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You're talking rationally. MS is talking money. They have modeled that a dedicated NPU will be more efficient for CoPilot always on. It's not a "high performance" situation.
 
LightningZ71 said:
MS is pushing a subscription sales model. They wanted an always on AI component in Windows that you were willing to pay for. If it drained your battery rapidly or worked like dog excrement, no one would buy it. The NPU helps with both.
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Not sure what you mean by always on AI component. Always on as in always available, yes. Always on as in only for always on AI functionality, no, since it'll be used for more that always on AI functionality.

W.r.t. NPU vs (i)GPU to provide necessary TOPS, does it matter as long as the TOPS are provided? If the NPU can provide the necessary TOPS using better TOPS/W and lower cost, I guess NPU is better option than (i)GPU.
 
LightningZ71 said:
MS is pushing a subscription sales model. They wanted an always on AI component in Windows that you were willing to pay for. If it drained your battery rapidly or worked like dog excrement, no one would buy it. The NPU helps with both.
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IMHO the vast majority aren't going to buy based on AI regardless of performance.

All these companies are desperately trying to push it to justify the hardware build out and running costs, but the returns are never going to match that spending.
 
Oh, I don't dispute either of your points. The NPU was supposed to provide the most efficient implementation then possible for accomplishing the needed tasks without blowing the budget and nuking battery life. They were trying to FORCE the market instead of MEETING the market and the result if a very unwanted copilot in windows 11.
 
By zen 8 I fully suspect Quantum processing and AI to merge into a co-processor so we can make endless jokes about how itsso fast that not only did zen 8 kill the quantum cat in the box but it ate the AI. It will literally be so fast that when you decide to game it will already played it for you. Whoa, zen 8 might just end gaming.
 
Well if zen7 is also AM5, then I don't have to pay too much interest in Zen6, as I then will first do an upgrade when zen8 is launched. 😛
 
biostud said:
Well if zen7 is also AM5, then I don't have to pay too much interest in Zen6, as I then will first do an upgrade when zen8 is launched. 😛
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It's the opposite for me as long as Zen7 is 32 core on the desktop.

That would mean a minimum 33% MT gain from Zen6 (assuming 24C SKU DT) even before IPC or clock frequency gains - which is a pretty decent gain for a single generation when you don't have to pay for a new mobo or RAM on top of the CPU.
 
soresu said:
It's the opposite for me as long as Zen7 is 32 core on the desktop.

That would mean a minimum 33% MT gain from Zen6 (assuming 24C SKU DT) even before IPC or clock frequency gains - which is a pretty decent gain for a single generation when you don't have to pay for a new mobo or RAM on top of the CPU.
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good plan.

I'm just waiting for the 12 core single CCD X3D Zen 6 chip. If we see a 16 core Single CCD chip in Zen 7 that would be nice also. I don't need that many cores for my workloads.
 
itsmydamnation said:
getting zen6 x3d for me will depend on what GPU's look like. 7800X3D with a 7900XTX , i dont see the point of upgrading CPU that has ~ 40% more performance as 7900XTX will just be a massive bottleneck.
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I'm on a XTX also the plan is to go RDNA 5 later that year.
 
itsmydamnation said:
getting zen6 x3d for me will depend on what GPU's look like. 7800X3D with a 7900XTX , i dont see the point of upgrading CPU that has ~ 40% more performance as 7900XTX will just be a massive bottleneck.
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Just play at 1080p. You’ll see more gainz with Zen 6 X3D then. Problem solved. 😉
 
soresu said:
I wanna go X3D but I'm more than a little conscious of the problems the Zen5 X3D SKUs had.
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Stay away from Asrock motherboards.

Make sure the bios is up to date you should be fine.

I'm not worried about it at all on my asus motherboard.

marees said:
holiday 2028 as per windows central

www.purexbox.com

Rumour: New Xbox Console Won't Release Until At Least Late 2027, Could Be Delayed Further

"I'm not sure if Microsoft is still committed to the late 2027 timeline"
www.purexbox.com www.purexbox.com
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This story is mostly about consoles are we sure that will affect DGPU's?
 
Makaveli said:
i'm not on a 800 series motherboard.

As I said not worried at all.
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Yeah. ASRock isn't alone. Asus also had press releases and incidents due to BIOS versions with incorrect behavior twice now, around 7800X3D launch for 600 series board and recently for 800 series boards.
 
gdansk said:
Yeah. ASRock isn't alone. Asus also had press releases and incidents due to BIOS versions with incorrect behavior twice now, around 7800X3D launch for 600 series board and now for 800 series boards.
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i'm not running a 7800X3D on my board.

VSOC manually capped at 1.2v since day 1

I trust my build been doing this for a long ass time.
 
Makaveli said:
i'm not running a 7800X3D on my board.

VSOC manually capped at 1.2v since day 1

I trust my build been doing this for a long ass time.
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Yeah, that's great. But Asus is questionable advice for a new X3D buyer when they are looking into reported problems right now.
 
gdansk said:
Yeah, that's great. But Asus is questionable advice for a new X3D buyer when they are looking into reported problems right now.
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yes but I never said buy asus I said don't buy asrock.

And only pointed out I was using an asus board 🙂
 
Makaveli said:
yes but I never said buy asus I said don't buy asrock.

And only pointed out I was using an asus board 🙂
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Eh, it read like an endorsement. If a person is cautious because X3D might get zapped by a board there are more to avoid than ASRock. Avoid Asus too. Especially since my board hasn't had a BIOS update since Asus put out that press release.
 
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