Better Call Saul

[ALIVE]

well mike took 25k to sent tuco in prison for around 8 years
now the cartel has a meeting with him and wants to say some things so tuco will not do that much time in prison

so is this the turning point for mike???
he does all this to get money to provide for his sons family
and i imagine the 25k are already spent to change the house???

so if mike talks to police to have tuco come out earlier that means he has to give nacho back the 25k?? he is going to get 5k from the cartel

so easily mike can be facing 20k of missing money for him
i imagine at the end of the scene mike was thinking why i did not shoot tuco lol

i imagine the money problem will force mike to take next level jobs

 

[zinfamous]

Thirded. I could see this coming from miles away . . . the shallow, short attention span action junkies whining about the full range and depth that makes and has made this show and its predecessor great.

it's not the lack of action, but I think you get that.

The complaint is that there is too much of Saul fiddling around in corporate limbo and not enough of Saul being Saul, which was superb in the first season. I get this premise and all, but it does make things more boring.(reminds me of the excruciating series of episodes in BB when we had to deal with Hank and his rocks)

I still think it's great and find that there is plenty to like with each episode, but it's a bit agonizing on a 1 show/week basis of just watching him have to deal with corporate dillholerly. And yeah--without Mike (Saul and Mike are my two favorite characters from BB), this show wouldn't have much going for it this season. ...but the appearance of Salamanca, or whatever his name is, was great to see. Can't think of his name off the top of my head, but he's the same character actor from Kill Bill 1 and 2, I think? (played the sheriff in KB1 and Bill's "dad" in KB2)

If anything, I've become a slave to binge watching more than anything. Watch 3 of these episodes at once and I would likely have nothing to complain about. Either way, it's still a brilliant show. I can't think of anything else worth watching on the tele these days.

 

[zinfamous]

just because people are calling it slow doesn't mean they have problems with the pacing. in fact i think most people in this thread agree with you.

madmen was an extremely slow show it's entire run but it was great. so was boardwalk empire for the most part with action here and there.

slow show != not enjoyable

this guy gets it.

and Mad Men is still > BB!

 

[Rakehellion]

So why didn't Saul get put in doc review instead of receiving essentially no punishment for running that commercial?

 

[Rakehellion]

My theory is that she's a dirtbag who is taking advantage of Mike.

Kind of. But she cares about her daughter and so does Mike.

 

[Ichinisan]

So why didn't Saul get put in doc review instead of receiving essentially no punishment for running that commercial?

1. He worked for a different organization.
2. They brought him on specifically to handle client outreach. If he wasn't doing that, they have no reason to continue his employment.

 

[Rakehellion]

Except that she didn't want to even tell him about it.

No, she made up the whole story. She said "you weren't even here" when three guys with guns shot her house, yet unbeknownst to her Mike was waiting the in car across the street the entire night and nothing happened.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Thirded. I could see this coming from miles away . . . the shallow, short attention span action junkies whining about the full range and depth that makes and has made this show and its predecessor great.

And I could see that kind of defensiveness coming from two miles away. The people without faculties to keep threads straight when a lot of things are happening will wax rhapsodic about "range and depth" because they're too deeply in denial to admit that the story has completely stalled. They're not setting mood and establishing back story in these endless sojourns into the vast wasteland of Chuck scenes. They've covered that already and they're not adding anything new by doing it over and over. Putting more water in a stagnant pool might make it deeper, but it doesn't add depth in any meaningful way.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

So why didn't Saul get put in doc review instead of receiving essentially no punishment for running that commercial?

Because of his brother and the fact that it did work wonders. I think they needed someone to punish and made her the scapegoat.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

No, she made up the whole story. She said "you weren't even here" when three guys with guns shot her house, yet unbeknownst to her Mike was waiting the in car across the street the entire night and nothing happened.

Yeah, Mike knows she's full of shit and that she made that up. I think he's just going along to keep access to Kaylee, he doesn't want to call her on the lies and risk having Stacey shut him out. I also think he wants to stay closer because he knows Stacey is bat-crap crazy and he's worried about Kaylee growing up in that environment without his influence.

 

[Rakehellion]

well mike took 25k to sent tuco in prison for around 8 years
now the cartel has a meeting with him and wants to say some things so tuco will not do that much time in prison

so is this the turning point for mike???
he does all this to get money to provide for his sons family
and i imagine the 25k are already spent to change the house???

so if mike talks to police to have tuco come out earlier that means he has to give nacho back the 25k?? he is going to get 5k from the cartel

so easily mike can be facing 20k of missing money for him
i imagine at the end of the scene mike was thinking why i did not shoot tuco lol

i imagine the money problem will force mike to take next level jobs

We know Mike isn't going to take the gun charge, but how long does Tuco stay locked up?

 

[Exophase]

So why didn't Saul get put in doc review instead of receiving essentially no punishment for running that commercial?

Punishing high paid employees by making them do the menial work of lower paid employees instead of the stuff they were hired for is actually a pretty terrible strategy. I doubt an awful lot of places would do what Howard's doing. And I think he's only doing it because he wants Kim to be his 100% faithful and obedient lapdog for decades to come and is breaking down any inclination of disloyalty she'd ever have. Davis & Main would have no such investment in Jimmy and I'm sure they know he'd just quit anyway (while Howard knows Kim feels too indebted to them to ever quit)

 

[Exophase]

No, she made up the whole story. She said "you weren't even here" when three guys with guns shot her house, yet unbeknownst to her Mike was waiting the in car across the street the entire night and nothing happened.

Actually Mike did hear the "gunshots", they just ended up being the sound of newspapers being delivered. A few times in regular succession. Not hard to see how someone in her paranoid condition could mistake them for gunshots.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Actually Mike did hear the "gunshots", they just ended up being the sound of newspapers being delivered. A few times in regular succession. Not hard to see how someone in her paranoid condition could mistake them for gunshots.

Yes, but it wasn't just noise. Stacey didn't just claim to have heard gunshots, she pointed to physical evidence of bullets striking the house. Mike was outside and he knows that didn't happen. So he knows she had to have done the damage herself to prop up her story about it being unsafe.

 

[ALIVE]

We know Mike isn't going to take the gun charge, but how long does Tuco stay locked up?

well there is also to be explained how hector become in that state???

maybe mike took care of him???

the tuco - mike- hector- nacho is at a critical point now

maybe now is the time mike meets his later boss and he will protect mike from the cartel if mike works for him

as he did later for walter when the cartel wanted to kill him and he strike a deal to post pone his execution

so lets see how this story unfolds

but poor jimmy he wants to be the good guy and all the time is fucked especially form his jealous brother
if his brother was not so jealous of him he would have never become saul
and he was going to be a kick ass lawyer

 

[Rakehellion]

well there is also to be explained how hector become in that state???

He had a stroke. :\

 

[Rakehellion]

Actually Mike did hear the "gunshots", they just ended up being the sound of newspapers being delivered. A few times in regular succession. Not hard to see how someone in her paranoid condition could mistake them for gunshots.

She also said she saw three guys walking in her yard.

A newspaper does not sound like a gunshot. That scene was just to startle the audience watching.

 

[purbeast0]

Actually Mike did hear the "gunshots", they just ended up being the sound of newspapers being delivered. A few times in regular succession. Not hard to see how someone in her paranoid condition could mistake them for gunshots.

i don't think that was supposed to be the "gunshots" at all. it was just the car driving up made him suspicious. i really don't think they were trying to say that the newspaper hitting driveways is the sound that she thought was gunshots. she's just completely full of shit trying to take advantage of mike imo.

 

[CZroe]

No, she made up the whole story. She said "you weren't even here" when three guys with guns shot her house, yet unbeknownst to her Mike was waiting the in car across the street the entire night and nothing happened.

No. The first conversation. Mike had to pry it out of her. She didn't know Mike wasn't there and she has convinced herself that she heard something she didn't hear exactly like Chuck has convinced himself that he's sensitive to EM.

I know women just as delusional. For example, everywhere my sister goes she starts complaining about bedbugs or lead paint or mold for causing anything and everything that ails her. It the ultimate PMS BS because the psychosomatic symptoms continue all month long. Her headaches CAN'T just be headaches! They have to be caused by the walls! Her cramping and IBS can't just be indigestion! It's gotta be an allergy to mold! Her itching can't be mosquitoes or dry skin or dust or cat allergies! It HAS to be bedbugs! She always lets her imagination go crazy until she "can't stand to live in this place." She moves on to another and her mind comes up with another BS thing to torture the new landlords with.

 

[CZroe]

i don't think that was supposed to be the "gunshots" at all. it was just the car driving up made him suspicious. i really don't think they were trying to say that the newspaper hitting driveways is the sound that she thought was gunshots. she's just completely full of shit trying to take advantage of mike imo.

If she were trying to take advantage of Mike he wouldn't have had to pry it out of her the first time. Just like my sister, she hesitates to say anything at first for fear of people thinking she's crazy but after crossing that line she will experience a deluge of unrestrained confirmation bias until she is convinced of her original concern.

 

[CZroe]

Yes, but it wasn't just noise. Stacey didn't just claim to have heard gunshots, she pointed to physical evidence of bullets striking the house. Mike was outside and he knows that didn't happen. So he knows she had to have done the damage herself to prop up her story about it being unsafe.

OR she's simply delusional and COMPLETELY WRONG about what that notch is/means.

 

[purbeast0]

If she were trying to take advantage of Mike he wouldn't have had to pry it out of her the first time. Just like my sister, she hesitates to say anything at first for fear of people thinking she's crazy but after crossing that line she will experience a deluge of unrestrained confirmation bias until she is convinced of her original concern.

i think she is just playing a game with mike. once she saw that he had money to give her she started playing this game and taking advantage of him. mike didn't have to pry it out at all. all she had to do was make mike feel like he was prying it out of her, which i think is part of her plan.

 

[purbeast0]

OR she's simply delusional and COMPLETELY WRONG about what that notch is/means.

imo they were clearly not trying to intend that the paper hitting the ground was a gunshot. they were trying to make that scene tense with an unknown car pulling up around the house, which put mike (and the audience) on watch. then he saw it was delivering paper and that was it. it was nothing.

go drop a newspaper on the ground outside lol. pretty sure no one in your house will hear it. maybe just a little love tap. it will be NOTHING like a gun shot. and if i recall correctly, she did the sound of the gun shots, like 3 in a row, and that is it. newspapers don't get tossed like that. plus if she heard 3 newspapers hitting different houses, they wouldn't have been the same audible level.

i think you're looking into the newspaper being thrown more than they intended.

 

[CZroe]

i think she is just playing a game with mike. once she saw that he had money to give her she started playing this game and taking advantage of him. mike didn't have to pry it out at all. all she had to do was make mike feel like he was prying it out of her, which i think is part of her plan.

Mike didn't have the money though. That would be a terribly wrong assumption on her part. Not having the money is presumably why he's stepping up to "next level work for next level pay." Regardless of her intentions, he's not "fooled," so we have to wait and see what's really going on here.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

OR she's simply delusional and COMPLETELY WRONG about what that notch is/means.

I'd be willing to bet that if that point is ever settled definitively it will her handiwork rather than misinterpreting a notch that was already there. But either way, whether it's her intentionally fabricating evidence or whether it's her paranoia Mike is 100% sure that it's not what she says it is. He's choosing to play along rather than make an issue of it, so I have a feeling that it's going to come up again as she is bound to get more insane as things progress.