better tuck your shirt in at Dalton school!

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
I bet the kid called the cop a pig or somthing.... and then unleashed the army of the orbs

so? thats not justification for doing what he did.

did i say it was justification?

 

[nageov3t]

Dalton is a super prestigious Manhattan prep school.
Dolton is a small town in Illinois.

 

[DangerAardvark]

The cop is twice the size of that kid. What a winner. After this incident he probably went home with a case of Miller Light to beat his wife.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: rivan
And kids who are "mentally challenged" are worse. Their behavior is fucking pathetic, because "OMG they're not capable of understanding, I can't punish them for that!", so they rarely get physical punishment. Seriously? The world is NOT going to bend to retarded people. If we are going to permit them life, where often they require a lot of assistance from others, they need to learn the world is equal opportunity. Equal opportunity in every way, including punishment. I've seen too many times a retarded kid get away with things that no one ought to get away with, and it's only because they "aren't capable of understanding". You best believe they're capable of learning, just the same as a 2 or 3 year old is capable of learning. They may have less control if they have less of of a developed conscious mind that helps the normal individual to weigh risks versus rewards, all depending on how mentally retarded they are. Think of a dog even - they don't have the capability of understanding language, but they'll sure as hell learn tone and eventually what actions will net them what reward or punishment, and adjust behavior accordingly.
Behavior modification is something that must be adjusted based on the learning capability of an individual. If stern words and time outs don't work, you gotta do something else within your means. I personally think an beatdown for an untucked shirt in the hall, in which case the child wears without permission, is a very creative idea for behavior modification. It probably worked wonders too. The child absolutely dreaded the end result of his actions, and that most likely taught him that wearing his shirt untucked was not a fond experience and won't want to repeat said actions.

LOL this is gold! Do you perchance know any mentally challenged kids? Growing up we had one up the street who would poop her diaper and shove a hand down it and eat it. She did this on a daily basis. She was 8 or so. I'm sure she would understand punishment right? What the fuck good is physical punishment on a person who can't function on their own? Do you think a 13 year old who needs help being fed is going to have the brain power to compute the difference between cause and effect when being spanked? A lot of these special needs kids will NEVER develop an understanding between risk versus reward. This is why some have to be constantly monitored because some will do shit like touch a hot stove and if you aren't around touch it again, and again and again and again.

Punishment is fine for people with normal IQ's, I support bringing back paddling in school, but I in no way support physical action against mentally challenged kids, that's the worst idea ever. Your dog analogy is bad, because I have owned dogs who were incapable of learning. I sent one to obedience school and they couldn't even help. Kids and animals both can be beyond teaching.

 

[ahenkel]

That kid is gonna get paaaaiiiiiiiid. Yo

 

[marvdmartian]

While I agree that some forms of corporal punishment could be well utilized in schools today, to keep kids in line, I also believe that that punishment should be meted out by the administrators of the school (i.e. vice principal and principal), not the teachers. And the cops should only be using force to prevent violence, imho.

From what I saw on the video, this kid did nothing to provoke the explosive reaction of the cop. What that cop did was pure and simple over-reaction, and in my mind, he assaulted that kid.

Crime performed while wearing a badge is still crime. I hope that cop has a really good lawyer, because it wouldn't surprise me if he's named in a civil lawsuit, the way this country runs today.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: rivan
And kids who are "mentally challenged" are worse. Their behavior is fucking pathetic, because "OMG they're not capable of understanding, I can't punish them for that!", so they rarely get physical punishment. Seriously? The world is NOT going to bend to retarded people. If we are going to permit them life, where often they require a lot of assistance from others, they need to learn the world is equal opportunity. Equal opportunity in every way, including punishment. I've seen too many times a retarded kid get away with things that no one ought to get away with, and it's only because they "aren't capable of understanding". You best believe they're capable of learning, just the same as a 2 or 3 year old is capable of learning. They may have less control if they have less of of a developed conscious mind that helps the normal individual to weigh risks versus rewards, all depending on how mentally retarded they are. Think of a dog even - they don't have the capability of understanding language, but they'll sure as hell learn tone and eventually what actions will net them what reward or punishment, and adjust behavior accordingly.
Behavior modification is something that must be adjusted based on the learning capability of an individual. If stern words and time outs don't work, you gotta do something else within your means. I personally think an beatdown for an untucked shirt in the hall, in which case the child wears without permission, is a very creative idea for behavior modification. It probably worked wonders too. The child absolutely dreaded the end result of his actions, and that most likely taught him that wearing his shirt untucked was not a fond experience and won't want to repeat said actions.

LOL this is gold! Do you perchance know any mentally challenged kids? Growing up we had one up the street who would poop her diaper and shove a hand down it and eat it. She did this on a daily basis. She was 8 or so. I'm sure she would understand punishment right? What the fuck good is physical punishment on a person who can't function on their own? Do you think a 13 year old who needs help being fed is going to have the brain power to compute the difference between cause and effect when being spanked? A lot of these special needs kids will NEVER develop an understanding between risk versus reward. This is why some have to be constantly monitored because some will do shit like touch a hot stove and if you aren't around touch it again, and again and again and again.

Punishment is fine for people with normal IQ's, I support bringing back paddling in school, but I in no way support physical action against mentally challenged kids, that's the worst idea ever. Your dog analogy is bad, because I have owned dogs who were incapable of learning. I sent one to obedience school and they couldn't even help. Kids and animals both can be beyond teaching.

Physical punishment is generally not at all necessary for individuals with intellectual disabilities. There are many, many other ways to increase positive, and decrease negative, behaviors.

Also, I enjoy the phrase, "permit them life," as if it were somehow our choice to make.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: rivan
And kids who are "mentally challenged" are worse. Their behavior is fucking pathetic, because "OMG they're not capable of understanding, I can't punish them for that!", so they rarely get physical punishment. Seriously? The world is NOT going to bend to retarded people. If we are going to permit them life, where often they require a lot of assistance from others, they need to learn the world is equal opportunity. Equal opportunity in every way, including punishment. I've seen too many times a retarded kid get away with things that no one ought to get away with, and it's only because they "aren't capable of understanding". You best believe they're capable of learning, just the same as a 2 or 3 year old is capable of learning. They may have less control if they have less of of a developed conscious mind that helps the normal individual to weigh risks versus rewards, all depending on how mentally retarded they are. Think of a dog even - they don't have the capability of understanding language, but they'll sure as hell learn tone and eventually what actions will net them what reward or punishment, and adjust behavior accordingly.
Behavior modification is something that must be adjusted based on the learning capability of an individual. If stern words and time outs don't work, you gotta do something else within your means. I personally think an beatdown for an untucked shirt in the hall, in which case the child wears without permission, is a very creative idea for behavior modification. It probably worked wonders too. The child absolutely dreaded the end result of his actions, and that most likely taught him that wearing his shirt untucked was not a fond experience and won't want to repeat said actions.

LOL this is gold! Do you perchance know any mentally challenged kids? Growing up we had one up the street who would poop her diaper and shove a hand down it and eat it. She did this on a daily basis. She was 8 or so. I'm sure she would understand punishment right? What the fuck good is physical punishment on a person who can't function on their own? Do you think a 13 year old who needs help being fed is going to have the brain power to compute the difference between cause and effect when being spanked? A lot of these special needs kids will NEVER develop an understanding between risk versus reward. This is why some have to be constantly monitored because some will do shit like touch a hot stove and if you aren't around touch it again, and again and again and again.

Punishment is fine for people with normal IQ's, I support bringing back paddling in school, but I in no way support physical action against mentally challenged kids, that's the worst idea ever. Your dog analogy is bad, because I have owned dogs who were incapable of learning. I sent one to obedience school and they couldn't even help. Kids and animals both can be beyond teaching.

Physical punishment is generally not at all necessary for individuals with intellectual disabilities. There are many, many other ways to increase positive, and decrease negative, behaviors.

Also, I enjoy the phrase, "permit them life," as if it were somehow our choice to make.

Full disclosure: that's actually destrekor's post from another thread about a teacher spiking her soda with hot sauce to "teach" her special needs kids not to "steal" her soda, posted here marginally edited for this one. </parody for effect>

 

[shoRunner]

another cop showing that the police profession is the number one choice of complete douche bags.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: rivan
jesus christ schools and courts are full of liberal pussies these days.

i fear what schools are going to look like in 10 or 20 years. I fear what the kids are going to be like after going through those schools. Kids these days are already bad enough.

Bring back paddles! Am I the only one who wish paddles were still around in school when I was a kid? I am fully capable of realizing some of the stupid shit that happened could have been prevented had I known a paddle was going to find its way onto my ass, and once would have likely been enough.

So paddles aren't allowed. Teachers should still have some way of dealing with unruly children, in ways that aren't just "okay, now go to the principal's office! you'll get a stern talking to, and your parents will be called", because kids are DAMN good at manipulating parents through words to bring the parents into understanding their "side", and thus punishment by parents is avoided.
I know, because I've done it. Didn't always get away with things, my parents weren't pushovers, but I was good with words. And parents, having not witnessed whatever event the child has been reported over, won't always side with a teacher who is responsible for watching 20 kids and might not have seen everything.

And kids who are "mentally challenged" are worse. Their behavior is fucking pathetic, because "OMG they're not capable of understanding, I can't punish them for that!", so they rarely get physical punishment. Seriously? The world is NOT going to bend to retarded people. If we are going to permit them life, where often they require a lot of assistance from others, they need to learn the world is equal opportunity. Equal opportunity in every way, including punishment. I've seen too many times a retarded kid get away with things that no one ought to get away with, and it's only because they "aren't capable of understanding". You best believe they're capable of learning, just the same as a 2 or 3 year old is capable of learning. They may have less control if they have less of of a developed conscious mind that helps the normal individual to weigh risks versus rewards, all depending on how mentally retarded they are. Think of a dog even - they don't have the capability of understanding language, but they'll sure as hell learn tone and eventually what actions will net them what reward or punishment, and adjust behavior accordingly.
Behavior modification is something that must be adjusted based on the learning capability of an individual. If stern words and time outs don't work, you gotta do something else within your means. I personally think an beatdown for an untucked shirt in the hall, in which case the child wears without permission, is a very creative idea for behavior modification. It probably worked wonders too. The child absolutely dreaded the end result of his actions, and that most likely taught him that wearing his shirt untucked was not a fond experience and won't want to repeat said actions.

we had paddles in my elementary school. Sure kept most of us in check ill tell you that. And im not THAT old. Only 36

You and I are not this current generation. I'm the same age and remember getting paddled in middle school for doing something I deserved to be paddled for.

 

[alkemyst]

kids are out of control today...they are killing each other left and right as they know there are no repercussions.

"oh he is just a confused kid, let's give him another chance"

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Should have tazed him in his butt to really teach him a lesson.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

we had paddles in my elementary school. Sure kept most of us in check ill tell you that. And im not THAT old. Only 36

You and I are not this current generation. I'm the same age and remember getting paddled in middle school for doing something I deserved to be paddled for.

I'm 10 years younger, and I got paddled in middle school for having a "staple war." Definitely deserved it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
Should have tazed him in his butt to really teach him a lesson.

[Chris Hansen]Please take a number sir and sit over there[/Chris Hansen]

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Oof. I would love to represent that family. The lawyer must have jumped for joy when he saw that tape. The use of force was totally unjustified and the school had better have insurance for the actions of that moronic rent-a-cop or it may cease to exist altogether.

 

[waggy]

UPDATE: trib link

A Dolton cop caught on camera allegedly breaking a 15-year-old special needs student's nose for failing to tuck in his shirt has a troubling history that includes killing a man in a case of disputed self-defense and is now in an Indiana jail on an unrelated rape charge.

Christopher Lloyd, 38, was identified Thursday by his father Charles Lloyd and Dolton Mayor Ronnie Lewis as the officer who in May was recorded by a school security camera scuffling with 15-year-old, 140-pound Marshawn Pitts at the Academy for Learning in Dolton.




whoa..seems like that cop has issues.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: mugs
Well as long as he learned to tuck his shirt in it's ok, right?

Hey, why is your username 'mugs' and not 'Amused'

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
kids are out of control today...they are killing each other left and right as they know there are no repercussions.

"oh he is just a confused kid, let's give him another chance"

Yup, the cop is a stand up guy.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: alkemyst
kids are out of control today...they are killing each other left and right as they know there are no repercussions.

"oh he is just a confused kid, let's give him another chance"

Yup, the cop is a stand up guy.

eyah a stand up guy.. is in jail for rape and beats teh shit out of a kid for not having his shirt tucked in.

 

[Oceandevi]

The cop is a murderer. shot a guy 24 times in self defense.... and is in jail for rape. Yeah.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: waggy
A Dolton cop caught on camera allegedly breaking a 15-year-old special needs student's nose for failing to tuck in his shirt has a troubling history that includes killing a man in a case of disputed self-defense and is now in an Indiana jail on an unrelated rape charge.

Christopher Lloyd, 38, was identified Thursday by his father Charles Lloyd and Dolton Mayor Ronnie Lewis as the officer who in May was recorded by a school security camera scuffling with 15-year-old, 140-pound Marshawn Pitts at the Academy for Learning in Dolton.

Great scott!

 

[Slimline]

Holy shit batman he did not perform any sort of take down, he flexed his manhood and he-manned the kid across the hall. He was definitely out of line imo, no matter what was said. A take down may have been in order, but not that kind of shove.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: waggy
A Dolton cop caught on camera allegedly breaking a 15-year-old special needs student's nose for failing to tuck in his shirt has a troubling history that includes killing a man in a case of disputed self-defense and is now in an Indiana jail on an unrelated rape charge.

Christopher Lloyd, 38, was identified Thursday by his father Charles Lloyd and Dolton Mayor Ronnie Lewis as the officer who in May was recorded by a school security camera scuffling with 15-year-old, 140-pound Marshawn Pitts at the Academy for Learning in Dolton.

Great scott!

Great Ceasar's ghost! :shocked:

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
kids are out of control today...they are killing each other left and right as they know there are no repercussions.

"oh he is just a confused kid, let's give him another chance"

youth violence is down dramatically last i heard

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
The cop is a murderer. shot a guy 24 times in self defense.... and is in jail for rape. Yeah.

holy crap