. Everyone knows it's their version of COD XP. I told myself I'd never support anything like that, so I'm not. If they want to sell map packs, etc, make them worthwhile and don't try to bundle 3 together. That just makes it sound like you are locking me into something because you know I won't enjoy what is to come.

Sure it's planned, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cost anything to create. If you really think that all these map packs/game modes/vehicles/weapons are something that they would be releasing for free 'normally' (or it's all 'ready now' and they're just staggering it) and some evil account simply said "Why not sell it?", I think that's naive. They can produce extra content because "we" as players have agreed to subsidize it.

Do they make money off of it? Sure, and could they sell it for a bit less? Probably, but that's the nature of business. If you're good at something, never do it for free.

Gamers didn't like it. Just because you are fine with it, and other eventually got over it doesn't mean it didn't leave a sour taste in some people's mouths.

I liked it plenty. Just because you are not fine with it, and "gamers" are still hung up on it doesn't mean it wasn't a good experience or value for many "other gamers".

For example, I played BF1942 for MANY YEARS and not once did I feel that I was being left out of the game by not buying the expansion packs. That to me is a good experience.

So the map packs... have too much content and thus you feel left out without them? Or maybe the 1942 expansions sucked, I have no idea. But if you feel left out it stands to reason that it's something you want... and isn't that what the whole point is?

I also feel like I dodged a bullet....looking at the expansions that get played in BF3 the most, it seems like I could of bought 1-2 individual expansions and benefitted more than buying the premium sillyness and having extra stuff I can't do anything with.

This, of course, varies person to person. I have played each of the DLC extensively with the exception of CQ. But that still means Premium was a better value for me. However it's up to you to make that determination; it's part of the reason that the packs are broken up and can be purchased individually.

At the same time, the vanilla game still has plenty of players and servers available. Hell Metro 24/7 is probably the most common server type there is. I played vanilla for a long time, probably until around Armored Shield. It's still a great game, there's just less of it.
 

Zargon

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Which is clearly visible if you played the base game. BTK maps had way more polish than any other map. I think someone did a doodad count and showed that BTK has an insane amount of detail put into it compared to the limited maps. It's also just a rehash of older maps, but thats getting anal.

so? you think because they plan DLC ahead of time it should be free? none of the 3 bf2 packs were free, they might have been planned ahead of time ya know



Or you know, they could of included it in the game. You are ignoring the fact that it was a blatant monetization of already planned content. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it or anything, I just don't like the shady way they did it with words like PREMIUM and other silly marketing attempts. Everyone knows it's their version of COD XP. I told myself I'd never support anything like that, so I'm not. If they want to sell map packs, etc, make them worthwhile and don't try to bundle 3 together. That just makes it sound like you are locking me into something because you know I won't enjoy what is to come.

whine whine whine cry cry cry is all I hear. bf expansions were NEVER FREE, EVER. period. I enjoy all the DLC, and still play maps off each, sadly the one I was most excited for was the most disappointing(looking at you armored kill)
and by going premium I saved money. saving money is a good thing.

Gamers didn't like it. Just because you are fine with it, and other eventually got over it doesn't mean it didn't leave a sour taste in some people's mouths. For me it showed that DICE is all about money and not making an enjoyable experience as they had once been. For example, I played BF1942 for MANY YEARS and not once did I feel that I was being left out of the game by not buying the expansion packs. That to me is a good experience. Add in other small things that helped sour it for me (no modding, browser based system, etc). I also feel like I dodged a bullet....looking at the expansions that get played in BF3 the most, it seems like I could of bought 1-2 individual expansions and benefitted more than buying the premium sillyness and having extra stuff I can't do anything with.

because alot of the tards on the internet are selfimportant cheapass bitches. they want all games to be 40 bucks and come with 2 years of free DLC and the servers can never be turned off ever. if they had their way all game companys would have filed for chapter 7 already and all we would have are the mostly shitty games all over steam greenlight and a few gems.


edit: forgot to mention rebuying copies of the same thing. Making so many versions means there is a higher chance of customers repurchasing either a similar product or a collection with some titles already owned by the customer. That's FREE money for EA. A lot of game companies do this so I don't want to single out EA, but I mean this premium stuff is a textbook example of it. When premium was on sale a while ago, I had multiple friends ask me if I needed another BF3 key.

and they bought it because....it was the cheapest way to get what they wanted? so putting the premium version on sale is a money grab that nets EA free money, by selling a product at a reduced price?

o_O

the other option is to never put it on sale EVER. you could buy premium a few times for less than buying one DLC at regular price, and you are calling that a bad thing. its mind boggling. even the DLC was half off for a little while
 

Rinaun

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Sure it's planned, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cost anything to create. If you really think that all these map packs/game modes/vehicles/weapons are something that they would be releasing for free 'normally' (or it's all 'ready now' and they're just staggering it) and some evil account simply said "Why not sell it?", I think that's naive.
I don't think it exactly happened like that, and it's a bit silly to even think that. What I do think happened, however, was either they had extra staff not being utilized halfway through development, or had planned this from the start and this was just another objective for the team to finish around release date. What it ended up causing was confusion and people paying extra for not having B2K.
They can produce extra content because "we" as players have agreed to subsidize it.
The same reason they keep making CoD games, right? I'm not sure where you are getting at on this point. That nice, people want it. People want more Sims expansions, so they keep making them. You forget to mention the diminishing sales once users get tired of this trend. This isn't even counting the fact that just because someone else supports it doesn't mean its successful. Three people out of the 40 people on my steam/origin friends list have bought the premium edition for BF3. More than 15 own bf3 "limited edition". Most of the 15 I mention pre-ordered bf3. All three BF3 premium players bought it on sale for 20$. That shows to me that either they didn't like the base game, or weren't willing to pay more for "ULTRA PREMIUM XP MODE".
I liked it plenty. Just because you are not fine with it, and "gamers" are still hung up on it doesn't mean it wasn't a good experience or value for many "other gamers".
Any game is a good value if you base it on hours spent playing. this game however is the first battlefield game where I felt I never got what I paid for. To each his own, though.
So the map packs... have too much content and thus you feel left out without them? Or maybe the 1942 expansions sucked, I have no idea. But if you feel left out it stands to reason that it's something you want... and isn't that what the whole point is?
I didn't feel left out because the best content was in the base game, and the expansions were just that. With the way they did premium, you'd be silly not to buy premium. Premium benefits overflow into the base game, too. That never happened in 1942 and it's expansion packs. They also came out at a MUCH slower pace, tons of new stuff and at a higher MSRP. for example, one expansion in 1942 (secret weapons) gave us jet packs. Nothing existed in-game like it. They also added in completely different flying vehicles and other goodies. I think one DLC for BF3 had a new game mode, and that so far has been the only thing that sounds interesting to me. That mode was the reason the three people on my friends list bought premium.

This, of course, varies person to person. I have played each of the DLC extensively with the exception of CQ. But that still means Premium was a better value for me. However it's up to you to make that determination; it's part of the reason that the packs are broken up and can be purchased individually.

At the same time, the vanilla game still has plenty of players and servers available. Hell Metro 24/7 is probably the most common server type there is. I played vanilla for a long time, probably until around Armored Shield. It's still a great game, there's just less of it.
Yea, metro is another good reason why BF3 basic edition is poo. Professional gamers told DICE during beta that metro needed improvement / was trash, and they never did listen. It needed way more movement options by the escalators. I also understand that each pack has its own value for each person, but once again, I'm not supporting that type of DLC scheme. If you want me to buy DLC, do something that isn't a month-long project for 5 map editors and oh hey lets throw in some new gun animations and a tank reskin with new sounds.
 
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Rinaun

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so? you think because they plan DLC ahead of time it should be free? none of the 3 bf2 packs were free, they might have been planned ahead of time ya know
They weren't free, and the funny part is they added way more content than the DLC for bf3 did. I've seen armored kill and close quarters personally. Both looked really terrible and fun for maybe 2 hours at most. I was actually tempted for a while on I think aftermath (the one with the new game mode) but I won't support the direction DICE is allowing EA to take the franchise.
whine whine whine cry cry cry is all I hear.

because alot of the tards on the internet are selfimportant cheapass bitches............. if they had their way all game companys would have filed for chapter 7 already and all we would have are the mostly shitty games all over steam greenlight and a few gems.
Thanks for that insightful wisdom.
the other option is to never put it on sale EVER. you could buy premium a few times for less than buying one DLC at regular price, and you are calling that a bad thing. its mind boggling. even the DLC was half off for a little while
or they could of just made one game, waited, and not planned out the DLC like some kind of money roadmap.
There's also other reasons I'm not buying the DLC. The price isn't an issue for me, its the principle of what they've turned a good game into. I wish you the best enjoyment in battlecallduty 4000.
 

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No this is not how games have always been. A game was released, a few years later, another game was released. They would call it #2, but it would be a completely new type of game based off the first.

Now games don't even do that, they shroud "DLC" as expansions, when they used to be patch notes with a extra map added.

They don't even try anymore, its really sad. Is it any wonder indie games have taken off, people are sick of this crap games do.
 

Zargon

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They weren't free, and the funny part is they added way more content than the DLC for bf3 did. I've seen armored kill and close quarters personally. Both looked really terrible and fun for maybe 2 hours at most. I was actually tempted for a while on I think aftermath (the one with the new game mode) but I won't support the direction DICE is allowing EA to take the franchise.
how much more content? maps? weapons? vehicles? game modes? oh yeah, all those are in most of the bf3 DLC


or they could of just made one game, waited, and not planned out the DLC like some kind of money roadmap.
There's also other reasons I'm not buying the DLC. The price isn't an issue for me, its the principle of what they've turned a good game into.


sure, but NO ONE does that anymore

thats the industry now. no mods, paid DLC coming every few months. they could not do it, and we would never see another Battlefield after the one they do that with, because people will leave the series for something with new content

thats just how it is

Id rather have the way things were 10 years ago, but its never going to happen. video games are too mainstream now


I wish you the best enjoyment in battlecallduty 4000.

Thanks for that insightful wisdom. :)

they are only remotely the same thing from the 10,000 ft view. IE both are Modern Military Centric FPS


No this is not how games have always been. A game was released, a few years later, another game was released. They would call it #2, but it would be a completely new type of game based off the first.

Now games don't even do that, they shroud "DLC" as expansions, when they used to be patch notes with a extra map added.

They don't even try anymore, its really sad. Is it any wonder indie games have taken off, people are sick of this crap games do.

correct, but this trend started years ago, its not new at all. minus you ignoring the DLC shrouded as 'expansions'. when it comes to MP games, expansions and DLC are the same thing, maps, vehicles, guns, camo etc
 
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