Better off dead than alive ?

[Geekbabe]

Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

LOL, what are they going to do if you kill yourself, prosecute you?

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

LOL, what are they going to do if you kill yourself, prosecute you?

if you fail at the attempt they will hospitalize you,you might also be facings criminal charges.

What about assisted suicide for the terminally illl ?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

LOL, what are they going to do if you kill yourself, prosecute you?

if you fail at the attempt they will hospitalize you,you might also be facings criminal charges.

Well anybody who failes to off themselves really weren't that serious about doing it in the first place. How hard is it to jump in front of a train or take a dive off a 10 story building?

 

[1EZduzit]

We should absoulutely have assitisted sucide for the terminally ill who are in great pain. That would be the only scenario where I would think it sould be allowed.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

LOL, what are they going to do if you kill yourself, prosecute you?

if you fail at the attempt they will hospitalize you,you might also be facings criminal charges.

Well anybody who failes to off themselves really weren't that serious about doing it in the first place. How hard is it to jump in front of a train or take a dive off a 10 story building?

Some folks prefer, kinder, gentler endings. Besides if by some freak event you try the above and don't succeed you will most likely end up in jail.Like folks who try to jump onto the T rails here in Boston only to get pulled back by some strong armed onlooker.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We should absoulutely have assitisted sucide for the terminally ill who are in great pain. That would be the only scenario where I would think it sould be allowed.

Unfortunately in many places that would probably render the ill person's life insurance not valid as well as resulting in crimal prosecution for the doctor,nurse or relative who assists you.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I've never heard of a 'Serial Suicide Killer', have you ?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

Are you going to get insurance companies to start paying out on life insurance policies? Suicide is typically a form of death which gets you nothing from your life insurance policy.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

Are you going to get insurance companies to start paying out on life insurance policies? Suicide is typically a form of death which gets you nothing from your life insurance policy.

You have to read the clauses on your insurance contracts,some will pay out if the policy has been in force long enough.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We should absoulutely have assitisted sucide for the terminally ill who are in great pain. That would be the only scenario where I would think it sould be allowed.

Unfortunately in many places that would probably render the ill person's life insurance not valid as well as resulting in crimal prosecution for the doctor,nurse or relative who assists you.

Not if it was legalized, which I think is your point?

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We should absoulutely have assitisted sucide for the terminally ill who are in great pain. That would be the only scenario where I would think it sould be allowed.

Unfortunately in many places that would probably render the ill person's life insurance not valid as well as resulting in crimal prosecution for the doctor,nurse or relative who assists you.

Not if it was legalized, which I think is your point?

I think the entire question is an interesting one, look at the opposition many have to using tax dollars to pay for mental health care.

Who is best suited to decide if your life is worth living or not ?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We should absoulutely have assitisted sucide for the terminally ill who are in great pain. That would be the only scenario where I would think it sould be allowed.

Unfortunately in many places that would probably render the ill person's life insurance not valid as well as resulting in crimal prosecution for the doctor,nurse or relative who assists you.

Not if it was legalized, which I think is your point?

I think the entire question is an interesting one, look at the opposition many have to using tax dollars to pay for mental health care.

Who is best suited to decide if your life is worth living or not ?

Just because it would be legalized doesn't mean the control would be out of your hands. you would need a will that states your wishes and a family member appointed to make the decision if you weren't able to do it yourself.

I don't think we should be offing mental patients though. that would be a dangerous precendant IMO.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We should absoulutely have assitisted sucide for the terminally ill who are in great pain. That would be the only scenario where I would think it sould be allowed.

Unfortunately in many places that would probably render the ill person's life insurance not valid as well as resulting in crimal prosecution for the doctor,nurse or relative who assists you.

Not if it was legalized, which I think is your point?

I think the entire question is an interesting one, look at the opposition many have to using tax dollars to pay for mental health care.

Who is best suited to decide if your life is worth living or not ?

Just because it would be legalized doesn't mean the control would be out of your hands. you would need a will that states your wishes and a family member appointed to make the decision if you weren't able to do it yourself.

I don't think we should be offing mental patients though. that would be a dangerous precendant IMO.

I'm not suggesting we "off" anybody, I am asking though,who's best suited to deciding if your life is worth living or not? should the state butt out of what is probably the ultimate in private matters?

 

[1EZduzit]

Hmmmm. I understand you question now. The state should make it legal, but up to the individual and only in extreme circumstances, such as unbearable pain. I think a good doctor would "help" someone along who needed it. They deal with death everyday, but the fear of prosecution stops many of them so make it legal, but only in the case fo extreme pain, a very expensive terminal illness and the person would rather his funds go to his heirs, or a long coma, which should then be decieded by someone appointed by the person in question.

 

[PatboyX]

well..assisted is a bit sticky. but decriminalizing suicide might be good from the perspective of it being dumb...but perhaps it forces people to be hospitalized when they may not have a social/family situation that can facilitate it otherwise?
but...there is much to consider there.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

LOL, what are they going to do if you kill yourself, prosecute you?

Attempted suicide is a crime that should carry the death penalty!

Actually, although many laws are on the books accross the US, I can't recall even one single time when anyone has ever been prosecuted for attempted suicide.

Assisted suicide is another thing. As a nation, we remain in denial about the questions surrounding death with dignity, because we remain in denial about death itself. We have so much power and wealth, we think we should be exempt from death. Guess again, chucko.

Just as like in the related arena of pro-life vs. pro-choice, the gap between the facts on the ground (crack babies, unwanted and unloved children, having to give birth to the baby your rapist lovingly bestowed you with) and our Puritan moral bluster is a yawning chasm of hypocrisy you could hide a whole PNAC agenda in.

In conclusion, I think we can all agree that as long as we protect the sanctity of the institution of divorce by denying marriage to our fellow, but gay, Americans, all will be well in the republic and nothing else really matters.

Sigh. It's enough to make you want to kill yourself.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

LOL, what are they going to do if you kill yourself, prosecute you?

Attempted suicide is a crime that should carry the death penalty!

Actually, although many laws are on the books accross the US, I can't recall even one single time when anyone has ever been prosecuted for attempted suicide.

Assisted suicide is another thing. As a nation, we remain in denial about the questions surrounding death with dignity, because we remain in denial about death itself. We have so much power and wealth, we think we should be exempt from death. Guess again, chucko.

Just as like in the related arena of pro-life vs. pro-choice, the gap between the facts on the ground (crack babies, unwanted and unloved children, having to give birth to the baby your rapist lovingly bestowed you with) and our Puritan moral bluster is a yawning chasm of hypocrisy you could hide a whole PNAC agenda in.

In conclusion, I think we can all agree that as long as we protect the sanctity of the institution of divorce by denying marriage to our fellow, but gay, Americans, all will be well in the republic and nothing else really matters.

Sigh. It's enough to make you want to kill yourself.

rotflmao !!!!


It seems funny to me that we as a society seek to intrude into the most private affairs of others by seeking to enact laws prohibiting things like abortion assisted suicide etc but we then feel free to walk away with zero responsibilty for providing supports for the unfortunates we've intruded upon.

 

[Czar]

Perknose brought up a good point, death in our society is vastly different than how it is for most other cultures, death is something that is looked upon with sadness and somethign that should be avoided at all costs.

 

[Stunt]

keep it illegal.

if you really want to kill yourself it's not that hard...like Red mentioned.
this is a non-issue for a someone who is considering.

the only reason i see it being illegal is for the state to show that it values your life...and that it isnt something that we as a nation support.
the likelyhood of this being used for prosecution is very low. It would just clog the system and most would plead insanity...so it is ultimately pointless.
Also if you are going to kill yourself, it may harm others (Building jumping example...could jump on others and scar ppl emotionally)
A nation should not support this behavior...ie. through legalization.

Assisted suicide is a tough matter. Many people are living today and are suffering insane pain with no ability to correct.
These people should have control of their lives.
Unfortunately the people i would consider eligible for this are usually not able to make a conscious choice.
Therefore it is a double edged sword.

I support the current state of affairs on this matter.

 

[Sassy]

In regards to the terminally ill, the patient reaches a point where he/she requires lethal dosages of medication/s to relive the pain. In the end, it?s generally these high dosages of medication/s that result in death. The physician is not held responsible because he/she is treating and relieving the pain and suffering, and thereby not directly assisting in the death of the client.

I don?t think terminally ill adults make any decisions in regards to ?how to die? during the final stage of illness. Though, I could be wrong. I only deal with terminally ill kids. I believe most adult decisions are made after being newly diagnosed. If there is a good physician and supportive family involved, which is the case more often than not, the patient does die with dignity.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: kissnup
In regards to the terminally ill, the patient reaches a point where he/she requires lethal dosages of medication/s to relive the pain. In the end, it?s generally these high dosages of medication/s that result in death. The physician is not held responsible because he/she is treating and relieving the pain and suffering, and thereby not directly assisting in the death of the client.

I don?t think terminally ill adults make any decisions in regards to ?how to die? during the final stage of illness. Though, I could be wrong. I only deal with terminally ill kids. I believe most adult decisions are made after being newly diagnosed. If there is a good physician and supportive family involved, which is the case more often than not, the patient does die with dignity.

That is a relief to hear.I've had the same physician for years and he is well aware of my feelings on this matter.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

You're not thinking about ending it all are you? We'd all miss you too much here. :heart:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Should suicide be made legal or at the least decriminalized ?

Conviental thought says that the suicidal are obviously so depressed that they are not thinking clearly and are thus not making rational choices when they decide to commit suicide.What about the terminally ill or those who's lives have been filled with so much tragedy and loss that it hurts just to read their history?

Do we own our lives,our bodies ? Should we have the right to decide when to end things?

LOL, what are they going to do if you kill yourself, prosecute you?

Throw that casket in jail!!

There are many stupid laws in this country, but the laws against suicide take the prize. And, like Perknose pointed out, it's because our society is so completely incapable of dealing with death.

 

[digitalsm]

Life insurance policies NEVER should pay out on cases of suicide.