BF1942: ATOT server, who wants to help pay for bandwidth?

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: MangoTBG
Screw BF1942.

Let's get a CoD server. I'd help pay for that.

Is CoD that good?

BTW, WTH is that PIC in your sig?

I believe it was oldfart who drew it when the Forcewear drivers were being passsed around and tested before they were certified and released to the public. 51.75 had issues with rendering fog and shadows and various other things (they were beta)... hence the joke about reduced image quality to gain FPS

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: screw3d

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Would you mind asking your brother which company he is using and more details about that $5/mo offer?
Thanks

Quake 3 Server rented out of San Francisco, CA. Rent is$25.00 a month from this place;
Escaped Turkey

He is able to host 24 players and says that they have other games available as well.

Personall I think 24 players is kinda too little for a game like BF1942.. but that's just IMO of course.

To have more than 24 players(which requires 1.5mbps upload), you have to have some fat pipes which is expensive, not as much if you go through the game server rental thingy, but it still quite a bit of money every month. A 64 player server is ALOT of money.

But a lot of fun playing with that many people

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Staley8
OK, maybe I'm an idiot here, but why couldn't somebody with a cable modem just setup his machine to run as a server? You wouldn't have to pay anything extra for bandwidth. Would the machine not keep up? Would it be laggy? I don't know much about hosting/serving games, I just bring up BF1942 or DC find a low ping game with an opening allowing 32 players and just start whooping up (or getting whooped on).

BF1942 isnt like Quake3 or UT.

It requires huge amounts of bandwidth, 70kbps on avg per player, but it can range from 50-80kbps. As opposed to Q3 which I believe only requires around 30Kbps per player.

Most cable modems are locked at low upload speeds. A BF1942 server for 24 players requires atleast a 1.5mbps SDSL connection(around $275 monthly for a 1.5mbps SDSL connection) or a T1($500-$1000 a month). 32 player dual T1/fractional T3($1500-3000 a month), and 64 players a fractional T3(5mbps)($3000+ a month).

There's no way that pricing is correct. I checked on prices for renting a gaming server, and a 48 person BF42 server was only around $300/month. There's no way its costing the host 3 grand a month for that bandwidth.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: screw3d

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Would you mind asking your brother which company he is using and more details about that $5/mo offer?
Thanks

Quake 3 Server rented out of San Francisco, CA. Rent is$25.00 a month from this place;
Escaped Turkey

He is able to host 24 players and says that they have other games available as well.

Personall I think 24 players is kinda too little for a game like BF1942.. but that's just IMO of course.

To have more than 24 players(which requires 1.5mbps upload), you have to have some fat pipes which is expensive, not as much if you go through the game server rental thingy, but it still quite a bit of money every month. A 64 player server is ALOT of money.

But a lot of fun playing with that many people

Its about $300 a month for a 32 player BF1942 server, if you "rent" it from a company that offers dedicated game server hosting, although I dont know what the actual uptime for the server would be.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: screw3d

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Would you mind asking your brother which company he is using and more details about that $5/mo offer?
Thanks

Quake 3 Server rented out of San Francisco, CA. Rent is$25.00 a month from this place;
Escaped Turkey

He is able to host 24 players and says that they have other games available as well.

Personall I think 24 players is kinda too little for a game like BF1942.. but that's just IMO of course.

To have more than 24 players(which requires 1.5mbps upload), you have to have some fat pipes which is expensive, not as much if you go through the game server rental thingy, but it still quite a bit of money every month. A 64 player server is ALOT of money.

But a lot of fun playing with that many people

Its about $300 a month for a 32 player BF1942 server, if you "rent" it from a company that offers dedicated game server hosting, although I dont know what the actual uptime for the server would be.

If I was paying $300 a month for it I'd expect it to be up constantly... wouldn't you?

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Staley8
OK, maybe I'm an idiot here, but why couldn't somebody with a cable modem just setup his machine to run as a server? You wouldn't have to pay anything extra for bandwidth. Would the machine not keep up? Would it be laggy? I don't know much about hosting/serving games, I just bring up BF1942 or DC find a low ping game with an opening allowing 32 players and just start whooping up (or getting whooped on).

BF1942 isnt like Quake3 or UT.

It requires huge amounts of bandwidth, 70kbps on avg per player, but it can range from 50-80kbps. As opposed to Q3 which I believe only requires around 30Kbps per player.

Most cable modems are locked at low upload speeds. A BF1942 server for 24 players requires atleast a 1.5mbps SDSL connection(around $275 monthly for a 1.5mbps SDSL connection) or a T1($500-$1000 a month). 32 player dual T1/fractional T3($1500-3000 a month), and 64 players a fractional T3(5mbps)($3000+ a month).

There's no way that pricing is correct. I checked on prices for renting a gaming server, and a 48 person BF42 server was only around $300/month. There's no way its costing the host 3 grand a month for that bandwidth.

If you were using the required bandwidth for a 32, and 64 player server, 24/7 yes it would.

I said if you wanted to host it yourself. Yes 5Mbps upload(64 player BF1942) does cost over $3000 a month, if you are running it yourself. These game host companies arent giving you the full bandwidth you need all the time. Which is why you are paying a fraction of the cost. Most places have 32 players for around $300/month. You dont need a dual T1 or a fractional T3 to host 32 players, if you have a CO that offers 2.3Mbps SDSL($500 a month). A 64 player server does indeed need to be run off a fractional T3, for 5mbps upload, its about $5000 a month in most places. Thats why going with a game server host is the best option, it will be a fraction of the cost but it will still be expensive.

Lets be realistic here. A 64 player server funded by people on here is doubtful. A 32 player server would probably be doable, but will cost between $250-300 a month.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: screw3d

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Would you mind asking your brother which company he is using and more details about that $5/mo offer?
Thanks

Quake 3 Server rented out of San Francisco, CA. Rent is$25.00 a month from this place;
Escaped Turkey

He is able to host 24 players and says that they have other games available as well.

Personall I think 24 players is kinda too little for a game like BF1942.. but that's just IMO of course.

To have more than 24 players(which requires 1.5mbps upload), you have to have some fat pipes which is expensive, not as much if you go through the game server rental thingy, but it still quite a bit of money every month. A 64 player server is ALOT of money.

But a lot of fun playing with that many people

Its about $300 a month for a 32 player BF1942 server, if you "rent" it from a company that offers dedicated game server hosting, although I dont know what the actual uptime for the server would be.

If I was paying $300 a month for it I'd expect it to be up constantly... wouldn't you?

Oh sure it would be up constantly but you wont be getting all the bandwidth you need for a 32 player server 24/7, the company would go bankrupt in not time flat. Bandwidth is expensive. Granted I doubt an ATOT BF1942 server would be full all hours of the day.

 

[Jeff7181]

Maybe a better idea would be to find the largest concentration of ATOTers and have a LAN party right smack in the middle of them

 

[digitalsm]

This is what bandwidth costs in the real world.

ADSL 1.5 to 8.2 Mbps downstream. 64-1 Mbps upstream. Consumer type starts about $40-$80/month. Business type starts at $120/month.

SDSL 1.544/2.048 Mbps upstream and downstream. Starts at about $100-$300/month for the full 1.5 Mbps SDSL service

Frame Relay 56 Kbps-1.544 Mbps Starts at about $500/month depending on bandwidth required.

Fractional
T-1 128 Kbps to 1.544 Mbps Starts at about $300/month. Depends on bandwidth required.

T-1 1.544 Mbps About $500-1,000/month, + about $300/month local loop, + set up costs.

E-1 (Europe) 2.048 Mbps Starts at about $2,000/month and up.

Fractional
T-3 3 Mbps to 44.736 Mbps Starts at about $3,000 - $5,000/month for 3 Mbps.

T-3
(or DS3) 44.736 Mbps Up to $10,000 to $20,000/month + about $4,000/month local loop + set up costs.

E-3
(Europe) 34.368 Mbps Up to $20,000/month for full capacity, plus several thousands of dollars for set up costs.

OC-3 155.52 Mbps Up to $30,000 - $50,000/month + approx. $10,000/month local loop + several thousand dollars set up costs.

OC-12 622.08 Mbps Starts at about several hundred thousands/month plus several thousands of dollars in set up costs.

OC-48 2.488 Gbps Starts at about several hundred thousands of dollars/month plus several thousands of dollars in set up costs.

Most MMOGs(all the servers for the game) run off of a couple OC-3s

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Staley8
OK, maybe I'm an idiot here, but why couldn't somebody with a cable modem just setup his machine to run as a server? You wouldn't have to pay anything extra for bandwidth. Would the machine not keep up? Would it be laggy? I don't know much about hosting/serving games, I just bring up BF1942 or DC find a low ping game with an opening allowing 32 players and just start whooping up (or getting whooped on).

BF1942 isnt like Quake3 or UT.

It requires huge amounts of bandwidth, 70kbps on avg per player, but it can range from 50-80kbps. As opposed to Q3 which I believe only requires around 30Kbps per player.

Most cable modems are locked at low upload speeds. A BF1942 server for 24 players requires atleast a 1.5mbps SDSL connection(around $275 monthly for a 1.5mbps SDSL connection) or a T1($500-$1000 a month). 32 player dual T1/fractional T3($1500-3000 a month), and 64 players a fractional T3(5mbps)($3000+ a month).

Thank you for the great explanation. I just assumed you could run it similar to Quake and that sort of game. The last game I hosted was Quake1 on a fractional T1 (through college ), although most people who played were at the college itself. My computer (a 233Mhz AMD at the time) handled it fine. Things apparently have changed since then. I find it hard to imagine that there are enough people that actually want to spend money on this but hopefully if we get enough people to chip in it won't be so expensive per person.

On another note, can't everyone here just meet up on a clan website of some sort and post which server you are on and others can join you? I mean why don't we just "borrow" someone else's server/bandwidth for the night?

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Staley8
OK, maybe I'm an idiot here, but why couldn't somebody with a cable modem just setup his machine to run as a server? You wouldn't have to pay anything extra for bandwidth. Would the machine not keep up? Would it be laggy? I don't know much about hosting/serving games, I just bring up BF1942 or DC find a low ping game with an opening allowing 32 players and just start whooping up (or getting whooped on).

BF1942 isnt like Quake3 or UT.

It requires huge amounts of bandwidth, 70kbps on avg per player, but it can range from 50-80kbps. As opposed to Q3 which I believe only requires around 30Kbps per player.

Most cable modems are locked at low upload speeds. A BF1942 server for 24 players requires atleast a 1.5mbps SDSL connection(around $275 monthly for a 1.5mbps SDSL connection) or a T1($500-$1000 a month). 32 player dual T1/fractional T3($1500-3000 a month), and 64 players a fractional T3(5mbps)($3000+ a month).

Thank you for the great explanation. I just assumed you could run it similar to Quake and that sort of game. The last game I hosted was Quake1 on a fractional T1 (through college ), although most people who played were at the college itself. My computer (a 233Mhz AMD at the time) handled it fine. Things apparently have changed since then. I find it hard to imagine that there are enough people that actually want to spend money on this but hopefully if we get enough people to chip in it won't be so expensive per person.

On another note, can't everyone here just meet up on a clan website of some sort and post which server you are on and others can join you? I mean why don't we just "borrow" someone else's server/bandwidth for the night?

You can borrow mine any time you want, anyone from here is more then welcome to play. I have found that ppl from here are good ppl and do not cause any problems. ( had an incident but thru some work, I have found out who it was and they are banned-no one from here). My server costs $90 a month for 16 ppl and $5 more person after that from sfxgames. I ran a server prior to that from my house on a cable connection 2 mgs up 128 down on an amd 1500 oc'ed to 1800 756 megs ram 80 gig 8 meg cache hardrive win xp pro. The bottleneck was the cable, I could have no more then 8 ppl or the lag got so bad ppl would be disconnected. I now can dsl and am looking into that. BF 1942 is so bandwidth hungry from the ships planes jeeps apc's. Also the the bigger the maps the more bandwidth ( more area more vehicles). Quake 3 was played on small maps- no vehicles.