Beta Project - 12 minute of Dystopian NYC

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Indus

Lifer
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People don't feel safe because of right-wing maga level propaganda like you are dispensing here. You're helping to to disinform people by pushing total feels over facts. You are carrying the right-wing narrative of false information perfectly.

I'm in an Uber going to a party or I post some statistics, but I will later. You need to start to own up to what you're doing. You are not MAGA, but when it comes to this safety stuff your propaganda is lockstep with them. You need to figure it out.

Fine you don't wanna talk MAGA viewpoints.. okay..

But you can at least be willing to do 2 things:

1. Put up subway barriers like this here

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2. Make it harder for fare evaders to get in

Look at this again.. he jumps the turnstile and then pushes him like he was doing a side quest bonus!

 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Fine you don't wanna talk MAGA viewpoints.. okay..

But you can at least be willing to do 2 things:

1. Put up subway barriers like this here

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2. Make it harder for fare evaders to get in

Look at this again.. he jumps the turnstile and then pushes him like he was doing a side quest bonus!

I don't want to talk MAGA viewpoints? No, you still don't get it. I am calling out MAGA propaganda and misleading out of context misinformation, which you are spouting, and you refuse to acknowledge it or take any accountability and correct yourself.

There are 1.33 fatalities for every 100 million miles driven. An average drive is 12 miles, so 100 million miles is 8.3 million ridees. So that would be 120 deaths per billion rides. And not to mention, way way way more horrific and serious injuries. This year there have been 11 homicides in the NYC subway, and over a billion rides. So 11 per billion or 120 per billion (plus an absolute shit ton more car injuries) - what is safer Indus? But yet your right wing propaganda makes it sound like the NYC subway is a murder zone and a terribly unsafe transportation mode. The facts are the NYC subway is much safer than driving, but not if we listened to the way you and MAGA frame it, you present it as the opposite.

From Google:In the United States, the death rate per 100 million miles driven in 2022 was 1.33. This means that for every 100 million miles driven, 1.33 people died in a motor vehicle crash. also:
The average length of a trip in miles in 2022 was 12.2 miles (Table 8), statistically unchanged from the average length of a trip in 2021 (12.7 miles) and 2020 (11.9 miles).

as far as barriers on subway platforms, I mean of course I am for that and so are tons of new yorkers. They do it in multiple other countries, and we want it here too. That still doesn't change that your messaging is false, misleading, and in lockstep with MAGA propaganda on this subject.
 

MrSquished

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You don't even need a right wing narrative to find what happened disgusting..

Stop deflecting and start fixing by repealing no cash bail.
Well if you want to be willfully ignorant like Maga that's your call. It's kind of sad but at this point who gives a shit. A bunch of people have been calling out for your bullshit on these subjects, but you don't care about facts, just maga feels. You just dismiss them. At this point from your statements all we can deduce is that you are happy being dishonest, regardless of the facts pointed out to you.

Just a waste of time. Responding to you with any thought at this point is like doing that with Green Man. That's why I don't bother with him.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Well if you want to be willfully ignorant like Maga that's your call. It's kind of sad but at this point who gives a shit. A bunch of people have been calling out for your bullshit on these subjects, but you don't care about facts, just maga feels. You just dismiss them. At this point from your statements all we can deduce is that you are happy being dishonest, regardless of the facts pointed out to you.

Just a waste of time. Responding to you with any thought at this point is like doing that with Green Man. That's why I don't bother with him.

Oh you want to argue facts.. ok how about this one..

Fact: you'll keep on losing elections till you get the people with the "feelz" on your side!

Gone are the days you could trust facts as facts when the media wasn't bought and paid for.

Gone are the days you could trust health care officials.

Gone are the days you could trust the President of the United States.

It's a "feelz" world we're living in where tik tok matters more than your blue bar graphs about crime!

How's that for arguing facts?



The saddest part is YOU KNOW I'm right about this!

Who survives?? The ones who won't adapt like you or the ones who are adaptable?

Squishy.. don't take this personally.. I know it sucks for you but in this world.. you've gotta change your default programming.. because the facts based programming isn't getting anywhere. In fact it turns people off. Even Felix is sick of it.. because even he voted for Kamala.. he wants a world where he can argue facts instead of feels.
 
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Fine you don't wanna talk MAGA viewpoints.. okay..

But you can at least be willing to do 2 things:

1. Put up subway barriers like this here

View attachment 114072

2. Make it harder for fare evaders to get in

Look at this again.. he jumps the turnstile and then pushes him like he was doing a side quest bonus!

Until the MTA can get its construction costs under control, those barriers are sadly a nonstarter.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Oh you want to argue facts.. ok how about this one..

Fact: you'll keep on losing elections till you get the people with the "feelz" on your side!

Gone are the days you could trust facts as facts when the media wasn't bought and paid for.

Gone are the days you could trust health care officials.

Gone are the days you could trust the President of the United States.

It's a "feelz" world we're living in where tik tok matters more than your blue bar graphs about crime!

How's that for arguing facts?



The saddest part is YOU KNOW I'm right about this!

Who survives?? The ones who won't adapt like you or the ones who are adaptable?

Squishy.. don't take this personally.. I know it sucks for you but in this world.. you've gotta change your default programming.. because the facts based programming isn't getting anywhere. In fact it turns people off. Even Felix is sick of it.. because even he voted for Kamala.. he wants a world where he can argue facts instead of feels.
except where did I say we don't have to address people's feelings on this issue? absolutely nowhere. I've just been trying to get you to accept truth and reality and all you do is show you don't care about reality and truth since that is one big part of the overall issue - misinformation. and that's been impossible as you prefer to imitate MAGA instead.
 
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Indus

Lifer
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Interesting way of Karma..

Definitely not what I expected.. I hope the victims get their restitution..

That's a really shitty way to lose your paycheck.. if you are making money off DoorDash.. you're already struggling!

 

Indus

Lifer
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except where did I say we don't have to address people's feelings on this issue? absolutely nowhere. I've just been trying to get you to accept truth and reality and all you do is show you don't care about reality and truth since that is one big part of the overall issue - misinformation. and that's been impossible as you prefer to imitate MAGA instead.

Sadly I think we liberals need to accept truth and reality that we're too fucking out there with the no bail laws that create repeat crime offenders and shit like this happens:


That's how we risk our neighbors and the country going Trump and MAGA because they make them FEEL SAFER vs criminals. And then cue the MAGA twitter feed and people going with feels..

I'd like to see a dem bragging about a million criminals he locked up so we feel safer.. last one was Bill Clinton!

 
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Amol S.

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See it a lot these days too. Tons of teens on their own in the city. All they need is subway fare. They go do lots of things independently. They are exposed to insane amounts of diversity and culture and pick up street smarts really fast. People are talking about dystopian NYC, which as you can see from my video, does not exist. I will ride through BK and Queens too and take video on food tours, it's not just downtown Manhattan. Teens are allowed to be independent by their parents - and I am talking from all classes, races and backgrounds. You could easily see a middle or lower class kid roaming around as well as the kids of wealthy upper east or upper west siders. This is the true anarchy of the mean streets of the city.
But then again.... there was the Union Square Riot when a bunch of unsupervised teens gathered together.
 

Amol S.

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Fine you don't wanna talk MAGA viewpoints.. okay..

But you can at least be willing to do 2 things:

1. Put up subway barriers like this here

View attachment 114072

2. Make it harder for fare evaders to get in

Look at this again.. he jumps the turnstile and then pushes him like he was doing a side quest bonus!

Those platform doors are going to breakdown very quickly.... in NYC people just hold the doors open for the next person. The pictured system would even fail, their are a lot of people who would stick their arm into the door, and at the same time try to edge their way over the barrier. NYC platform barriers would need to be almost the hight of the train it door itself even.
As for the second one, there are idiots who think the Emergency Exit door is the exit, and when they open that door there is a fare evader probably waiting on the other side.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Those platform doors are going to breakdown very quickly.... in NYC people just hold the doors open for the next person. The pictured system would even fail, their are a lot of people who would stick their arm into the door, and at the same time try to edge their way over the barrier. NYC platform barriers would need to be almost the hight of the train it door itself even.
As for the second one, there are idiots who think the Emergency Exit door is the exit, and when they open that door there is a fare evader probably waiting on the other side.

Are you basically admitting NYC is a zoo?
 

Zorba

Lifer
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Zorba

Lifer
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Oh you want to argue facts.. ok how about this one..

Fact: you'll keep on losing elections till you get the people with the "feelz" on your side!

Gone are the days you could trust facts as facts when the media wasn't bought and paid for.

Gone are the days you could trust health care officials.

Gone are the days you could trust the President of the United States.

It's a "feelz" world we're living in where tik tok matters more than your blue bar graphs about crime!

How's that for arguing facts?



The saddest part is YOU KNOW I'm right about this!

Who survives?? The ones who won't adapt like you or the ones who are adaptable?

Squishy.. don't take this personally.. I know it sucks for you but in this world.. you've gotta change your default programming.. because the facts based programming isn't getting anywhere. In fact it turns people off. Even Felix is sick of it.. because even he voted for Kamala.. he wants a world where he can argue facts instead of feels.
And in that world it is impossible to have good governance, so we get people like Trump and Desantus that do nothing but sling mud, but it makes low information people feel better so that is what they vote for. No one wants to pay taxes, but they all want Captain America any time anything goes wrong.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Those platform doors are going to breakdown very quickly.... in NYC people just hold the doors open for the next person. The pictured system would even fail, their are a lot of people who would stick their arm into the door, and at the same time try to edge their way over the barrier. NYC platform barriers would need to be almost the hight of the train it door itself even.
As for the second one, there are idiots who think the Emergency Exit door is the exit, and when they open that door there is a fare evader probably waiting on the other side.
This is what every subway I saw in Korea looked like. Of course, Koreans actually take care of their collective property, unlike Americans.

 
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K1052

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congestion pricing for the privilege of driving in NYC has been a hit?

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MTA also reported bus travel times are down. Some routes substantially. Ridership bumps seen on subway and commuter rail as well.

CP is successful policy.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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MTA also reported bus travel times are down. Some routes substantially. Ridership bumps seen on subway and commuter rail as well.

CP is successful policy.
My wife was reading an article on NYT that had a bunch of business owners complaining, and it all basically was "congestion pricing works, but I don't like that it works against me too."

Hopefully the effects are sticky. I know a lot of toll roads have a dip when they start charging or raise prices, but usually recover.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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My wife was reading an article on NYT that had a bunch of business owners complaining, and it all basically was "congestion pricing works, but I don't like that it works against me too."

Hopefully the effects are sticky. I know a lot of toll roads have a dip when they start charging or raise prices, but usually recover.
They'll have to up the price then.

Governor Murphy of New Jersey was a fucking idiot. Instead of working with the City he just fought it. What he left on the table was 100 million a year for the New Jersey Transit budget, and that was a starting point, probably could have negotiated for more. But instead just fought it, like a dumbass regressive would.

The total NJ Transit budget is just over 2 billion a year. If he could have gotten $200 million a year that's nearly 10% of the operating budget worth of an increase.

I mean I see the problem people are generally fucking stupid and all they see is toll and they don't care about anything else. They have no vision, no interest in anything deeper than the most knee-jerk reaction. We have created one of the dumbest societies in the advanced first world nations.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Scum of the earth have time to commit murder but not pay rent for 2 years.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Oh god. We got crime blotter MAGA Indus trying to prove to us that NYC is a dystopian hellhole just like MAGA says.

Don't leave your house Indus! Or better yet, move the hell away. We need housing units in the city for people who actually live in reality.
 
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