Better Call Saul

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Remobz

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BoberFett said:
Saul will never be able to be very successful following the events of BB. He was a very public figure back in Albuquerque with billboards and commercials and his face everywhere. If he became a bigshot elsewhere, even Nebraska, somebody would recognize him and he'd be tied back to Walter somehow. At the end of BB, everybody was bailing on anything connected to Walter: Mike, Saul, Jesse, everybody.

No, Saul will be managing a Cinnabon for life.
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Why can't he go to a Country without extradition?

Why is he stuck in the USA forever?

Go to Canada? Mexico? Europe?

Some exotic Island where not too many questions will be asked maybe?
 
GagHalfrunt

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BoberFett said:
No, it took several seasons to turn Walt into Heisenberg. Putting a hat on didn't make him Heisenberg. Going nuclear in season 5 turned him into Heisenberg.

But that's just my take on it.
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Walt walks into the office of a known violent psycho unarmed and alone. He's outnumbered and surrounded by thugs, guards, killers and criminals. He not only stares down the killer, he blows up the guys office and rather than being killed he walks out with a big bag of money while the big tough criminals clear a wide path for him. He might have walked into that office as a guy in a hat, but he walked out as 100% Heisenberg. That was a gigantic "Eureka!!" moment, perhaps one of the top 2 or 3 important events in the entire series. While he got darker and more evil as the series progressed that moment was when Walt truly became Heisenberg. He beat the bad guy and he LOVED the rush. It was all downhill from there.
 
Perknose

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CZroe said:
In Breaking Bad, Saul sure seemed to actually be soliciting those deadbeat cases that wouldn't be worth his time if the strip mall and commercials were just for appearances to hide his success. The fact that he had helped Jessie before he went big with Walt speaks volumes.
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He also had to show some level of income and case paperwork to the IRS and any other local authority that might come nosing around to cover his other big ticket, cash only clients. At least that's my surmise.
 
Perknose

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GagHalfrunt said:
Breaking Bad was a whole different level. That show managed to morph Walt into Heisenberg in one 20th the time that BCS is using to morph Jimmy into Saul.
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It didn't manage to, it had to in order to cater to and hook the ADD/fast cut/car chase generation of viewers. That it also existed on a whole other level is what made it great, NOT it's bang-bang pace alone.

So do you want nothing but subtlety or do you want subtlety mixed with everything else?
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False dichotomy. BCS has, and will have, more than enough of both.

I know that BB was too complicated for some people. They were not able to appreciate the subtlety of the more quiet moments amid the chaos and they need the slower pacing where only one important thing happens per episode to be able to fully grasp the significance of what's happening.
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I think you are completely discounting the power of depth through what you call "slower pacing." I don't think it was for the weak minded at all, which seems to be your thesis.

As in great music and ALL great literature, interspersing the quiet with the loud, "slow paced" and relatively subtle character development with fast paced, plot furthering bang bang, is what makes the final product as great as it is. In music, it's called dynamic range.

But for the people who were capable of picking out the significance of the subtle moments, BB had layers that BCS is not close to matching yet.
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Here, we shall simply have to agree to disagree.
 
CZroe

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BoberFett said:
Todd and his uncle were the kind of evil you can see coming. You know what to expect. Lydia? Meh, she was just greedy and stupid. Gus had rules. If you broke them you died, but he had a code that he lived by which it could be argued was "fair".

Walt was conniving, greeting you with one hand, and holding a knife with the other. Until the finale, he only saved Jesse because it suited his purpose at the time.
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Dunno about that. When I was re-watching the series it was clear to me that he planned to kill Walt even before he agreed to the second production schedule.
 
CZroe

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Perknose said:
He also had to show some level of income and case paperwork to the IRS and any other local authority that might come nosing around to cover his other big ticket, cash only clients. At least that's my surmise.
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Considering he was the go-to guy to arrange front business operations with other contacts, I figured he'd own a front operation or two. To cover that.
 
Perknose

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CZroe said:
Considering he was the go-to guy to arrange front business operations with other contacts, I figured he'd own a front operation or two. To cover that.
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Front operations would be for laundering the huge sums from his prime clients, yes, but he still had to separately show income, paperwork and traffic for his law practice. Hence his small scale clientele.
 
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BoberFett said:
Todd and his uncle were the kind of evil you can see coming. You know what to expect. Lydia? Meh, she was just greedy and stupid. Gus had rules. If you broke them you died, but he had a code that he lived by which it could be argued was "fair".
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Lydia wasn't just greedy and stupid, she was outright offended when Mike, Walt, and Jesse said they wouldn't kill an innocent train conductor.

And I dunno, slicing Victor's throat with a box cutter didn't seem that fair or to much of a code, more he was really pissed off and had to kill someone. I mean yeah he failed as a henchman but that was still too much.

BoberFett said:
Walt was conniving, greeting you with one hand, and holding a knife with the other. Until the finale, he only saved Jesse because it suited his purpose at the time.
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Walt killed two of Gus's dealers to save Jesse's life, which he knew would get him into serious trouble with Gus (and it did). There was no benefit whatsoever in doing this except to save Jesse. And Jesse was too stupid to see that.
 
Rakehellion

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CZroe said:
In Breaking Bad, Saul sure seemed to actually be soliciting those deadbeat cases that wouldn't be worth his time if the strip mall and commercials were just for appearances to hide his success. The fact that he had helped Jessie before he went big with Walt speaks volumes.
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He wouldn't even accept the bribe from Walter. Until they dragged him out to the desert.
 
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Remobz said:
Why can't he go to a Country without extradition?

Why is he stuck in the USA forever?

Go to Canada? Mexico? Europe?

Some exotic Island where not too many questions will be asked maybe?
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Don't those places extradite? I'm pretty sure he just wants a modest lifestyle, hence the whole disappearing act in the first place.
 
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What a little b*tch of brother that guy is.

The show has done a great job portraying Saul as a sincere & genuine guy underneath the hustling nature.
 
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Season Finale tonight... I'm wondering if we see exactly what Chuck told Hamlin, and Hamlin's response. Hamlin may still be a douche, but he doesn't exactly seem to be the "pig f***er" that Jimmy labeled him.
 
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TechBoyJK

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Wingznut said:
Season Finale tonight... I'm wondering if we see exactly what Chuck told Hamlin, and Hamlin's response. Hamlin may still be a douche, but he doesn't exactly seem to be the "pig f***er" that Jimmy labeled him.
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I think partially the reason Hamlin looks so bad to Jimmy is because he can't comprehend why Hamlin is such an ass to him in the first place; but if Hamlin's doing it at Chuck's direction, that might be why it's just a bad dynamic. Hamlin doesn't necessarily hate Jimmy as much as he has to act like he does.
 
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Wingznut

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WaTaGuMp said:
What are peoples guesses on which season Jimmy becomes Saul?
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Like Walter to Heisenberg, it's bound to be a gradual transition. Even with Walter, it's subjective when you think the transition completed.

But I think the path is now open to him, with the realized betrayal of Chuck.
 
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I'm staying away from this thread!!!! I'm not watching the series until it comes to Netflix, tomorrow! heh
 
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