Better for Gaming?

[skipsneeky2]

Op if your motherboard supported a x4 955 go that route.

i3-2100 is a waste as you need another motherboard bringing up your cost well above the msrp of a x4 955.

Starting over if you was to build a second rig intel no doubt....their dual core chips are raping amd quads amd is in a sorry state.

I am on the brink myself of either going x4 965/x6 1090t or i5 and i'm shocked intel hasn't started a monopoly as there's zero competition when a intel dual is raping a amd quad...

 

[GoStumpy]

i3-2100 is a waste as you need another motherboard bringing up your cost well above the msrp of a x4 955.

However, he will then have a board that can accept everything intel has to offer right now, right up to an i7-2700k!

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

even the 2100 i3 beats the 955 X4 in gaming. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-2120-2100_5.html#sect0

and that faster 2100 only uses about 30-35 watts while a 955 uses about 95 watts.

how does a cpu beat a other in gaming where the gpu matters? Unless you play at what 720p?

 

[GoStumpy]

What game is that? I hate benchmark comparisons that don't even have what game they're benchmarking! :hmm:

Just because it didn't help in *that* game...

 

[toyota]

how does a cpu beat a other in gaming where the gpu matters? Unless you play at what 720p?
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/shovenose/amdhigh.jpg
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/shovenose/intelhigh.jpg

did that look like 720 in my link? of course not. it was all high settings at 1680x1050 which is still a very common resolution. and do you buy a cpu that just barely meets your needs now or do you buy the one that is already faster overall, uses way less than half the power, has a better upgrade path and will handle future gpu upgrades better? but congratulations on finding a BF 3 benchmark which we all know is very gpu limited at 1920x1080 with anything usually beyond a fast dual core.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

What game is that? I hate benchmark comparisons that don't even have what game they're benchmarking! :hmm:

Just because it didn't help in *that* game...

Thats BF3 sorry

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

did that look like 720 in my link? of course not. it was all high settings at 1680x1050 which is still a very common resolution. and do you buy a cpu that just barely meets your needs now or do you buy the one that is already faster overall, uses less than half the power, and will handle future gpu upgrades better?

yes but they artificially create a bottleneck to get the results. In real life if you run a gpu at a resolution its intended, the cpu can fill the buffer quickly enough for the gpu. The cards have dma enabled schedulers as well so it doesnt have to bother the cpu to access the system ram.
In 1080p running the same gpu a Amd cpu and a Intel cpu will give me the same performance roughly. 1 or two frames difference maybe. I'm referring to single card not CF or sli.

 

[toyota]

yes but they artificially create a bottleneck to get the results. In real life if you run a gpu at a resolution its intended, the cpu can fill the buffer quickly enough for the gpu. The cards have dma enabled schedulers as well so it doesnt have to bother the cpu to access the system ram.
In 1080p running the same gpu a Amd cpu and a Intel cpu will give me the same performance roughly. 1 or two frames difference maybe. I'm referring to single card not CF or sli.

1680x1050 is not "artificial" for 10s of thousands of folks. so what about next year when you get an even faster gpu? well Sandy Bridge scales much better with more gpu power than the X4 so it will fall even farther behind. again when all factors are looked at the i3 2100 is the better cpu. only if you already have an AMD board does getting an X4 make any sense.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

1680x1050 is not "artificial" for 10s of thousands of folks. so what about next year when you get an even faster gpu? well Sandy Bridge scales much better with more gpu power than the X4. again when all factors are looked at the i3 2100 is the better cpu. only if you already have an AMD board does getting an X4 make any sense.

what about a small budget? x4 goes for 119usd. board for 55usd, ram for 32usd.
That cpu can keep up with any gpu. So ill blow the cash on the gpu because it will matter more in the end for gaming

Not artificial for lots of folks but what gpu did they run at that resolution?

 

[toyota]

what about a small budget? x4 goes for 119usd. board for 55usd, ram for 32usd.
That cpu can keep up with any gpu. So ill blow the cash on the gpu because it will matter more in the end for gaming

overall cost is hardly any more. also the X4 comes with a pretty noisy cooler that most people have to replace while the i3 stock cooler is just fine. the 955 is also going to use about 3 times the power of the efficient little i3. and again your 955 is already slower with gpus now so it will be even further behind when you upgrade again. and next year you could sell the 2100 and get an Ivy Bridge i3 cpu that will smoke the 955 even worse while using even less power than the current i3. sorry but at that price bracket I will take the i3 over the 955 any day.

 

[GoStumpy]

what about a small budget? x4 goes for 119usd. board for 55usd, ram for 32usd.
That cpu can keep up with any gpu. So ill blow the cash on the gpu because it will matter more in the end for gaming

Not artificial for lots of folks but what gpu did they run at that resolution?

i3-2100 for 130usd, board for 50usd, and same ram for 32usd... $5 more?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

overall cost is hardly any more. also the X4 comes with a pretty noisy cooler that most people have to replace while the i3 stock cooler is just fine. the 955 is also going to use about 3 times the power of the efficient little i3. and again your 955 is already slower with gpus now so it will be even further behind when you upgrade again. and next year you could sell the 2100 and get an Ivy Bridge i3 cpu that will smoke the 955 even worse while using even less power than the current i3. sorry but at that price bracket I will take the i3 over the 955 any day.

Will depend on your ambient. hyper going for 23usd anyways. Power consumption really not a point. Your psu size will be determined by your gpu. Don't think gamers worry about power consumption because I dont see a difference on my powerbill with some of y other older rigs on or off.

The fact is for 119usd you will get the same performance as a 2600k with the same gpu in 99 percent of the games. You can even do CF and sli with it. Wonder how the HT dual core do with dual gpu setups?

And its not slower with gpus now. Creating a bottleneck by running a powerful gpu below its intended resolution is now way to test a cpu for gaming. Can you tell me what gpu they used in that link?If you match your cpu with a gpu at a resolution it can handle or its intended for there will be no bottleneck.
Take a I3 and a x4 with a 560ti and run them at 1080p. Or even a 6870. Will you see that big fps difference that they show there?

 

[skipsneeky2]

i3-2100 for 130usd, board for 50usd, and same ram for 32usd... $5 more?

Should post some of your BF3 findings with your i3 2100 they are pretty spectacular for the budget build you did.

That little i3-2100 is amazing just wonder how it would hand ultra textures with a gtx570?

Wanna trade this gtx560 up for a gtx570 then jump on 28nm when it comes out if i go for a i5 2400 it would eat into my gpu budget to many choices LOL.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

i3-2100 for 130usd, board for 50usd, and same ram for 32usd... $5 more?

Once its overclocked to say 3.8-4.0GHz, it will have no problem being on par or outperforming the Core i3-2100 when it comes to gaming and easily outperform it when it comes to picture or video editing..

 

[toyota]

Once its overclocked to say 3.8-4.0GHz, it will have no problem being on par or outperforming the Core i3-2100 when it comes to gaming and easily outperform it when it comes to picture or video editing..

congratulations on using 200 watts more to beat the little i3. that will require a beefy cooler and way more beefy psu. so much for your earlier cost analyses.

 

[skipsneeky2]

congratulations on using 200 watts more to beat the little i3. that will require a beefy cooler and way more beefy psu. so much for your earlier cost analyses.

LOL grab a couple x4 systems oc them to 4ghzs and you got some space heaters..no escaping your common sense god your awesome dude :awe:

On a serious note your right amd as a cpu option is a waste .

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

congratulations on using 200 watts more to beat the little i3. that will require a beefy cooler and way more beefy psu. so much for your earlier cost analyses.

What beefier psu? If you got a let say Gtx 570 will you get a 550w psu regardless if its a X4 or a I3. Only thing that will increase that is getting a more power hungry gpu or adding one but the cpu wont require you to get a bigger one.

If you want more performance you can add another gpu. I mean at 1080p CPU starts to matter less and less, and where the GPU gets increasingly more important. The irony is always the same, bang for buck wise a cheapo CPU will get you the better deal. Hence for hefty gaming the graphics card is way more important then the processor.

 

[toyota]

What beefier psu? If you got a let say Gtx 570 will you get a 550w psu regardless if its a X4 or a I3. Only thing that will increase that is getting a more power hungry gpu or adding one but the cpu wont require you to get a bigger one.

If you want more performance you can add another gpu. I mean at 1080p CPU starts to matter less and less, and where the GPU gets increasingly more important. The irony is always the same, bang for buck wise a cheapo CPU will get you the better deal. Hence for hefty gaming the graphics card is way more important then the processor.

lol, so now that extra 200 watts is meaningless? you are hilarious and have no logic whatsoever. first your stand was that the X4 was cheaper when in reality its only a few bucks different. you then ignore the fact that it will consume about 200 watts more when oced to 3.8-4.0 to beat the i3. that will require a better psu and better cooler than what you need on the i3 setup. you are too blind to see that your setup is not the best bang for buck when all factors are considered. at least people like you keep AMD in business...

 

[BD231]

With the motherboard you've got you'd be a moron not to go with an x6 over an i3, some seriously bad advice in this thread. Quad or better cpu's don't run at full load gaming, but you can bet your ass that I3 will, so all that BS about power consumption is hog wash.

 

[toyota]

With the motherboard you've got you'd be a moron not to go with an x6 over an i3, some seriously bad advice in this thread. Quad or better cpu's don't run at full load gaming, but you can bet your ass that I3 will, so all that BS about power consumption is hog wash.

of course the OP should go with an X6. from scratch though I would go i3. and power consumption is not hogwash as the X4 and X6 can use ridiculous amount of power when getting to 4.0. it looks like 3.8 is not much of an issue though here.



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[jacktesterson]

Go with the X6


You will not be disappointed. Bad advice in this thread.

 

[AdamK47]

Go with the X6


You will not be disappointed. Bad advice in this thread.

Bad advice bolded.

 

[jacktesterson]

Bad advice bolded.

You can't be serious?

He already owns a AM3 Board. Drop a X6 1090T in that bad boy and go to town.

Ripping apart a PC, Wasting money on a new motherboard and a lower end Sandy bridge chip is Smarter investment to you? For what?


We get it, you have to have the best. (what is it, 980x and 3 580's?)... Wasting money!

 

[AdamK47]

You can't be serious?

He already owns a AM3 Board. Drop a X6 1090T in that bad boy and go to town.

Ripping apart a PC, Wasting money on a new motherboard and a lower end Sandy bridge chip is Smarter investment to you? For what?


We get it, you have to have the best. (what is it, 980x and 3 580's?)... Wasting money!

"Best" is subjective and so is any advice on these forums.

 

[lehtv]

Best is subjective only if you use subjective criteria. Performance vs cost calculations aren't subjective criteria.