"Better" laptops in future?

Apothem

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I'm thinking about getting a [new] laptop in the future, but I'm not sure "how long" I should wait to really do it. I know that new hardware comes out every quarter or so and do not want to get a laptop that has hardware that will be dwarfed by something that I could have waited maybe a year or so more for.

For example, I feel like if I get a laptop with a SSD, a good graphics card, and a good CPU (I believe i7 QM are the 'top' ones at the moment)... but I'm afraid that if I get such a thing 'now' a new laptop with marginally better hardware will be announced/released.

P.S. if anything I said was ignorant I am sorry I do not know much about hardware.
 

exdeath

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As long as it has SATA 6G, USB 3.0 ports, and a SSD, you can't go wrong.

CPUs and GPUs come and go, but low latency high bandwidth I/O is to die for.
 

Apothem

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What kind of CPU/GPU would be good for playing games on? I'm not talking about 'high end' things but things that are good enough to say that it is 'definitely better than low end'... but not so expensive. One thing I dislike about my laptop is that when I play a game on it or have processes which take up a lot of CPU or something, it gets really hot. I would like to avoid things like that.

Another thing I have also been considering is a laptop that I can 'write' on (like Lenovo's Thinkpads; I do not know if there are other brands that sell similar things, so if you know of any do tell). The problem I have with that is that I'm not sure how often I would even use such a mechanism.
 

God Mode

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Important to state a budget if you want laptop advice.

Many times I'm giving advice to friends that need this and that only to be told that they want to spend $500. If I give them a reality check I often hear "oh, but apple is only a few hundred more so I'll get that". Specs go out the window for the budget apple shopper.
 

jaydee

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The next advancement that most enthusiasts seem to be hoping for are better screens for under $1k PC laptops. No one knows if or when they are coming however.

Next-gen Intel mobile processor is coming in the next few months, but it won't be a significant advancement in either processing power or efficiency. The difference will be negligible the way the previews are projecting. It will have better GPU, but that's about it.
 

rabbitz

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What kind of CPU/GPU would be good for playing games on? I'm not talking about 'high end' things but things that are good enough to say that it is 'definitely better than low end'... but not so expensive. One thing I dislike about my laptop is that when I play a game on it or have processes which take up a lot of CPU or something, it gets really hot. I would like to avoid things like that.

Another thing I have also been considering is a laptop that I can 'write' on (like Lenovo's Thinkpads; I do not know if there are other brands that sell similar things, so if you know of any do tell). The problem I have with that is that I'm not sure how often I would even use such a mechanism.

I would assume any notebook with a touch screen is also one that you can 'write' on. A tablet form would make it easier to use (either purely tablet form, or one with a screen that can rotate/flip into a tablet form)

When buying any laptop, I would go for one with the cheapest ram/hard drive option and upgrade it yourself. Hard drives are one of the easiest components to swap out, and ram is 'easy' but doing it the first time can give you a bit of hesitation (you have to use a bit of force to 'snap' it in.... but make sure you are doing it right and don't break the ram itself =P). You can go to youtube and find a million how-to videos.

As for processor/gpu combo.... I hear amd llano laptops are good for budget low- to mid-range gaming. Never tried them myself though, but just keep in mind that the highest tier llano processor barely outperforms an intel i3 cpu-wise.

For the new ivy bridge processors coming out, they all come with intel hd4000 graphics which are supposed to be 2x better than hd3000 graphics and should be good for low end gaming (for games coming out in the future). Probably equal to a current gen mid-range nvidia card. If you need more graphics power, intel cpus are usually paired with nvidia gpus (I don't know much about amd gpus.... had one laptop with 6470m and the switching was a pain so I stick to nvidia for mobile graphics now). The gt YXXm models are for mid-range gaming uses, and gtx YXXm being high end where Y is the generation, and XX is the relative power between gpus of the same generation. If you're interested, do a bit more research into the specific models you are looking at because nvidia has some stupid naming conventions (e.g. gt555m has 3 different versions).

If you can wait, I would wait for an ivy bridge laptop. Power shouldn't increase by much, but battery life, heat and graphics should be greatly improved.

I haven't been following all the new laptops coming out but one that has really caught my eye is the lenovo ideapad yoga. It should come in around $1000+ with a 13'' 1600x900 capacitive touch screen, ivy bridge processor, ssd, 8 hourish battery life and a very interesting form factor. Google it for more info.
 

Apothem

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The highest I would probably go for is $1600. I'm not sure if that much is really needed for a good laptop (or if that is enough for a good laptop). I wouldn't mind waiting an extra year or so for such a 'good' laptop to drop price a bit.

Thanks rabbitz, that information will really help. Again, though, the one thing I'm worried about is if something even better was announced to be coming out in a few years that will 'dwarf' such features.

I've also heard that I can open my laptop... but I also heard that doing something wrong will royally mess it up. Plus my current Asus laptop seems to be unopenable; I tried to take out the screws and even after so it wouldn't open the bottom casing.
 

WackyDan

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Laptops are not evolving all that rapidly. AS mentioned.. IO is important.

Define your form factor and shop from there... ultra portable? screen size? budget? I'd rather buy in the middle of a product model life as the drivers and firmware are more mature from the factory and in regard to upgrading. You want to buy the latest and greatest and you will pay a premium for the newest model.
 

rabbitz

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The highest I would probably go for is $1600. I'm not sure if that much is really needed for a good laptop (or if that is enough for a good laptop). I wouldn't mind waiting an extra year or so for such a 'good' laptop to drop price a bit.

Thanks rabbitz, that information will really help. Again, though, the one thing I'm worried about is if something even better was announced to be coming out in a few years that will 'dwarf' such features.

I've also heard that I can open my laptop... but I also heard that doing something wrong will royally mess it up. Plus my current Asus laptop seems to be unopenable; I tried to take out the screws and even after so it wouldn't open the bottom casing.

1600 can actually get you a pretty high-specced laptop right now. As with all electronics, one guideline you should follow is that you should almost never buy anything unless you need it now or in the near future... if you are able to wait until the newer processors come out then why not? At that time, if the new processors aren't as great as you were expecting, you can then buy the 'old' hardware that you were considering at a lower price.

Anyway, there will always be something better coming out soon.. personally, I really think sandy bridge has finally achieved the sweet spot of allowing around 8 hours of battery life without huge sacrifices to performance (I hate netbooks with a passion) and while being quite affordable (you can get an i7 processor at around $800... while an i5 or even i3 is powerful enough for many people).

As for opening up your laptop, some models don't allow you to change out parts. They might do this by whitelisting certain parts, have the parts soldered on or even not allowing for the case to be opened. You should read your manual to see if you can open up your laptop or not... or just go to youtube and search for "how to replace ram in asus XYZ" or "how to swap hard drive in asus XYZ". Usually you'll find some videos... if not you can always google for the servicing manuals for your laptop model
 

McWatt

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The next advancement that most enthusiasts seem to be hoping for are better screens for under $1k PC laptops. No one knows if or when they are coming however.

I agree that the display is going to take a leap I think it will happen when Windows 8 is released. Suddenly laptops and tablets will be competing directly against each other, which will make it impossible to keep selling cheap TN panels, at least for the devices like Lenovo Yoga that span both form factors. I expect pixel density, viewing angle, contrast, and color reproduction to make a massive improvement in mainstream laptops in Q3 2012.
 
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there is always something better around the corner. pick your budget, decide when you need the comp (for me its usually when a game comes out that my rig cant keep up), then do your research and get the best you can for your money.
 

corkyg

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there is always something better around the corner. pick your budget, decide when you need the comp (for me its usually when a game comes out that my rig cant keep up), then do your research and get the best you can for your money.

This is also my position. Years ago, I gave my HP DV1000 to my grandkids and got a Lenovo T60. It was and still is, a good work machine. In 2010, I got a Lenovo T510, wider screen and faster than the T60. Aside from the speed difference, both can get the same amount of work done. I keep the T60 as a backup. Touchscreens? Yuck! I can't stand fingerprints on my screens, period. :)
 

KentState

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I'm in the same boat and really holding off until the next gen GPUs are being sold. We know a GTX680M should be coming soon as well as the AMD equivalents.
 

IGBT

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we need much better battery technology. batteries are still crap and grossly over priced.