Better Overclocking 512mb ddr ram ?? Mushkin , Crucial or Corsair ?

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Who has the better OC'ing High Performance DDR ram ?
Corsair , Mushkin or Crucial ............ in the 1x512mb configuration .

Anyone know of a site that has a review of the "three" brands together ? I have yet to find one review like this .
 
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thermite88

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Mushkin has three grades of DDR, Basic, Special and High Performance. The Crucial has only one grade and the performance seems to vary more.

I have the Mushkin Special (2-3-3) have has no problem overclocking to 151 MHz memory bus at 2-2-2. I also have the non-parity Crucial. I tried 4 sticks of Crucial. The best Crucial can do is 147 at 2-2-2. Both Mushkin and Crucial can run at 151 MHz memory bus at 2.5-3-3.

(151 seems to be the limit of my current MB. I just ordered a new MB which supposed to be even more OC friendly.)
 
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BadThad

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I'm going to find out, I just ordered some Corsair XMS2700 333 MHz 2-2-2 ram...supposed to be the best according to what I've been reading.
 
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badthad, did you get your stick yet? im looking to buy a stick of ram right now, and am trying to decide between crucial, mushkin, or some other brand. is mushkin basic only a 4-layer pcb? whats the major difference (if any) between the basic and the more expensive sticks?
 
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My understanding is that PC2400 is essentially overclocked PC2100 and that PC2700 is quite different from PC2400.
So is this actually true?
 
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<< My understanding is that PC2400 is essentially overclocked PC2100 and that PC2700 is quite different from PC2400.
So is this actually true? >>


Nope. The PC2400 & PC2700 is a higher yield chip...not an O/C one.
 
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pc2400 is overclocked chips the same as their version of pc2700

kingmax is the only pc2700 that uses real chips rated for it
 
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<< My understanding is that PC2400 is essentially overclocked PC2100 and that PC2700 is quite different from PC2400. So is this actually true? >>



AFAIK it varies depending on who makes the RAM and who is selling it. For example, OCZ used to take PC2100 sticks, test them, and pass off the better performing units as PC2700. Pretty shady. I don't know if they are still doing that but I would guess so. Kingmax, OTOH, offers true PC2700 RAM (with 5ns chips) but you need to be careful because some less scrupulous vendors will send you overclocked 7ns chips.
 
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bunnyfubbles

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Um, badthad, I am pretty sure Corsair is not currently shipping a 512MB PC2700 model just yet. They do have PC2700 in the 256MB flavor... The fastest 512MB module goes to Mushkin, hands down, for they are the only ones currently offering a 512MB module classified to run at PC2700 speeds. That module is rated 2.5, 3, 3 and is 6-layer PCB using 6ns chips, so I am assuming there is headroom to run the module at overclocked/agressive speeds. One interesting note is that it says "engineering samples" in its list of specs, however it is in stock and being sold for $211...

Otherwise the fastest DDR 512MB module I would give to Corsair for their PC2400 512MB module. Crucial has lost their nack, it seems. They don't offer ram rated to run at higher than standard speeds. In my opinion, people have overated Crucial. It is true that they offer a high quality module, but that is about it. Overclocking is/was just a bonus for Crucial, they don't appear to be engineered or tested to do so. And the big thing that has turned me off to Crucial these days is that they can't even claim some of the lowest prices on ram these days. They were too slow to bring a 512MB module to the market, and they do not currently offer DDR ram rated higher than PC2100. That sucks especially now that there are soon to be three chipsets for AMD CPUs that support DDR333 and one chipset for Intel that has had DDR333 support. Crucial is great, but I have certainly swung away from them as being a solution for some decent overclocking now that we can start thinking 166Mhz fsb (plus agressive settings and a hefty amount of ram...



<< Anyone know of a site that has a review of the "three" brands together ? I have yet to find one review like this . >>



That would be the day when we get some decent roundups analyzing different brands. I've only seen one, but that was back in the day of the KT266 and the 760 chipsets, plus that hardware site went under. Go figure :disgust:
 
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bunnyfubbles

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doesn't 5ns = 200MHz which would = 400MHz DDR?

Pretty sure it is 6ns for DDR333...otherwise the Kingmax shouldn't have much trouble running @ 400MHz DDR...
 
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so u guys suggest that if I were to buy DDR 2700 I should stick to kingmax? Which store do u recommend I buy from?
 
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<< doesn't 5ns = 200MHz which would = 400MHz DDR?

Pretty sure it is 6ns for DDR333...otherwise the Kingmax shouldn't have much trouble running @ 400MHz DDR... >>



I don't know how the math works but Kingmax PC2700 is most definitely 5ns and not 6.
 
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kulki

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ummm one more quick question
on pricewatch the DDR2700 RAM goes for 70 while on newegg it goes for 93
It it worth spending 23 bucks more??
 
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kulki

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do u guys think I could get DDR 300 and OC it to run at DDR 333?
It seems that most DDR 300 can be OCed to run at 333 without any problems. I just wanted to confirm this.
 
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Hmm I wish someone would order from newegg to confirm newegg having the 5ns kingmax..... Not ALL kingmax 2700 is 5ns from what I hear and you have to be careful not to get the slower crap...

but if your lucky or get it from a website that says its 5ns *kommax.com cough * then you should be great
 
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<< Hmm I wish someone would order from newegg to confirm newegg having the 5ns kingmax..... Not ALL kingmax 2700 is 5ns from what I hear and you have to be careful not to get the slower crap...

but if your lucky or get it from a website that says its 5ns *kommax.com cough * then you should be great >>


I believe ThugsRook has them from new egg u could PM him asnd ask him about it
The real question that comes to my mind is: " is there a significant performance difference between real Kingsmax DDR33 and generic DDR 333" u know there is a significant difference in price though
 
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<< but if your lucky or get it from a website that says its 5ns *kommax.com cough * then you should be great >>



Speaking of which, has anyone ordered from Kommax before? It would be nice to get guaranteed 5ns Kingmax at a price comparable to Newegg's. Their rating at resellerratings.com is pretty mediocre though (4.5/7.0).
 
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<< but if your lucky or get it from a website that says its 5ns *kommax.com cough * then you should be great >>



Speaking of which, has anyone ordered from Kommax before? It would be nice to get guaranteed 5ns Kingmax at a price comparable to Newegg's. Their rating at resellerratings.com is pretty mediocre though (4.5/7.0). >>



well someone on hardforums ordered 2 sticks of the 5ns kingmax ... thats how I found out about them and he got them and they worked great and he even posted pictures
 
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<< well someone on hardforums ordered 2 sticks of the 5ns kingmax ... thats how I found out about them and he got them and they worked great and he even posted pictures >>



Ah, thanks. If I ever run into problems with my Crucial PC2100 I will definitely move to Kingmax PC2700.
 
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<< doesn't 5ns = 200MHz which would = 400MHz DDR?

Pretty sure it is 6ns for DDR333...otherwise the Kingmax shouldn't have much trouble running @ 400MHz DDR... >>



I don't know how the math works but Kingmax PC2700 is most definitely 5ns and not 6. >>




1/(5x10E-9) = 200Mhz
 
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